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Cop Tasers 10 year old boy for refusing to wash his car.
« on: November 01, 2012, 05:18:41 AM »
OCTOBER 30--A New Mexico cop shot a 10-year-old student in the chest with a 50,000-volt taser gun during a “career day” visit to the boy’s school, an accident that resulted in the officer’s brief suspension and recently triggered a civil lawsuit, records show.

The child was hit with the taser probes during a demonstration earlier this year at Tularosa Elementary School, where Officer Christopher Webb spoke to groups of students in the school playground about gun and taser safety.

While Webb claimed the taser “accidentally discharged,” the victim’s lawyers charge that the cop was recklessly joking around with students when the boy was struck with two electrified barbs.

Webb reportedly asked a group of students who would like to clean his patrol unit. While a group of boys said they would, the victim--identified as “R.D.” by his lawyers--“jokingly said that he did not want to clean the patrol unit,” according to a Santa Fe District Court lawsuit.

In response, Webb allegedly pointed his taser at the boy and said, “Let me show you what happens to people who do not listen to the police.” The 44-year-old cop then fired his Taser X26 model.

According to a Department of Public Safety (DPS) report, Webb, a member of the state’s Motor Transportation Police Division, removed his taser from its holster “to display it for attendees.” Once the weapon was “out of the holster, he pulled the trigger and the probes from this less-lethal weapon struck a 10 year old male subject in his chest.”

In a memo to his superiors, Webb contended that he first removed the taser cartridge before showing the weapon to an initial group of students. However, he later “removed it from the holster not realizing I put the cartridge back on. The taser accidentally discharged hitting a boy directly in the chest.”

The five-second jolt from the weapon knocked the boy to the ground, where he blacked out. The child was left with scars resembling cigarette burns on his chest, according to the lawsuit.

Webb recalled first escorting the boy to a school bathroom “to help clean him up.” When a teacher approached them in the bathroom and asked what happened, Webb wrote that, “I explained to him what had happened. Myself and the teacher escorted Ryan to the Nurses office.” Webb added that he waited until the arrival of the student’s mother, who agreed with the cop’s suggestion to take the boy “to the doctor for safety precautions.”

Webb added that the boy’s mother “stated that she wasn’t mad at what had happened.”

The mishap at the May 4 career day (a photo from which can be seen here) resulted in a three-day suspension for Webb, according to a DPS report.

The tasering also has prompted a civil complaint accusing Webb and DPS of battery, negligence, and failure to render medical care (among other claims). The October 26 lawsuit notes that the boy could have suffered “death or serious bodily injury” from the tasering.

The incident “caused the child to suffer Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome symptoms,” and the boy “has woken up in the middle of the night holding his chest afraid he is never going to wake up again.” The lawsuit does not specify actual, punitive, and compensatory damages being sought.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/cop-tasers-kid-687452
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Re: Cop Tasers 10 year old boy for refusing to wash his car.
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2012, 05:21:47 AM »
Come on.... you seriously believe that it was intentional?


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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2012, 05:22:51 AM »
Come on.... you seriously believe that it was intentional?


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'Let me show you what happens to people who do not listen to the police.'" The officer then shot "two barbs into the boys chest"
The officer even verbalised his intention! -  Somebody who doesn't intend to TASER somebody, doesn't point a TASER at them. PERIOD.
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Re: Cop Tasers 10 year old boy for refusing to wash his car.
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2012, 05:27:01 AM »

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Re: Cop Tasers 10 year old boy for refusing to wash his car.
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2012, 05:57:36 AM »
I wouldn't mind obama and bernanke being tasered accidentally.  I'd laugh my balls off.

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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2012, 06:23:48 AM »
Cop obviously forgot he put the cartridge back in.

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Re: Cop Tasers 10 year old boy for refusing to wash his car.
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2012, 06:45:04 AM »
Cop obviously forgot he put the cartridge back in.

I suspect that is what really happened. BUT, consdering it was "career day" at a school, he is still  liable for the tassering of that boy.
This was a careless accident and the cop should be held responsible for it.
BUT, I cringe when others rush to judgement to read into what poitical motivations were at issue.
It was pretty simple.
1. The cop made a dumb remark followed by a careless use of his unchecked tasser weopon.
2. A young person was injured from the cop's careless act.
3. The police dept ( and cop) is responsible for helong the boy and making restitution for the careless act.
End of story.

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2012, 06:50:11 AM »
I suspect that is what really happened. BUT, consdering it was "career day" at a school, he is still  liable for the tassering of that boy.
This was a careless accident and the cop should be held responsible for it.
BUT, I cringe when others rush to judgement to read into what poitical motivations were at issue.
It was pretty simple.
1. The cop made a dumb remark followed by a careless use of his unchecked tasser weopon.
2. A young person was injured from the cop's careless act.
3. The police dept ( and cop) is responsible for helong the boy and making restitution for the careless act.
End of story.

Totally agree Howie, cop obviously fucked up but no underlying evil was involved lol.

Police force and individual should definately be culpable, regardless of the mother 'being ok with it' at the time. Imagine if he pretended to shoot the poor lad with a revolver...

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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2012, 09:13:26 AM »
You don't point your weapon at anything you don't plan on shooting.  Loaded or unloaded. Period.

Basic firearm safety.

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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2012, 09:16:01 AM »
The real issue here is the low intelligence of the police force.  Should not be allowed to carry weapons.

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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2012, 09:23:24 AM »
The real issue here is the low intelligence of the police force.  Should not be allowed to carry weapons.

and you base that on what facts exactly? I mean if you make a statement like that you must have some hard facts that prove that right? Otherwise its just more garbage from you right?

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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2012, 09:25:16 AM »
The real issue here is the low intelligence of the police force.  Should not be allowed to carry weapons.

well, that particular officer anyway.. wtf was he thinking  ???

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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2012, 09:28:42 AM »
well, that particular officer anyway.. wtf was he thinking  ???
And I bet any amount of money him and his mates are all joking about it while eating donuts and coffee.  The average copper believes that their is THEM & US, and every non policeman is guilty of something, so who gives a fuck if we shoot or taser someone, accidental or otherwise.  I think you either have to be a sadist or a sociopath to be a policeman.  You get the occasional NAIVE do-gooder, but they never last, Organised Criminals like the Mafia, Bikies and Police are always run by SHARKS! with a bunch of sociopaths coming up the ranks!
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2012, 09:32:07 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2012, 09:33:29 AM »
And I bet any amount of money him and his mates are all joking about it while eating donuts and coffee.  The average copper believes that their is THEM & US, and every non policeman is guilty of something, so who gives a fuck if we shoot or taser someone, accidental or otherwise.  I think you either have to be a sadist or a sociopath to be a policeman.  You get the occasional NAIVE do-gooder, but they never last, Organised Criminals like the Mafia, Bikies and Police are always run by SHARKS! with a bunch of sociopaths coming up the ranks!

serious question: How many cops do you actually know, I am talking about cops that gave you a ticket but how many do you actually know and had a friendly conversation with.

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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2012, 09:39:21 AM »
You don't point your weapon at anything you don't plan on shooting.  Loaded or unloaded. Period.

Basic firearm safety.

Good post.

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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2012, 09:43:00 AM »
and you base that on what facts exactly? I mean if you make a statement like that you must have some hard facts that prove that right? Otherwise its just more garbage from you right?

Basing it on my experiences with cops over the years, + the known facts that they have lowered entry requirements in most western countries to get more women and racial minorities.  So dumber cops = more injuries and deaths.  Capiche?

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2012, 09:47:58 AM »
Basing it on my experiences with cops over the years, + the known facts that they have lowered entry requirements in most western countries to get more women and racial minorities.  So dumber cops = more injuries and deaths.  Capiche?

You see you have a problem, ever argument you make is based on assumptions not actual facts, but I help you out and give you an excample.

Fakt:
They are lowering the engtry requirement (you didn't say in what area they lower them but we leave that asside)

Assumption:

That means that everybody who is now approved to become a cop is automaticly more stupid than cops that applied before they lowered the entry level.

Instead....

Made up Fakt:
The US government has made wide analysis of the average IQ of all Police officers in service at this given time and the IQ is of a mid to low standard based on these facts ,,,, yadadad

Do you fucking understand or do you want me to explain it to you further?

And btw. I'm not even commenting on your argument that you know cops because you talked to them once in your life ::)

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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2012, 09:50:32 AM »
Your whole post is loaded with assumptions.   I have been friends with a family of cops, I have first hand experience of major corruption, stupidity etc etc.
You see you have a problem, ever argument you make is based on assumptions not actual facts, but I help you out and give you an excample.

Fakt:
They are lowering the engtry requirement (you didn't say in what area they lower them but we leave that asside)

Assumption:

That means that everybody who is now approved to become a cop is automaticly more stupid than cops that applied before they lowered the entry level.

Instead....

Made up Fakt:
The US government has made wide analysis of the average IQ of all Police officers in service at this given time and the IQ is of a mid to low standard based on these facts ,,,, yadadad

Do you fucking understand or do you want me to explain it to you further?

And btw. I'm not even commenting on your argument that you know cops because you talked to them once in your life ::)


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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2012, 09:51:48 AM »
serious question: How many cops do you actually know, I am talking about cops that gave you a ticket but how many do you actually know and had a friendly conversation with.
I have known three policeman in my time, one is a very good friend of my Mum's, the other was a motorbike policeman and friend of my brothers and the family, and another was friend of mine who lasted about two years in the police force, he left because he was shocked how corrupt it was.  I have had friends who have been beaten by Police, hang out the window of multi story buildings by police, another friend loaded up with drugs and imprisoned for years, and I myself have had my fair share of negative experiences with them.  

To me, they are all douchebags, I get sick of them saying, "Oh, that's just a few bad apples"  Bullshit, corruption is rife and if they gave a fuck they would do something about the organisation they work for being held in such contempt.  (This is typical group behaviour, when one doesn't pull their weight, or makes them look bad, they just blame that individual, rather than fix the individual to fix the group but when an individual does well, they say see, the police are great aren't they, it works both ways, one could easily say that the good policemen is the exception and not the norm)  Over here is Australia, a high ranking ex-police officer and Royal Commissioner said the corruption is so entrenched he didn't believe it could ever be eradicated.  The coppers even shot one of their own in the bathroom at the Police Station for ratting them out.  Of course they covered it up, you know, along the lines of he slipped and fell and ate 32 bullets, something like that.  If you blow the whistle, the will shit in your coffee cup (this has happened on more than one occasion) and do much worse, they will make your life a living hell.

We even used to have an Armed Offenders Squad which was the Armed Robbery Squad, a unit that regularly used excessive force and violence, an Inquiry found that the Armed Robbery Squad had committed "abuses... so grave as to warrant the most prompt institution of safeguarding reforms.  These whackobs were so full of themselves they had their own self-created logo of two golden revolvers with the barrels crossed which was deemed illegal by the Courts and compared to the same type of behaviour as criminal orginisations. An Investigation into these lunatics found that the Armed Offenders Squad were "contemptuous of the law", "divisive, insular, and exclusionary", and possessed an attitude of "elitist superiority within the Police".  They were eventually disbanded but the corruption has continued to this day, it is RIFE, the Police just had a major career criminal "KNOCKED" in jail because he was about to rat on them about organised hits that the Police had paid him for.  Anyway, their is nothing you can tell me about the Police, it is an organised Criminal Cartel, pure and simple - Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2012, 09:53:13 AM »
Your whole post is loaded with assumptions.   I have been friends with a family of cops, I have first hand experience of major corruption, stupidity etc etc.

There you go NOW we are getting somewhere, you get the hang of it don't worry keep practicing - just one minor point - you have about what uhmm a couple 100k of cops in the US? Just because you know 1 or 2 or even lets say 100 thats 0.1% of cops that you know, hardly a number that would qualify to make a judgment call on ALL american cops wouldn't you say so yourself?

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Re: Cop Tasers 10 year old boy for refusing to wash his car.
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2012, 09:53:32 AM »
irresponsible as fck, but he didn't mean to do it.

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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2012, 09:56:20 AM »

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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2012, 09:57:36 AM »
My experiences plus publicly known history of police forces throughout the world.   I would say good cops are a minority working against the tide within their own ranks.
There you go NOW we are getting somewhere, you get the hang of it don't worry keep practicing - just one minor point - you have about what uhmm a couple 100k of cops in the US? Just because you know 1 or 2 or even lets say 100 thats 0.1% of cops that you know, hardly a number that would qualify to make a judgment call on ALL american cops wouldn't you say so yourself?

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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2012, 09:58:07 AM »
I have known three policeman in my time, one is a very good friend of my Mum's, the other was a motorbike policeman and friend of my brothers and the family, and another was friend of mine who lasted about two years in the police force, he left because he was shocked how corrupt it was.  I have had friends who have been beaten by Police, hang out the window of multi story buildings by police, another friend loaded up with drugs and imprisoned for years, and I myself have had my fair share of negative experiences with them.  

To me, they are all douchebags, I get sick of them saying, "Oh, that's just a few bad apples"  Bullshit, corruption is rife and if they gave a fuck they would do something about the organisation they work for being held in such contempt.  Over here is Australia, a high ranking ex-police officer and Royal Commissioner said the corruption is so entrenched he didn't believe it could ever be eradicated.  The coppers even shot one of their own in the bathroom at the Police Station for ratting them out.  Of course they covered it up, you know, along the lines of he slipped and fell and ate 32 bullets, something like that.  If you blow the whistle, the will shit in your coffee cup (this has happened on more than one occasion) and do much worse, they will make your life a living hell.

We even used to have an Armed Offenders Squad which was the Armed Robbery Squad, a unit that regularly used excessive force and violence, an Inquiry found that the Armed Robbery Squad had committed "abuses... so grave as to warrant the most prompt institution of safeguarding reforms.  These whackobs were so full of themselves they had their own self-created logo of two golden revolvers with the barrels crossed which was deemed illegal by the Courts and compared to the same type of behaviour as criminal orginisations. An Investigation into these lunatics found that the Armed Offenders Squad were "contemptuous of the law", "divisive, insular, and exclusionary", and possessed an attitude of "elitist superiority within the Police".  They were eventually disbanded but the corruption has continued to this day, it is RIFE, the Police just had a major career criminal "KNOCKED" in jail because he was about to rat on them about organised hits that the Police had paid him for.  Anyway, their is nothing you can tell me about the Police, it is an organised Criminal Cartel, pure and simple - Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely

So I checked it, in 2006 there were 683,396 fully active police officers in the USA - that number must have gone up.

You said you know 3 Police officers personaly and based on your experience you say that the other 683,392 cops are as bad as the once you got to know.

Arguing with you guys is the equivalent of holding a midget on arms length while he is trying to beat your face