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« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2012, 01:48:32 AM »

The case of Cheek v. United States involves a U.S. Supreme Court decision on tax-protester arguments. The Cheek case involved John L. Cheek, a tax protester who was prosecuted for tax evasion under 26 U.S.C. § 7201. In Cheek, the Court stated:
 

Claims that some of the provisions of the tax code are unconstitutional are submissions of a different order. They do not arise from innocent mistakes caused by the complexity of the Internal Revenue Code. Rather, they reveal full knowledge of the provisions at issue and a studied conclusion, however wrong, that those provisions are invalid and unenforceable. Thus, in this case, Cheek paid his taxes for years, but after attending various seminars and based on his own study, he concluded that the income tax laws could not constitutionally require him to pay a tax.
 
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We do not believe that Congress contemplated that such a taxpayer, without risking criminal prosecution, could ignore the duties imposed upon him by the Internal Revenue Code and refuse to utilize the mechanisms provided by Congress to present his claims of invalidity to the courts and to abide by their decisions. There is no doubt that Cheek, from year to year, was free to pay the tax that the law purported to require, file for a refund and, if denied, present his claims of invalidity, constitutional or otherwise, to the courts. See 26 U.S.C. 7422. Also, without paying the tax, he could have challenged claims of tax deficiencies in the Tax Court, 6213, with the right to appeal to a higher court if unsuccessful. 7482(a)(1). Cheek took neither course in some years, and, when he did, was unwilling to accept the outcome. As we see it, he is in no position to claim that his good-faith belief about the validity of the Internal Revenue Code negates willfulness or provides a defense to criminal prosecution under 7201 and 7203. Of course, Cheek was free in this very case to present his claims of invalidity and have them adjudicated, but, like defendants in criminal cases in other contexts who “willfully” refuse to comply with the duties placed upon them by the law, he must take the risk of being wrong.
 
After a remand by the Supreme Court, the tax protester in Cheek was ultimately convicted, and the conviction was upheld on appeal. The Supreme Court refused to hear his petition for review of his conviction after the remand, and he was sent to prison.
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« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2012, 01:48:40 AM »

You are a disgraceful Piece of fucken shit, you are low life scum and don't deserve to be a part of the community and you are a fucken lazy bum with no life, no dignity, fucken hang yourself bro cause you have NO class at all.

Yet, in all that, you still didn't provide one law.  Something that could have shut me up.

You're a communist and socialist. Until you admit there's no law despite your opinions on how one should conduct themselves despite there not being a law, don't talk to me.  You're pathetic.  You've ignored a simple question that could be answered with, "Here's the law located at XXXXXXX.  Or you're right Wiggs, there is no law, but you should still pay anyway to be a good citizen...You can't even do that.  Think about this before you sleep tonight.  You seem to have a problem facing the truth.  You and many others on this board.
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« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2012, 01:49:45 AM »

BIG GOVT needs BIG TAXES to sustain itself


He does not care, HE IS A FUCKEN SELFISH ANIMAL. It does not matter what happens to his children as long as he lives in good times. His grand children will face depression like the great depression, crime will sky rocket and his future family including children will scrape from the garbage bins and this selfish piece of shit doesn't care as long as he lived good. If people thought like him, this is exactly what would happen, he is a dummy
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« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2012, 01:52:23 AM »

Yet, in all that, you still didn't provide one law.  Something that could have shut me up.

You're a communist and socialist. Until you admit there's no law despite your opinions on how one should conduct themselves despite there not being a law, don't talk to me.  You're pathetic.  You've ignored a simple question that could be answered with, "Here's the law located at XXXXXXX.  Or you're right Wiggs, there is no law, but you should still pay anyway to be a good citizen...You can't even do that.  Think about this before you sleep tonight.  You seem to have a problem facing the truth.  You and many others on this board.
Your dumb I don't live in your country and a grade 2 knows if every American had your dumb brain, America will fall plain and simple you brainiac
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« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2012, 01:53:31 AM »

He does not care, HE IS A FUCKEN SELFISH ANIMAL. It does not matter what happens to his children as long as he lives in good times. His grand children will face depression like the great depression, crime will sky rocket and his future family including children will scrape from the garbage bins and this selfish piece of shit doesn't care as long as he lived good. If people thought like him, this is exactly what would happen, he is a dummy



Why won't you admit there's no law?
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« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2012, 01:55:16 AM »

A tax protester is someone who refuses to pay a tax on constitutional or legal grounds, typically because he or she believes that the tax laws are unconstitutional or otherwise invalid. Tax protesters are different from tax resisters, who refuse to pay taxes as a protest against the government or its policies, not out of a belief that the tax law itself is invalid.
 
Tax protesters raise a number of different kinds of arguments. These include constitutional arguments, such as claims that the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution was not properly ratified or that it is unconstitutional generally, or that being forced to file an income tax return violates the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. Others are statutory arguments suggesting that the income tax is constitutional but the statutes enacting the income tax are ineffective, or that Federal Reserve Notes do not constitute cash or income. Yet another collection of arguments centers on general conspiracies involving numerous government agencies.
 
Legal commentator Daniel B. Evans has defined tax protesters as people who "refuse to pay taxes or file tax returns out of a mistaken belief that the federal income tax is unconstitutional, invalid, voluntary, or otherwise does not apply to them under one of a number of bizarre arguments." An illegal tax-protest scheme has been defined as "any scheme, without basis in law or fact, designed to express dissatisfaction with the tax laws by interfering with their administration or attempting to illegally avoid or reduce tax liabilities."
 
Some tax protesters refuse to file a tax return or file returns with no income or tax data supplied.
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« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2012, 01:57:19 AM »

Your dumb I don't live in your country and a grade 2 knows if every American had your dumb brain, America will fall plain and simple you brainiac

Well if you're not an American, that makes our argument a moot point. I can't expect you to understand or comprehend our form of intended economics.  Good luck.  I'm only arguing with people in my "house" tonight.
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« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2012, 01:59:04 AM »

Well of you're not an American, that makes our argument a moot point. I can't expect you to understand or comprehend our form of intended economics.  Good luck.  I'm only arguing with people in my "house" tonight.
Haha fair enough despite the name calling, you know me I just ramble away sometimes but I never hold grudges  Grin Cool Wink
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« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2012, 02:04:19 AM »

Well I know what to say whenever I want to crash threads from now on.  I'm out. I'm going to go buy Black Ops II from shitty Walmart.

Oh yeah, I'll pay the unlawful tax while I'm still in the U.S. I'd rather not go to jail. I know all the arguments, most of the books, internet and t.v.  It is indeed an unlawful tax.  We profess on this board to be bad asses and when it's time for the rubber to meet the road, EVERYONE pussied out.  Remember that.  I will.

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« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2012, 02:16:45 AM »

Well I know what to say whenever I want to crash threads from now on.  I'm out. I'm going to go buy Black Ops II from shitty Walmart.

Oh yeah, I'll pay the unlawful tax while I'm still in the U.S. I'd rather not go to jail. I know all the arguments, most of the books, internet and t.v.  It is indeed an unlawful tax.  We profess on this board to be bad asses and when it's time for the rubber to meet the road, EVERYONE pussied out.  Remember that.  I will.



What if they start taxing all the pussy you "get"?
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« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2012, 02:42:18 AM »

In case you didn't know, the Supreme Court is the highest in the land and overrules an IRS tax code you fucking numcumpoot.  The da' the fuck outta here.

Well - you won't get to Supreme court because your case has zero merit. In fact, you will be penalised in the court you do get to for presenting such a ridiculous argument.

The Internal Revenue Code is law and the Supreme Court would uphold it.

It is obvious all you have done is read a few websites and come here with your new found knowledge. There is no substance though. To think you can argue the law without looking at the precedent of other cases, well that makes you the dumb fuck here, I'm afraid.

I would advise going back to those sites you got this from. They will probably have points to counter the ones I made. You can then come back and p0st those here and in doing so perhaps keep a little of your dignity.

On the other hand, you could just stop now and hope people forget about the thread.
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« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2012, 02:42:36 AM »

Wiggs replacing lifting weights with lifting responsibilities in this thread
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« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2012, 02:45:15 AM »



Why won't you admit there's no law?

You have been shown the laws already.

You now need to move on from denying they exist to showing why you think they are invalid.
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« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2012, 03:20:53 AM »

the ape do what ape its made to do : steals and make loud noises.. ape tax free of peace
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« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2012, 03:27:38 AM »

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lol...My point has been made.  You really are a funny fella Cyp. lol

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« Reply #65 on: November 13, 2012, 03:59:34 AM »

I dunno bro, remember what happened to Friar Tuck when he didn't pay his taxes in Robin Hood? Then the sheriff stuck him in that wooden trap setup with the slots to put your arms and head through...Didn't look like fun to me.
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« Reply #66 on: November 13, 2012, 04:00:20 AM »


lol...My point has been made.  You really are a funny fella Cyp. lol



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« Reply #67 on: November 13, 2012, 04:18:53 AM »

According to the 16th amendment, it is indeed unconstitutional to pay taxes in the U.S.A. .

But I'm sure you already know that the U.S. is not a democracy, but a plutocracy, it's not a country ruled by law, but a country ruled by excessive amounts of illusionary money.

So it follows logically that you cannot argue with the powers that be, unless you have friends in the highest of places or you're rich beyond belief.
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« Reply #68 on: November 13, 2012, 04:20:05 AM »

GW's 4 financial facts of the day

If you decided to renounce your US citizenship and move elsewhere, your assets would be subject to a tax of one third.

In other countries ( even Europe) income earned inside other countries is not subject to taxation in your home country. Not the case in the US.  

70% of our national debt is interest owed to bankers and foreign governments and therefore consists of no social welfare programs.

The biggest lie perpetrated in American history is that the great depression was caused by bankers and America saved by FDR. The truth of the matter is that great depression was the end result of a European Sovereign debt crisis and America was saved saved by WW2.

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« Reply #69 on: November 13, 2012, 04:30:17 AM »

I admire Wiggs determination and passion.  I would be more than happy for the current system to collapse and start again from scratch.  Complete and utter anarchy and let the chips fall where they may.  Then again, I have always had lurking in the background a deathwish.  Essentially, all laws are made by men, supposedly to benefit the majority, but it never has.  The system is designed by the rich and powerful for the rich and powerful, it's that simple.  Essentially, if the created system didn't have everyone frightened out of their wits, and drugged up on propaganda and distractions, their might be a possibility of revolution, but for this to happen, brave enlightened men are going to have to group together to make a stand, their will need to be enough of these men to reach a tipping point whereby the masses will join them and fulfil the Rebellion.  

The Great Change may be started by some unforeseeable disaster, like sudden economic collapse, natural disaster or world war, I believe within the next 200 years some serious shit is going to go down, humanity has reached a critical point in it's evolution, and shit is either going to change or humanity will cease to exist.  Wiggs, Keep up the good fight soldier, the worst that can happen is that they break your spirit and you end up like the rest of the automatons, comfortably numb, drugged up on modern life and it's convenience living a predictable and mundane existence.  Stay strong and guard your Spirit with your life.  Good Work brother!
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« Reply #70 on: November 13, 2012, 04:42:44 AM »

Wiggsley Snipes   Smiley.
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« Reply #71 on: November 13, 2012, 04:58:16 AM »

Wiggsley Snipes   Smiley.

Milton WillytonNelson  Smiley
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« Reply #72 on: November 13, 2012, 05:00:28 AM »

Wiggsley Snipes   Smiley.
troll ape tax free of peace
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« Reply #73 on: November 13, 2012, 05:02:08 AM »

Supposedly we live in the "Free World". People seem to forget where the term came from. People came here from Europe to be "Free" the excessive taxes and unjust treatment by their Government of the time. So how is this the "Free World" today...when we are in the same boat as they were? What's worse is that there is no place left on the Planet where you can go and be free. No such thing as a free country anymore.

I applaud Wiggs for his stand, but unfortunately it will not end well for him.The Government will do whatever the fuck it wants, regardless of Laws.

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« Reply #74 on: November 13, 2012, 05:35:50 AM »

What if they start taxing all the pussy you "get"?

He could file his backdated pussy tax return on a cigarette paper
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