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« on: November 14, 2012, 02:36:18 AM »

as any austrian schooler will remind you, cutting spending works

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/the-lesson-from-canada-on-cutting-deficits/article2243702/page3/
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2012, 02:03:22 PM »


Your subject heading is very deceptive.

Canada in the 90's actually INCREASED TAXES, while attacking the deficit.

Yes, Canada viciously cut it's spending during the 90's, but we also raised taxes considerably.
they turned the entire population into a group of unpaid tax collectors.  Angry

The previous Conservative government ran us into the ground and sold us out with NAFTA. They were so disliked abhorred, that Prime Minister Campbell didn't even win her own seat in Parliament. Jean Charest, a Quebec conservative who just narrowly lost a fierce battle with Campbell for leadership of the conservative party, did win his seat, but ended up having to cross the floor to become a Liberal, step down from Federal politics to the provincial level, in an effort to keep Canada together, and to keep Quebec was seceding from Canada. Local Toronto councillor Jack Layton left local politics in order to take over the helm of the NDP at the federal level, and in a hard fought uphill battle that lasted almost 2 decades brought the NDP from obscurity to Official Opposition status in what we refer to as the Orange Crush of our last election, until succumbing to cancer in the fall of 2011.

I remember the election of 1993 well. What a celebration we had that night! We all hoped for a Liberal win, but no one could have imagined the overwhelming LANDSLIDE that occurred. When they counted the votes in Ontario & Quebec, it was OVER! There was no need to count any more ballots. The liberals had already won. When all the votes throughout canada were tabulated, the entire map of Canada was lit up bright red. It was an overwhelming MAJORITY for the liberal Party of Canada, so much so that neither the NDP, nor the Conservatives even had enough seats to enable them to sit in Parliament. Their leaders didn't even win their own seats. We had so many Liberal MP's elected, that there wasn't enough room for them in the Liberal benches. Many had to sit in the Conservative and NDP benches (it's not like they were using them. lol) We had to make a few quick exceptions to allow both the conservatives & the NDP to even sit in parliament since along with their own seats, they had also lost official party status.

Our official opposition was The Bloc, a separatist party from Quebec who only ran candidates only in Quebec. They goal and mandate was to separate Quebec from the rest of Canada, and they formed the official opposition in Parliament. OY! What a predicament!

Prime Minister Cretien, along with Finance Minister Paul Martin set about to balance Canada's budget, and reduce our deficit, and they did so with massive slashing of transfer payments to the provinces, while at the same time keeping in place a controversial 7% goods & services tax that had been introduced by the outgoing conservatives.

In fact, the Liberals RAN on a platform of eradicating the GST if they were elected. They no sooner got into power, and realized what a cash cow a 7% tax was on all goods & services, and decided to keep it.

At the time the conservatives were splintered & fractured into the Canadian equivalents of the republicans, The Tea Party EXTREME, and the KKK party, and were in no position to do anything. All hopes rested on the Liberals, because the only other party was the Bloc who had been formed with the specific goal of seceding Quebec out of Canada. Cretien had a clear majority to govern as he wished for at least 5 years unimpeded, ...and then for another 5 years. Infact, there is no doubt in my mind that the Liberal government ould have won back to back to back majority governments, and been in power for the next 30 years if not for Paul Martin's impatience to occupy 24 Sussex.

Federal coffers raked in a fortune with the 7% GST, while at the same time, exported massive amounts of goods, services, raw materials to the US. With a devalued dollars worth approx 0.60 USD, our sales were brisk. Canada fed the US housing bubble with as much better quality, lower priced softwood lumber as they could buy, our tourism industry flourished, our western cattle producers flourished, our natural gas producers flourished, our film industry flourished. From Vancouver to Nova Scotia, every sector of our economy in every region of our country from coast to coast, prospered & thrived.

I doubt what we did could or should be considered a global model to be repeated. The conditions are not the same, and our strategy of debasing our currency only works when you're the only one doing it. It only works if you have a viable manufacturing sector, with goods to export, and your trading partners have a high value currency, and a policy of maintaining a high value currency.

In a race to debase, when all currencies are devaluing at the same time, it's a race to the bottom, and a race to hyperinflation. The only currency that nations can simultaneously debase their respective currencies against is GOLD

Watch what happens when Basel III comes into effect Jan. 1, 2013.

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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2012, 04:15:46 PM »

where did you get this cokehead post?

canada cut spending and deficit vanished

read the link ya dink
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2012, 05:08:15 PM »

where did you get this cokehead post?

canada cut spending and deficit vanished

read the link ya dink

Canada cuts spending AND increased taxes!
The deficit didn't vanish, it was reduced.
It took us close to 12 years to regain our AAA credit status.
I lived through it WITHOUT any coke... (that was in the 80's)  Tongue.
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2012, 05:09:31 PM »

Yes... they did not CUT taxes... They CUT spending and RAISED taxes.

Just like I've been saying the ENTIRE time.

So thanks for agreeing with me and proving my point.
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2012, 06:56:19 PM »

Yes... they did not CUT taxes... They CUT spending and RAISED taxes.

Just like I've been saying the ENTIRE time.

So thanks for agreeing with me and proving my point.

Tu, to whom was that comment directed? I don't believe I have ever claimed otherwise.

The interesting thing that Cretien had going for him then was a unique combination of factors that empowered him to pull it off...

The absolute hatred the entire country felt for the out-going Conservatives and their more extreme cousins in the Reform (aka KKK party) and anger both for and by the left wing NDP over Bob Rae's attempts to reduce the Ontario provincial deficit.

As our system works, all the revenue goes into Ottawa (federal capital) who then redistributes the revenues to the provinces.

The provinces adminstrate much of the money that comes from Ottawa, so when Ottawa slashed spending, the provinces were sitting on a whack of expenses and reduced transfer payments. They then had to balance their own budgets with much less revenue, so when the provincial governments started making cuts of their own, ...they came across as the bad guys, not the federal government who cut the transfer payments to begin with, because most programs are administered through the province.

Then I remember when Ottawa dumped a whole whack of people off UE which is federally run, and dumped them onto the provincial welfare roles which are paid for at the provincial levels. Everytime they reformed UE or tightened eligibility guidelines, all they did was take a ton of spending off their books and hand it to the provinces to have to deal with.

I remember the public sector unions got all up in Bob Rae's face demanding control. They expected to tell him how to run his government. They refused to go to the bargaining table. Leaving it up to Bob Rae to figure out how to reduce spending AND save jobs. Everyone said, it was either reduce spending or fire / lay off workers. Bob Rae, crunched the numbers with no help or input from the unions and came out with a solution that both balanced the budget and didn't result in a single government worker lay off. His solution, ...each government worker takes an unpaid day off, once a month either falling on a Friday or Monday, resulting in a 3 day weekend. They became pejoratively known as Rae Days. the unions were livid that he had found a solution WITHOUT THEM, and went on a campaign to ensure his defeat the next election. The animosity over Rae Days hurt the NDP, especially in Ontario.

The truly sad thing is that Bob Rae was voted out of office, not for what he did wrong, ...but rather for what he did right. He balanced the budget and saved jobs.
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2012, 06:59:33 PM »

Canada went downhill ever since Paul Martin came to power and the craperservatives took over. Jean Chrétien was the last Canadian PM. Everyone else has been nothing but an American ass kissing American wanabe.
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2012, 11:17:49 PM »

Canada went downhill ever since Paul Martin came to power and the craperservatives took over. Jean Chrétien was the last Canadian PM. Everyone else has been nothing but an American ass kissing American wanabe.

I take it you didn't care much for Martin.
Me either, ...but what was the alternative... sweater boy?

Although to be fair, Harper is hardly kissing Obama's ass, ...and I doubt he ever will be.
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2012, 11:47:33 PM »

lol at sweater boy  Grin Martin was a douche, Harper is a bigger bigger douche. Can't stand the loser. He may not be kissing Obama ass, he is kissing "someone" else's ass, as you know in the last oh say 3+ years or so but he's still a jack ass and began the americanization of canada in a lot of ways. Not to mention they rigged the elections and got away with it.

"World statesman of the year" lmao.

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2012, 09:12:14 AM »

Tu, to whom was that comment directed? I don't believe I have ever claimed otherwise.

The interesting thing that Cretien had going for him then was a unique combination of factors that empowered him to pull it off...

The absolute hatred the entire country felt for the out-going Conservatives and their more extreme cousins in the Reform (aka KKK party) and anger both for and by the left wing NDP over Bob Rae's attempts to reduce the Ontario provincial deficit.

As our system works, all the revenue goes into Ottawa (federal capital) who then redistributes the revenues to the provinces.

The provinces adminstrate much of the money that comes from Ottawa, so when Ottawa slashed spending, the provinces were sitting on a whack of expenses and reduced transfer payments. They then had to balance their own budgets with much less revenue, so when the provincial governments started making cuts of their own, ...they came across as the bad guys, not the federal government who cut the transfer payments to begin with, because most programs are administered through the province.

Then I remember when Ottawa dumped a whole whack of people off UE which is federally run, and dumped them onto the provincial welfare roles which are paid for at the provincial levels. Everytime they reformed UE or tightened eligibility guidelines, all they did was take a ton of spending off their books and hand it to the provinces to have to deal with.

I remember the public sector unions got all up in Bob Rae's face demanding control. They expected to tell him how to run his government. They refused to go to the bargaining table. Leaving it up to Bob Rae to figure out how to reduce spending AND save jobs. Everyone said, it was either reduce spending or fire / lay off workers. Bob Rae, crunched the numbers with no help or input from the unions and came out with a solution that both balanced the budget and didn't result in a single government worker lay off. His solution, ...each government worker takes an unpaid day off, once a month either falling on a Friday or Monday, resulting in a 3 day weekend. They became pejoratively known as Rae Days. the unions were livid that he had found a solution WITHOUT THEM, and went on a campaign to ensure his defeat the next election. The animosity over Rae Days hurt the NDP, especially in Ontario.

The truly sad thing is that Bob Rae was voted out of office, not for what he did wrong, ...but rather for what he did right. He balanced the budget and saved jobs.


My response was not directly to your statement, it was a general statement to the thread.
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