JOHN BOEHNER DECLARES..."obamacare is the law of the land"...3333 leaves country

[whork]

Boehner pulled out his cock and told you to suck it!

Thats okay with Mcway he does it on a daily basis

He even claims FOX is not biased despite calling for Romney in a landslide

The man is lost

[andreisdaman]

It's not funny at all, you did what you're suppose to and you're getting fucked.  Have fun supporting your own family and Andres family.

you poor crybaby.....you need a shoiulder to lean on???

[Necrosis]

We lost the White House, because (once again) we ran a moderate. Who considered Romney a member of the Tea Party?

Once again, you underestimate the Tea Party, just as Pelosi did. In fact, she did it twice, thinking the Dems would win the House back this year.

It appears you have no historical perspective. I remember talking the exact same stuff you're talking now, this time eight years ago.

But, another poster on another (now defunct) forum warned me how quickly things can change in politics, how the pendulum can swing the other way in a heartbeat.

I thought the liberals were FINISHED, after Bush got re-elected. The Dems lost seats in the House and Senate. It was all gravy.

Two years later...............

You have literally been on the wrong side of correct on every issue I have ever seen you discuss. You deny global warming, evolution, listen to fox, go on about the tea party like they fucking matter, no body wants them they are a bunch of uneducated morons.

I honestly think that the best thing to do is take the opposite position of your positions and I'll be correct.

[tu_holmes]

We lost the White House, because (once again) we ran a moderate. Who considered Romney a member of the Tea Party?

Once again, you underestimate the Tea Party, just as Pelosi did. In fact, she did it twice, thinking the Dems would win the House back this year.

It appears you have no historical perspective. I remember talking the exact same stuff you're talking now, this time eight years ago.

But, another poster on another (now defunct) forum warned me how quickly things can change in politics, how the pendulum can swing the other way in a heartbeat.

I thought the liberals were FINISHED, after Bush got re-elected. The Dems lost seats in the House and Senate. It was all gravy.

Two years later...............

WRONG.

You AGAIN lost the white house because you didn't run anyone with true conviction.

The extreme right wing ALREADY were voting just to get OBAMA out... REMEMBER?!?!?!

Anyone But OBAMA!!!! That's what your extreme right has ALREADY been running on... You voted for Romney and you sound pretty damn Christian Right to me... So if you voted that way, why do you think other people would NOT vote that way?

Your TEA party is a joke... It started out as a fantastic idea, which, similarly to the Republicans as a whole, was taken over by the EXTREME CHRISTIAN RIGHT... You know... People like you.

You just don't seem to get it.

It's unfortunate... MOST PEOPLE are socially liberal and fiscally conservative if they are "independent"... That's me and a whole slew of other people who voted for Gary Johnson which, if the Republicans weren't so stupid, would have gotten my vote... Instead, they let people like you, WHO WILL ALWAYS VOTE FOR THEIR GUY ANYWAY run the show... Well, enjoy having your own party... You are just going to get fucked on a whole slew of shit elsewhere.

Obama didn't beat you... You guys beat your-damn-selves.

[andreisdaman]

McWay taking a serious ass-whipping in this thread 

[whork]

McWay taking a serious ass-whipping in this thread 

The village idiot never learns

[andreisdaman]

The village idiot never learns

I think 3333 anointed him into that position

[24KT]

We lost the White House, because (once again) we ran a moderate. Who considered Romney a member of the Tea Party?

How well did the balloting work out for the extreme right wing conservatives?

You lost the White House because the RNC was corrupt throughout the primaries, your candidate didn't stand for anything, and the rest of your party was engaged in a strategy of sabotage against the president, rather than co-operating to fix America's problems.

You lost the White house the day you took out Ron Paul.

[24KT]

WRONG.

You AGAIN lost the white house because you didn't run anyone with true conviction.

The extreme right wing ALREADY were voting just to get OBAMA out... REMEMBER?!?!?!

Anyone But OBAMA!!!! That's what your extreme right has ALREADY been running on... You voted for Romney and you sound pretty damn Christian Right to me... So if you voted that way, why do you think other people would NOT vote that way?

Your TEA party is a joke... It started out as a fantastic idea, which, similarly to the Republicans as a whole, was taken over by the EXTREME CHRISTIAN RIGHT... You know... People like you.

You just don't seem to get it.

It's unfortunate... MOST PEOPLE are socially liberal and fiscally conservative if they are "independent"... That's me and a whole slew of other people who voted for Gary Johnson which, if the Republicans weren't so stupid, would have gotten my vote... Instead, they let people like you, WHO WILL ALWAYS VOTE FOR THEIR GUY ANYWAY run the show... Well, enjoy having your own party... You are just going to get fucked on a whole slew of shit elsewhere.

Obama didn't beat you... You guys beat your-damn-selves.

QFT!!!

Tu, ...that was beautiful.

[tu_holmes]

QFT!!!

Tu, ...that was beautiful.

Here's a nice article that backs up my opinion with some real numbers... Welcome to the new reality.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/opinion/carville-buckwalter-poza-election/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


"Mitt Romney outperformed Sen. John McCain, the 2008 GOP presidential candidate, by 5 points with both white voters overall (59%) and white men (62%). He also bested McCain's margin among Republicans, winning 93% of self-identified Republicans as compared to McCain's 90%, and white evangelical voters, 79% compared with McCain's 73%. Romney lost by relying on a tapped-out, ever-shrinking group of voters."

[whork]

WRONG.

You AGAIN lost the white house because you didn't run anyone with true conviction.

The extreme right wing ALREADY were voting just to get OBAMA out... REMEMBER?!?!?!

Anyone But OBAMA!!!! That's what your extreme right has ALREADY been running on... You voted for Romney and you sound pretty damn Christian Right to me... So if you voted that way, why do you think other people would NOT vote that way?

Your TEA party is a joke... It started out as a fantastic idea, which, similarly to the Republicans as a whole, was taken over by the EXTREME CHRISTIAN RIGHT... You know... People like you.

You just don't seem to get it.

It's unfortunate... MOST PEOPLE are socially liberal and fiscally conservative if they are "independent"... That's me and a whole slew of other people who voted for Gary Johnson which, if the Republicans weren't so stupid, would have gotten my vote... Instead, they let people like you, WHO WILL ALWAYS VOTE FOR THEIR GUY ANYWAY run the show... Well, enjoy having your own party... You are just going to get fucked on a whole slew of shit elsewhere.

Obama didn't beat you... You guys beat your-damn-selves.

Well said Sir

[MCWAY]

Thats okay with Mcway he does it on a daily basis

He even claims FOX is not biased despite calling for Romney in a landslide

The man is lost

Try that again!

"FOX" didn't call Romney in a landslide. Two pundits, who are on the right, did: Morris and Rove.

Other pundits, (Beckel, Sabato, Williams, etc) called it for Obama. Others made no call.

WRONG.

You AGAIN lost the white house because you didn't run anyone with true conviction.

The extreme right wing ALREADY were voting just to get OBAMA out... REMEMBER?!?!?!

Anyone But OBAMA!!!! That's what your extreme right has ALREADY been running on... You voted for Romney and you sound pretty damn Christian Right to me... So if you voted that way, why do you think other people would NOT vote that way?

Your TEA party is a joke... It started out as a fantastic idea, which, similarly to the Republicans as a whole, was taken over by the EXTREME CHRISTIAN RIGHT... You know... People like you.

You just don't seem to get it.

It's unfortunate... MOST PEOPLE are socially liberal and fiscally conservative if they are "independent"... That's me and a whole slew of other people who voted for Gary Johnson which, if the Republicans weren't so stupid, would have gotten my vote... Instead, they let people like you, WHO WILL ALWAYS VOTE FOR THEIR GUY ANYWAY run the show... Well, enjoy having your own party... You are just going to get fucked on a whole slew of shit elsewhere.

Obama didn't beat you... You guys beat your-damn-selves.

We ran plenty of people with true conviction. Romney defeated them in the primaries.

Gary Johnson couldn't even COMPETE with the others who ran on the ticket. He did even worse than Ron Paul, and that takes some doing.

Yes, I voted for Romney. Though he was far from perfect, as far as being a conservative goes, he's almost Reaganesque, compared to Obama.

If anyone is going to get screwed, it's ALL OF US. Obama's policies will continue to fail and energy prices will go up even higher, along with unemployment.

Here's a nice article that backs up my opinion with some real numbers... Welcome to the new reality.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/opinion/carville-buckwalter-poza-election/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


"Mitt Romney outperformed Sen. John McCain, the 2008 GOP presidential candidate, by 5 points with both white voters overall (59%) and white men (62%). He also bested McCain's margin among Republicans, winning 93% of self-identified Republicans as compared to McCain's 90%, and white evangelical voters, 79% compared with McCain's 73%. Romney lost by relying on a tapped-out, ever-shrinking group of voters."

Nobody's denying that. And where's the one medium through which Romney could have reached more black and Latino voters?

Answer: The same one, through which Bush went, to INCREASE his share of black and Latino votes, between 2000 and 2004: THE CHURCH.

Obama's flip-flop on marriage was served right up for Romney and he didn't use it. Not once (that I can recall) that he talk about faith-based organizations to help minorities (as Bush did).

Romney could have also detailed more about his educational program, particularly with African-Americans.

Yes, the economy is most important (which is why many are so baffled as to how Obama won with as a lousy an economic record as he possesses). Yet, you need a 1-2 punch. Romney didn't have it. That second punch is social issues. Tie them to the economic issues and how they help blacks and Latinos and you win.

[tu_holmes]

Try that again!

"FOX" didn't call Romney in a landslide. Two pundits, who are on the right, did: Morris and Rove.

Other pundits, (Beckel, Sabato, Williams, etc) called it for Obama. Others made no call.

We ran plenty of people with true conviction. Romney defeated them in the primaries.

Gary Johnson couldn't even COMPETE with the others who ran on the ticket. He did even worse than Ron Paul, and that takes some doing.

Yes, I voted for Romney. Though he was far from perfect, as far as being a conservative goes, he's almost Reaganesque, compared to Obama.

If anyone is going to get screwed, it's ALL OF US. Obama's policies will continue to fail and energy prices will go up even higher, along with unemployment.

Nobody's denying that. And where's the one medium through which Romney could have reached more black and Latino voters?

Answer: The same one, through which Bush went, to INCREASE his share of black and Latino votes, between 2000 and 2004: THE CHURCH.

Obama's flip-flop on marriage was served right up for Romney and he didn't use it. Not once (that I can recall) that he talk about faith-based organizations to help minorities (as Bush did).

Romney could have also detailed more about his educational program, particularly with African-Americans.

Yes, the economy is most important (which is why many are so baffled as to how Obama won with as a lousy an economic record as he possesses). Yet, you need a 1-2 punch. Romney didn't have it. That second punch is social issues. Tie them to the economic issues and how they help blacks and Latinos and you win.

Romney defeated those guys in the primaries because people such as yourself are EASILY manipulated... The Republican higher ups did not want a guy like Paul, and since they blackballed him, he gets shoved down... THEN they are FED a bunch of "WHATEVER YOU WANT TO HEAR" and boom... Romney gets the nomination.

So AGAIN... YOU BEAT YOURSELVES.

[MCWAY]

You have literally been on the wrong side of correct on every issue I have ever seen you discuss. You deny global warming, evolution, listen to fox, go on about the tea party like they fucking matter, no body wants them they are a bunch of uneducated morons.

I honestly think that the best thing to do is take the opposite position of your positions and I'll be correct.

Then, you obviously haven't been on this forum very long or seen me discuss a lot of issues.

I discuss a lot of issues. I get some right; I get some wrong. So be it.

[whork]

The one who gets the nomination has to get the top of the GOP to support him and in order to this he sells his soul to the lobbyists.

The lobbyists work for themselves not the people of the US

[whork]

Then, you obviously haven't been on this forum very long or seen me discuss a lot of issues.

I discuss a lot of issues. I get some right; I get some wrong. So be it.

I think his point is that you dont "learn" anything when you are wrong you just repeat it

[MCWAY]

Romney defeated those guys in the primaries because people such as yourself are EASILY manipulated... The Republican higher ups did not want a guy like Paul, and since they blackballed him, he gets shoved down... THEN they are FED a bunch of "WHATEVER YOU WANT TO HEAR" and boom... Romney gets the nomination.


So AGAIN... YOU BEAT YOURSELVES.

The Republicans didn't want Paul, NOR did they want a major social conservative. You act as if Paul were the only guy that got blackballed.

And, strange as it may sound to you, I'm not disagreeing with your overall assessment that we beat ourselves.

Stranger still, had Paul (by some act of God) won the GOP nomination, I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HIM.

In fact, I detail some examples of how we did just that: NOT pushing the social issues; NOT pushing commonalities in the faith community to attract blacks and Latinos.

Get a conservative that does that and is good on the economy and he beats Obama. Now, the GOP will have to produce such a candidate to defeat Obama's DNC successor.

[MCWAY]

I think his point is that you dont "learn" anything when you are wrong you just repeat it

Oh. I learn plenty. What I don't do is abandon my principles or beliefs, just because an election doesn't go to my liking.

[tu_holmes]

The Republicans didn't want Paul, NOR did they want a major social conservative. You act as if Paul were the only guy that got blackballed.

And, strange as it may sound to you, I'm not disagreeing with your overall assessment that we beat ourselves.

In fact, I detail some examples of how we did just that: NOT pushing the social issues; NOT pushing commonalities in the faith community to attract blacks and Latinos.

Get a conservative that does that and is good on the economy and he beats Obama. Now, the GOP will have to produce such a candidate to defeat Obama's DNC successor.

You will just get crushed again...

You NEED to let Abortion go... you NEED to get over this whole gay marriage thing.

The longer you keep using these as talking points with the electorate getting younger and younger, the more you are going to lose.

But hey... you keep on talking about that shit and see how far you get.

The Dems did not need to talk about religion to get the VERY religious latinos to vote for them... Wonder what that tells you...

Most likely, it tells YOU nothing... because you seem quite inflexible.

[whork]

Oh. I learn plenty. What I don't do is abandon my principles or beliefs, just because an election doesn't go to my liking.

Facts are not beliefs Mcway

[MCWAY]

You will just get crushed again...

You NEED to let Abortion go... you NEED to get over this whole gay marriage thing.

The longer you keep using these as talking points with the electorate getting younger and younger, the more you are going to lose.

But hey... you keep on talking about that shit and see how far you get.

The Dems did not need to talk about religion to get the VERY religious latinos to vote for them... Wonder what that tells you...

Most likely, it tells YOU nothing... because you seem quite inflexible.

It tells me that those issues (as is the case with black voters) take a back seat to economic ones.

Namely, as long as more blacks and Latinos are in poverty, they will go with the party that gives them bennies to subsidize them, while in it, or promises to punish those who (accurately or not) are holding them down.

Furthermore, faith-based issues go BEYOND abortion and gay "marriage". Or did you not see my mentioning of things such as education or faith-based organizations that help those very black and Latino communities.

Bush did those things and got a SPIKE in black and Latino voters in 2004. That's how he beat Kerry.

The point you missed is that the GOP doesn't need to look for a way to reach out to black people and Latinos. IT ALREADY HAS ONE. They need to use it.

[tu_holmes]

It tells me that those issues (as is the case with black voters) take a back seat to economic ones.

Namely, as long as more blacks and Latinos are in poverty, they will go with the party that gives them bennies to subsidize them, while in it, or promises to punish those who (accurately or not) are holding them down.

Furthermore, faith-based issues go BEYOND abortion and gay "marriage". Or did you not see my mentioning of things such as education or faith-based organizations that help those very black and Latino communities.

Bush did those things and got a SPIKE in black and Latino voters in 2004. That's how he beat Kerry.

The point you missed is that the GOP doesn't need to look for a way to reach out to black people and Latinos. IT ALREADY HAS ONE. They need to use it.

You truly do not get it do you?

Freebies didn't lose this election... Social issues did.

The economy is VERY important, but no one had faith in either of them really... so it shows.

Apparently Independents are left leaning socially and this election showed it... But you keep on believing what you want.

Let's have this discussion in another 4 years and see what's what.

[whork]

It tells me that those issues (as is the case with black voters) take a back seat to economic ones.

Namely, as long as more blacks and Latinos are in poverty, they will go with the party that gives them bennies to subsidize them, while in it, or promises to punish those who (accurately or not) are holding them down.

Furthermore, faith-based issues go BEYOND abortion and gay "marriage". Or did you not see my mentioning of things such as education or faith-based organizations that help those very black and Latino communities.

Bush did those things and got a SPIKE in black and Latino voters in 2004. That's how he beat Kerry.

The point you missed is that the GOP doesn't need to look for a way to reach out to black people and Latinos. IT ALREADY HAS ONE. They need to use it.

Blacks did vote for the most economic sound plan

romneys plan would lower taxes and increase military spending meaning larger deficit

I posted this several times what is it you dont get?

[MCWAY]

Facts are not beliefs Mcway

The facts are the GOP will not win, trying to be Democrat-lite. They will win by sticking to their principles and matching those principles to the needs of Latino and black voters.

[MCWAY]

Blacks did vote for the most economic sound plan

romneys plan would lower taxes and increase military spending meaning larger deficit

I posted this several times what is it you dont get?

The same sound plan by Obama that jacked black unemployment from 9% to nearly 15?

The same sound plan by Obama that had black youth unemployment at nearly 50%

The same sound plan by Obama that had 8% or higher unemployment for 44 of the last 46 months?

The same sound plan that has half of college grads, unable to get jobs in their fields?

Please explain this "sound economic plan" of Obama and how he's doing to do in a second term what he miserably failed to do in his first term.

As for military spending, I supposed you forget that military folks have families, too (as do defense contractors and communities in military regions). Not to mention pesky things just as fewer soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines and LONGER DEPLOYMENTS for those that remain.