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« on: November 14, 2012, 10:53:14 AM »

I'm drinking Red Panax Ginseng Extract from traditional herbalist stores in Chinatown. The extract is from a heat dried form of Asian ginseng root used for thousands of years by the Chinese. Some studies suggest that Ginseng protects cardiovascular tissue, reduces LDL ("bad") cholesterol, improves blood flow and moderates blood sugar.


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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2012, 09:00:07 PM »

How long have you been taking the Panax Ginseng?

What if any effects good or bad have you noticed?
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2012, 11:06:55 AM »

Not for long.  I will give it about a month of a trial run and then report back.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2012, 07:43:46 PM »

all studies have shown no effect greater than placebo to my knowledge

placebo is cheaper
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2012, 10:08:26 AM »

Well it's 5 bucks for 36 in Chinatown, so I'll take the hit for now.
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2012, 10:14:09 AM »

This is a summary from Wikipedia re research on ginseng, I've copied the annotations.  Sounds like there is some potential benefit but that studies are ongoing:

"Ginsenosides, unique compounds of the Panax species, are under basic and clinical research to reveal their potential properties in humans.[6] Possibly an adaptogen,[7] ginseng remains under preliminary research for its potential properties or therapeutic effects, such as for respiratory illnesses,[8] quality of life,[9] influenza[8] or fatigue in cancer patients.[10] P. ginseng may affect cancer in animal models but this effect remains unclear.[11] One study in laboratory animals showed possible effects of ginseng or its ginsenoside components on the central nervous system and gonadal tissues[12][13] and another on penile erection.[14]
Ginseng is known to contain phytoestrogens[15][16][17] and may affect the pituitary gland to increase the secretion of gonadotropins.[citation needed] Other mice studies found effects on sperm production and the estrous cycle.[3]



3.^ a b c d e Chinese Medical Herbology and Pharmacology, by John K. Chen, Tina T. Chen
6.^ Qi LW, Wang CZ, Yuan CS (2011). "Ginsenosides from American ginseng: chemical and pharmacological diversity". Phytochemistry 72 (Cool: 689-99. doi:10.1016/j.phytochem.2011.02.012. PMID 21396670.
 7.^ Davydov M, Krikorian AD. (October 2000). "Eleutherococcus senticosus (Rupr. & Maxim.) Maxim. (Araliaceae) as an adaptogen: a closer look". Journal of Ethnopharmacology 72 (3): 345–393. doi:10.1016/S0378-8741(00)00181-1. PMID 10996277.
 8.^ a b McElhaney JE et al. (2004). "A placebo-controlled trial of a proprietary extract of North American Ginseng (CVT-E002) to prevent acute respiratory illness in institutionalized older adults". J Am Geriatr Soc 52 (1): 13–19. doi:10.1111/j.1532-5415.2004.52004.x. PMID 14687309.
 9.^ Caso Marasco A, Vargas Ruiz R, Salas Villagomez A, Begona Infante C. (1996). "Double-blind study of a multivitamin complex supplemented with ginseng extract". Drugs Exp Clin Res. 22 (6): 323–329.
 10.^ Barton, DL; Soori, GS; Bauer, BA; Sloan, JA; Johnson, PA; Figueras, C; Duane, S; Mattar, B et al. (2010). "Pilot study of Panax quinquefolius (American ginseng) to improve cancer-related fatigue: a randomized, double-blind, dose-finding evaluation: NCCTG trial N03CA.". Supportive care in cancer : official journal of the Multinational Association of Supportive Care in Cancer 18 (2): 179–87. doi:10.1007/s00520-009-0642-2. PMID 19415341
 11.^ Shin HR, Kim JY, Yun TK, Morgan G, Vainio H (2000). "The cancer-preventive potential of Panax ginseng: a review of human and experimental evidence". Cancer Causes Control 11 (6): 565–576. doi:10.1023/A:. PMID 10880039.
 12.^ Hong B; Ji YH; Hong JH; Nam KY; Ahn TY A double-blind crossover study evaluating the efficacy of korean red ginseng in patients with erectile dysfunction: a preliminary report. J Urol. 2002; 168(5):2070-3 (ISSN: )Department of Urology, University of Ulsan College of Medicine, Asan Medical Center, Seoul, Korea
 13.^ Murphy and Lee Ginseng, sex behavior, and nitric oxide, Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2002 May;962:372-7 PMID
 14.^ de Andrade E; de Mesquita AA; Claro Jde A; de Andrade PM; Ortiz V; Paranhos M; Srougi M Study of the efficacy of Korean Red Ginseng in the treatment of erectile dysfunction. Sector of Sexual Medicine, Division of Urological Clinic of São Paulo University, São Paulo, Brazil.
 15.^ Lee, YJ; Jin, YR; Lim, WC; Park, WK; Cho, JY; Jang, S; Lee, SK (2003). "Ginsenoside-Rb1 acts as a weak phytoestrogen in MCF-7 human breast cancer cells". Archives of pharmacal research 26 (1): 58–63. doi:10.1007/BF03179933. PMID 12568360.
 16.^ "Estrogen-like activity of ginsenoside Rg1 derived from Panax notoginseng". The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism 87 (Cool: 3691–5. 2002. doi:10.1210/jc.87.8.3691. PMID 12161497.
 17.^ "A ginsenoside-Rh1, a component of ginseng saponin, activates estrogen receptor in human breast carcinoma MCF-7 cells". The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology 84 (4): 463–8. 2003. doi:10.1016/S0960-0760(03)00067-0. PMID 12732291.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2012, 07:18:30 PM »

meh

chinese medicine is all horseshit to me...

eating dried goat penis will not make you better in the sack...

never tried it but am sure of this fact
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2012, 01:37:36 AM »

meh

chinese medicine is all horseshit to me...

eating dried goat penis will not make you better in the sack...

never tried it but am sure of this fact

Ahhh hahah hahah... Wooo you are fucking hilarious dude, one of my favorite GetBiggers!
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2012, 06:12:18 AM »

Ahhh hahah hahah... Wooo you are fucking hilarious dude, one of my favorite GetBiggers!

at least someone understands that i aim to be funny....


AND mildly offensive...      Grin
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