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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2012, 12:34:09 PM »

no, thats his economic  makes view.

what makes him racist, is him being a racist.


Still waiting for examples of Ron Paul (who's big thing is personal liberty for all, and that government should not be dictating how people choose to live their lives) is racist.
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2012, 12:41:18 PM »



you realize that policy would very quickly lead to cartels and monopolies everywhere.

to have freedom, there needs to be a law, some smart guy once said.


BTW, he's not for total lack of government, he's for just the Federal Government not overstepping its bounds (which are very clearly defined in the constitution). No one is going to deregulate enough to allow monopolies to take over.

He's a constitutionalist, someone who believe the federal government has a very specific set of duties, and that it's overstepping its bounds when it tries to make sweeping regulations across the entire country, as most is supposed to be left up to the individual states.

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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2012, 01:23:08 PM »

BTW, he's not for total lack of government, he's for just the Federal Government not overstepping its bounds (which are very clearly defined in the constitution). No one is going to deregulate enough to allow monopolies to take over.

He's a constitutionalist, someone who believe the federal government has a very specific set of duties, and that it's overstepping its bounds when it tries to make sweeping regulations across the entire country, as most is supposed to be left up to the individual states.


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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2012, 02:23:34 PM »

no, thats his economic  makes view.

what makes him racist, is him being a racist.

you realize that policy would very quickly lead to cartels and monopolies everywhere.

to have freedom, there needs to be a law, some smart guy once said.



I think you should do some more reading as he's never been an advocate of what you are saying.  He's a firm believer that there needs to be regulations in tact that will protect consumers and individuals from corporations taking advantage of them.  He advocates the federal government sticking to what the constitution says it should, nothing more.

There's no argument to be made that the federal government has overreached in the regulations and policies it has implemented, it's grown into a monstrosity that was never intended.

There's a reason why businesses and investors are fleeing this country, I speak to people every day about this and why a lot of my industry has gone out of the country as well.  They are tired of dealing with the federal government, taxes and regulations.  It's no longer logical to do business here when they can do it elsewhere.
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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2012, 02:31:21 PM »

i dont understand how mitt romney sways more people than paul, is it because he looks like a tv president?

And this rick perry dude, didnt he get more support than paul too? he came across as full-retard.
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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2012, 02:33:32 PM »

A question from a non American...

...how is it that Ron Paul did not get into a position to challenge for the Presidency? I haven't watched everything he's ever said, but from what I've seen, he seemed like a decent guy and he made a lot more sense than any of the other candidates. What turned people off him?
a good guy, but not enough good people to vote for him anymore. Most people are lazy stupid assholes nowadays, so they vote for obama. There will be crisis, wars, a lot of people dying, then good people will reign again, and guys like ron paul will be elected.
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2012, 02:34:29 PM »

i dont understand how mitt romney sways more people than paul, is it because he looks like a tv president?

And this rick perry dude, didnt he get more support than paul too? he came across as full-retard.


It was a combined effort from the dems and republicans and liberal and conservative television to keep him out.  It was plain as day this past year.
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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2012, 02:45:43 PM »

BTW, he's not for total lack of government, he's for just the Federal Government not overstepping its bounds (which are very clearly defined in the constitution). No one is going to deregulate enough to allow monopolies to take over.

He's a constitutionalist, someone who believe the federal government has a very specific set of duties, and that it's overstepping its bounds when it tries to make sweeping regulations across the entire country, as most is supposed to be left up to the individual states.

This is what I took away from him, but like I said, I have only a narrow perspective based on what I've seen. I'm enjoying reading the responses though - thanks for adding and for addressing my question.

How was he being racist? Genuine question...
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2012, 02:49:34 PM »

It was a combined effort from the dems and republicans and liberal and conservative television to keep him out.  It was plain as day this past year.

voters don't see through this?
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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2012, 02:53:40 PM »

voters don't see through this?

No.

They've been dumbed down for a long time. 
The media makes reduces issues to black or white.
The media has done a brilliant job of making him appear like a nut job and now a racist.

It's a sad state of affairs. 
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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2012, 03:06:34 PM »

a good guy, but not enough good people to vote for him anymore. Most people are lazy stupid assholes nowadays, so they vote for obama. There will be crisis, wars, a lot of people dying, then good people will reign again, and guys like ron paul will be elected.

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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2012, 04:40:20 PM »

This is the guy that should be the President.
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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2012, 04:56:06 PM »

A question from a non American...

...how is it that Ron Paul did not get into a position to challenge for the Presidency? I haven't watched everything he's ever said, but from what I've seen, he seemed like a decent guy and he made a lot more sense than any of the other candidates. What turned people off him?

Ron and Rand Paul are allowed to be on the fringe so that they help the globalist compute how many people are against the ORDER. The Hierarchy can never have enough information. They are putting people into groups and then going after the ones who might give them trouble over their agenda. People like Ron Paul who are allowed to speak freely are information gatherers.
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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2012, 04:59:18 PM »

Every Billionaire on the planet is a Globalist. And the ones who say they aren't, are not being honest with the people.

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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2012, 05:04:46 PM »

Getbig should support Paul Ryan because he is a bodybuilder.
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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2012, 07:57:27 PM »


you realize that policy would very quickly lead to cartels and monopolies everywhere.

Monopolies and cartels are ubiquitous right now because they are products of regulations enforced by the State. Hell, the State has assumed itself a compulsory monopoly over the police, the military, the judicial system, money creation, roads and highways, first class mail delivery, etc. The State's monopolies and cartels are extremely dangerous in that they are kept that way through force. A monopoly that might exist on the free market would necessarily have to be voluntary and would be almost impossible to exist due to no barriers to entry enacted by the State. So if you're scared of monopolies, you should direct your concerns at the ones that exist all around at the moment.
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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2012, 08:08:30 PM »

I'm pretty liberal with most of my ideals.  But i would have voted for Dr Paul in a heart beat.  One of the FEW true statesmen of our lifetime who couldn't be swayed or paid off by special interests...
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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2012, 08:13:19 PM »

fuck. this is not good.   Undecided

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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2012, 08:18:15 PM »

he advices the smallest amount of government and least restrictions on any enterprise.

read up on him, from critical sources.

at first i thought the guy is great, not anymore though.


I would have made you you live with your hard ball bitch tits until you we're able to afford the removing procedure in full, with your own money.
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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2012, 08:38:02 PM »

Some of the bat-shit crazy positions that Ron Paul has taken...


Would abolish the income tax
Would place the U.S. on the gold standard
Would allow citizens to engage in trade using gold and silver instead of currency
Would arbitrarily cut government regulations and believes that regulations only hurt businesses
Would eliminate the taxation of foreign income
Is a global warming denier
Says that Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare are unconstitutional
Would eliminate antitrust laws
Would eliminate the federal minimum wage
Would eliminate the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act
Would eliminate the estate and gift taxes
Would tax all earners at a 10 percent rate
Would eliminate tax credits to individuals who are not corporations
Would eliminate the elderly tax credit, child care credit and earned income credit
Voted to make it easier to decertify unions
Opposes Federal Deposit Insurance
Would revert government spending to 2004 levels and freeze it there
Opposes raising the debt ceiling for any reason
Would allow people to opt out of Social Security
Says that widespread bankruptcy is the stimulus the country needs
Opposed the auto industry bailouts
Favors tort reform
Opposes the regulation of tobacco
Would protect the 'privacy' of online sexual predators and child pornographers on public wi-fi networks
Would prevent federal courts from protecting citizens who have their rights denied
Opposed the Motor Voter law
Would allow states to ban gay marriage
Sponsored the Marriage Protection Act
Would repeal affirmative action
Would limit the scope of Brown v. Board of Education
Says that emergency rooms should be able to turn away undocumented immigrants
Opposes the Americans With Disabilities Act
Voted anti-choice more than 90 times as a member of Congress
Voted to eliminate all international family planning funds
Voted for the Stupak amendment banning abortion coverage by private health insurance companies
Voted in favor of fetal personhood laws
Would eliminate all funding for Planned Parenthood
Would ban flag burning
Would weaken regulation of dietary supplements
Supports a ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research
Opposes subsidies for prescription drugs for seniors
Opposes mandatory vaccinations
Would expand offshore oil drilling
Would increase mining on federal lands
Would weaken the Clean Air Act
Would repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act
Would weaken the Federal Water Pollution Control Act
Would eliminate departments of Energy, Education, Agriculture, Commerce, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, and Labor
Would eliminate the Environmental Protection agency
Would eliminate FEMA
Would eliminate the Federal Reserve
Would eliminate the Occupational Health and Safety Administration
Would eliminate AmeriCorps
Would eliminate spending to combat AIDS overseas
Would eliminate gas taxes
Opposes the census gathering demographic data on Americans
Opposed the dismantling of U.S. nuclear missile silos
Wanted to withdraw the U.S. from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty
Wants to claim the Panama Canal as sovereign U.S. territory
Opposes the International Criminal Court
Would withdraw the U.S. from the U.N.
Supports the electoral college and believes that the U.S. is not a democracy
Believes that we have no right to health care
Would eliminate birthright citizenship
Believes that law enforcement can't help people, only armed citizens can prevent violence
Would allow the legal sale of unpasteurized milk
Believes that groups of people don't have rights, only individuals do
Believes that government cannot redistribute wealth in any way
Believes in the concept of 'jury nullification', the idea that a jury can judge not only the facts in a case but the justness of the law itself
Believes that social welfare should be in the hands of individuals only, not government



ADIOS, MOFO!
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« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2012, 08:52:22 PM »

Some of the bat-shit crazy positions that Ron Paul has taken...


Would abolish the income tax
Would place the U.S. on the gold standard
Would allow citizens to engage in trade using gold and silver instead of currency
Would arbitrarily cut government regulations and believes that regulations only hurt businesses
Would eliminate the taxation of foreign income
Is a global warming denier
Says that Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare are unconstitutional
Would eliminate antitrust laws
Would eliminate the federal minimum wage
Would eliminate the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act
Would eliminate the estate and gift taxes
Would tax all earners at a 10 percent rate
Would eliminate tax credits to individuals who are not corporations
Would eliminate the elderly tax credit, child care credit and earned income credit
Voted to make it easier to decertify unions
Opposes Federal Deposit Insurance
Would revert government spending to 2004 levels and freeze it there
Opposes raising the debt ceiling for any reason
Would allow people to opt out of Social Security
Says that widespread bankruptcy is the stimulus the country needs
Opposed the auto industry bailouts
Favors tort reform
Opposes the regulation of tobacco
Would protect the 'privacy' of online sexual predators and child pornographers on public wi-fi networks
Would prevent federal courts from protecting citizens who have their rights denied
Opposed the Motor Voter law
Would allow states to ban gay marriage
Sponsored the Marriage Protection Act
Would repeal affirmative action
Would limit the scope of Brown v. Board of Education
Says that emergency rooms should be able to turn away undocumented immigrants
Opposes the Americans With Disabilities Act
Voted anti-choice more than 90 times as a member of Congress
Voted to eliminate all international family planning funds
Voted for the Stupak amendment banning abortion coverage by private health insurance companies
Voted in favor of fetal personhood laws
Would eliminate all funding for Planned Parenthood
Would ban flag burning
Would weaken regulation of dietary supplements
Supports a ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research
Opposes subsidies for prescription drugs for seniors
Opposes mandatory vaccinations
Would expand offshore oil drilling
Would increase mining on federal lands
Would weaken the Clean Air Act
Would repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act
Would weaken the Federal Water Pollution Control Act
Would eliminate departments of Energy, Education, Agriculture, Commerce, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, and Labor
Would eliminate the Environmental Protection agency
Would eliminate FEMA
Would eliminate the Federal Reserve
Would eliminate the Occupational Health and Safety Administration
Would eliminate AmeriCorps
Would eliminate spending to combat AIDS overseas
Would eliminate gas taxes
Opposes the census gathering demographic data on Americans
Opposed the dismantling of U.S. nuclear missile silos
Wanted to withdraw the U.S. from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty
Wants to claim the Panama Canal as sovereign U.S. territory
Opposes the International Criminal Court
Would withdraw the U.S. from the U.N.
Supports the electoral college and believes that the U.S. is not a democracy
Believes that we have no right to health care
Would eliminate birthright citizenship
Believes that law enforcement can't help people, only armed citizens can prevent violence
Would allow the legal sale of unpasteurized milk
Believes that groups of people don't have rights, only individuals do
Believes that government cannot redistribute wealth in any way
Believes in the concept of 'jury nullification', the idea that a jury can judge not only the facts in a case but the justness of the law itself
Believes that social welfare should be in the hands of individuals only, not government





Looks good to me.
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« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2012, 08:56:42 PM »

Just because RP would eliminate programs does not mean he would also keep the states from providing their own programs.  Ron's whole premise is to shrink the Federal Government.  He doesn't give a shit what the states do.
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« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2012, 09:00:32 PM »

Looks good to me.
I guess you'll be moving to The Land Of Crazy where Ron Paul can be president.

Adios, God bless.
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« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2012, 12:30:19 AM »

no, thats his economic  makes view.

what makes him racist, is him being a racist.

 Roll Eyes


you realize that policy would very quickly lead to cartels and monopolies everywhere.

Nonsense. Monopolies can only happen when you have the protection of government.


to have freedom, there needs to be a law, some smart guy once said.

 Roll Eyes
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« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2012, 02:52:17 AM »

A question from a non American...

...how is it that Ron Paul did not get into a position to challenge for the Presidency? I haven't watched everything he's ever said, but from what I've seen, he seemed like a decent guy and he made a lot more sense than any of the other candidates. What turned people off him?

The powers that be (Goldman Sachs & AIPAC) recognized him to be an uncompromising man of principal who would not sell his principals or rent them out to the highest bidder. As such, he was marginalized and robbed in the primaries, in order to ensure a candidate controlled by the powers that be, would be up against another candidate they also believe they control.
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