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« on: November 16, 2012, 08:58:33 PM »

Just the facts....obstructionist at work.

On September 8, 2011 — one year ago tomorrow — President Obama laid out a series of policy proposals known collectively as the American Jobs Act. The plan included stimulus spending in the form of immediate infrastructure investments, tax credits for working Americans and employers to encourage consumer spending and job growth, and efforts to shore up state and local budgets to prevent further layoffs of teachers, firefighters, police officers, and other public safety officials.

The American Jobs Act never became law, however, because Republicans opposed it from the start, blasting it as another form of “failed stimulus” that wouldn’t help the economy.
(They ignored the fact that the first “failed stimulus,” the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, wasn’t a failure at all.) One month later, the GOP blocked the bill in the Senate, preventing the creation of more than a million jobs and the added growth that multiple economists predicted would occur if the bill passed:
–Moody’s Analytics estimated the American Jobs Act would create 1.9 million jobs and add two percent to gross domestic product.
–The Economic Policy Institute estimated it would create 2.6 million jobs and protect an addition 1.6 million existing jobs.
–Macroeconomic Advisers predicted it would create 2.1 million jobs and boost GDP by 1.5 percent.
–Goldman Sachs estimated it would add 1.5 percent to GDP.

The American economy has continued to recover since the American Jobs Act failed. It added 96,000 jobs last month, according to today’s Bureau of Labor Statistics report, making August the 30th consecutive month in which the private sector has grown. But growth could have been faster: the public sector shed 7,000 jobs in August, adding to the more 700,000 it has lost since 2009. That includes hundreds of thousands of teachers and educators, firefighters, and police officers. Had the public sector spent the last three years growing at its previous rate, unemployment would be at least a full point lower than it is now.
The American Jobs Act and policies like it would have unquestionably boosted job creation and economic growth, a stark contrast to the tax-cutting policies put forth by congressional Republicans, whose “job creation” bills would have actually destroyed thousands of jobs. Republicans nevertheless continue to ignore economists and basic economics, instead pushing supply-side tax policies that have repeatedly failed to boost job creation and economic growth.
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2012, 09:01:02 PM »

obama destroyed 14 million jobs

republican create jobs, real jobs not welfare jobs

supply side economics IS economics

other stuff is bs paid for by hiring keynes to write a terrible boring book that said hey politicians if you overspend aka debt spend it STIMULATES the economy LOL    talk about outright BS!!!   try maxing your creditcards then fixing it by getting 10 more and maxing them!! see what happens!! lol
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2012, 09:03:19 PM »

obama destroyed 14 million jobs

republican create jobs, real jobs not welfare jobs

supply side economics IS economics

other stuff is bs paid for by hiring keynes to write a terrible boring book that said hey politicians if you overspend aka debt spend it STIMULATES the economy LOL    talk about outright BS!!!   try maxing your creditcards then fixing it by getting 10 more and maxing them!! see what happens!! lol


Not according to the facts.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2012, 09:41:16 PM »

Just the facts....dont lose sleep over it. Undecided

Obama is referring to the increase in private-sector jobs from February 2010 to May 2012. He uses February 2010 as the starting point, because that was the low point for private employment at 106,773,000 jobs. It’s been going up ever since. Right now, it’s at 111,040,000 — an increase of 4,267,000 jobs, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2012, 09:43:43 PM »

Just the facts....dont lose sleep over it. Undecided

Obama is referring to the increase in private-sector jobs from February 2010 to May 2012. He uses February 2010 as the starting point, because that was the low point for private employment at 106,773,000 jobs. It’s been going up ever since. Right now, it’s at 111,040,000 — an increase of 4,267,000 jobs, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


And this was done despite filibusters and the party of NO rejecting 51 JOBS Bills!!    Imagine we'd be far ahead of this if America wasnt held hostage by the republicant's.
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2012, 09:49:13 PM »

Just the facts....dont lose sleep over it. Undecided

Obama is referring to the increase in private-sector jobs from February 2010 to May 2012. He uses February 2010 as the starting point, because that was the low point for private employment at 106,773,000 jobs. It’s been going up ever since. Right now, it’s at 111,040,000 — an increase of 4,267,000 jobs, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

but obama came into office 2008 not 2010
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2012, 10:35:05 PM »


And this was done despite filibusters and the party of NO rejecting 51 JOBS Bills!!    Imagine we'd be far ahead of this if America wasnt held hostage by the republicant's.


Obama and the senate are an anchor for the reforms republican house which is closer to the people want.

Reid is a nazi who kill bills before they even come for debate and obama will veto anything without wild spending increases which got us into this mess.

Obama commy has kill 14mil jobs since 2008, and saddled tax payers with more debt than ever in history.

wow

what a mess for repubs to fix in 2016
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2012, 05:25:24 AM »


Obama and the senate are an anchor for the reforms republican house which is closer to the people want.

Reid is a nazi who kill bills before they even come for debate and obama will veto anything without wild spending increases which got us into this mess.

Obama commy has kill 14mil jobs since 2008, and saddled tax payers with more debt than ever in history.

wow

what a mess for repubs to fix in 2016

you should be banned. You have to be a gimmick mocking the republicans because no one is this stupid.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2012, 07:54:30 AM »

Just the facts....obstructionist at work.

On September 8, 2011 — one year ago tomorrow — President Obama laid out a series of policy proposals known collectively as the American Jobs Act. The plan included stimulus spending in the form of immediate infrastructure investments, tax credits for working Americans and employers to encourage consumer spending and job growth, and efforts to shore up state and local budgets to prevent further layoffs of teachers, firefighters, police officers, and other public safety officials.

The American Jobs Act never became law, however, because Republicans opposed it from the start, blasting it as another form of “failed stimulus” that wouldn’t help the economy.
(They ignored the fact that the first “failed stimulus,” the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, wasn’t a failure at all.) One month later, the GOP blocked the bill in the Senate, preventing the creation of more than a million jobs and the added growth that multiple economists predicted would occur if the bill passed:
–Moody’s Analytics estimated the American Jobs Act would create 1.9 million jobs and add two percent to gross domestic product.
–The Economic Policy Institute estimated it would create 2.6 million jobs and protect an addition 1.6 million existing jobs.
–Macroeconomic Advisers predicted it would create 2.1 million jobs and boost GDP by 1.5 percent.
–Goldman Sachs estimated it would add 1.5 percent to GDP.

The American economy has continued to recover since the American Jobs Act failed. It added 96,000 jobs last month, according to today’s Bureau of Labor Statistics report, making August the 30th consecutive month in which the private sector has grown. But growth could have been faster: the public sector shed 7,000 jobs in August, adding to the more 700,000 it has lost since 2009. That includes hundreds of thousands of teachers and educators, firefighters, and police officers. Had the public sector spent the last three years growing at its previous rate, unemployment would be at least a full point lower than it is now.
The American Jobs Act and policies like it would have unquestionably boosted job creation and economic growth, a stark contrast to the tax-cutting policies put forth by congressional Republicans, whose “job creation” bills would have actually destroyed thousands of jobs. Republicans nevertheless continue to ignore economists and basic economics, instead pushing supply-side tax policies that have repeatedly failed to boost job creation and economic growth.
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Very convincing article.  Roll Eyes

The amount of lazy and stupid people on here that post garbage is overwhelming.

First off, this "article" calls the first stimulus a success: (They ignored the fact that the first “failed stimulus,” the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, wasn’t a failure at all.)

That destroys the remote possibility that this "article" isn't horseshit.

Also notice how this mindless "article" omits how much money the "jobs bill" would end up costing the tax payer. The first trillion or two via the "successful stimulus" wasn't enough.  Roll Eyes

I have a great idea for a jobs bill. Stop passing fucking bills to create more government jobs and let the private sector recover without socialist central planning.

And one more thing -- Compare public sector and private sector unemployment, salaries and growth since Osama took office. Why on earth do we need to squeeze the private sector to help government employees? Government jobs have increased and the government sector has lower unemployment rate and higher salaries.  Who do you think gained the most from the original stimulus bills?  It all went to government employees, Obama donors and their green job scams and the rest ended up being flushed down the toilet of waste and fraud.  

Also-- nice job not citing your source.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2012, 08:58:25 AM »

this is weird

obama not republicans killed 14mil jobs

republicans would create 30mil jobs very fast by cutting business penalties and governmetn spending that is wasted and getting unions outa the way

everyone would get richer with capitalism not strangled

capitalism has always worked

socialism has always failed, every time

dont forget FDR created the great depression

and the growth at end of ww2 was due to massive lowering of governmetn spending

and yes the fed created the great depression along with fdr overspending, if fdr had spent little, depression would nto have been great

obama repeated that failure
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2012, 12:19:43 PM »

this is weird

obama not republicans killed 14mil jobs

republicans would create 30mil jobs very fast by cutting business penalties and governmetn spending that is wasted and getting unions outa the way

everyone would get richer with capitalism not strangled

capitalism has always worked

socialism has always failed, every time

dont forget FDR created the great depression

and the growth at end of ww2 was due to massive lowering of governmetn spending

and yes the fed created the great depression along with fdr overspending, if fdr had spent little, depression would nto have been great

obama repeated that failure



Try convincing America.  "Landslide" of real people over trainwreck of delusional like yourself.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2012, 12:32:36 PM »



Try convincing America.  "Landslide" of real people over trainwreck of delusional like yourself.

   Exactly WHAT landslide are you referring too? If it is the election, 50% is nowhere near a landslide
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2012, 12:36:37 PM »

   Exactly WHAT landslide are you referring too? If it is the election, 50% is nowhere near a landslide


Do you know what an electorate is? Is your rock to heavy to lift?
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2012, 12:37:32 PM »

Which is bigger?  306 or 202 ?
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2012, 12:57:38 PM »

you should be banned. You have to be a gimmick mocking the republicans because no one is this stupid.

I agree with this or he's a 16 year old kid on mummy's computer...
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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2012, 01:01:22 PM »

this is weird

obama not republicans killed 14mil jobs

republicans would create 30mil jobs very fast by cutting business penalties and governmetn spending that is wasted and getting unions outa the way

everyone would get richer with capitalism not strangled

capitalism has always worked

socialism has always failed, every time

dont forget FDR created the great depression

and the growth at end of ww2 was due to massive lowering of governmetn spending

and yes the fed created the great depression along with fdr overspending, if fdr had spent little, depression would nto have been great

obama repeated that failure

You contradict yourself breaking the union would be socialism, and everyone would not get richer upper middle class and below would get poorer and the rich would get richer
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2012, 01:19:46 PM »

Just the facts....obstructionist at work.

On September 8, 2011 — one year ago tomorrow — President Obama laid out a series of policy proposals known collectively as the American Jobs Act. The plan included stimulus spending in the form of immediate infrastructure investments, tax credits for working Americans and employers to encourage consumer spending and job growth, and efforts to shore up state and local budgets to prevent further layoffs of teachers, firefighters, police officers, and other public safety officials.

The American Jobs Act never became law, however, because Republicans opposed it from the start, blasting it as another form of “failed stimulus” that wouldn’t help the economy.
(They ignored the fact that the first “failed stimulus,” the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, wasn’t a failure at all.) One month later, the GOP blocked the bill in the Senate, preventing the creation of more than a million jobs and the added growth that multiple economists predicted would occur if the bill passed:
–Moody’s Analytics estimated the American Jobs Act would create 1.9 million jobs and add two percent to gross domestic product.
–The Economic Policy Institute estimated it would create 2.6 million jobs and protect an addition 1.6 million existing jobs.
–Macroeconomic Advisers predicted it would create 2.1 million jobs and boost GDP by 1.5 percent.
–Goldman Sachs estimated it would add 1.5 percent to GDP.

The American economy has continued to recover since the American Jobs Act failed. It added 96,000 jobs last month, according to today’s Bureau of Labor Statistics report, making August the 30th consecutive month in which the private sector has grown. But growth could have been faster: the public sector shed 7,000 jobs in August, adding to the more 700,000 it has lost since 2009. That includes hundreds of thousands of teachers and educators, firefighters, and police officers. Had the public sector spent the last three years growing at its previous rate, unemployment would be at least a full point lower than it is now.
The American Jobs Act and policies like it would have unquestionably boosted job creation and economic growth, a stark contrast to the tax-cutting policies put forth by congressional Republicans, whose “job creation” bills would have actually destroyed thousands of jobs. Republicans nevertheless continue to ignore economists and basic economics, instead pushing supply-side tax policies that have repeatedly failed to boost job creation and economic growth.
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Plz post link.


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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2012, 02:11:22 PM »

The first stimulus was successful, not as successful as it could have been, and not as visibly successful as statistically so.  It saved lots of jobs,  but people don't notice a job that doesn't get eliminated (they only notice when a job gets eliminated or created-preserving the status quo goes unnoticed).   And obama compromised, instead of putting the entire stimulus towards spending he put about half if I remember correctly to savings.
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2012, 02:45:17 PM »

The first stimulus was successful, not as successful as it could have been, and not as visibly successful as statistically so.  It saved lots of jobs,  but people don't notice a job that doesn't get eliminated (they only notice when a job gets eliminated or created-preserving the status quo goes unnoticed).   And obama compromised, instead of putting the entire stimulus towards spending he put about half if I remember correctly to savings.

The first stimulus was successful, not as successful as it could have been, and not as visibly successful as statistically so.  It saved lots of jobs,  but people don't notice a job that doesn't get eliminated (they only notice when a job gets eliminated or created-preserving the status quo goes unnoticed).   And obama compromised, instead of putting the entire stimulus towards spending he put about half if I remember correctly to savings.



Is anything you write backed up by anything resembling a demonstrable fact?

Instead of putting the entire stimulus toward spending, he put half toward savings?

What the fuck does that even mean?

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-STIMULUS0903.html

http://www.propublica.org/special/the-stimulus-plan-a-detailed-list-of-spending#stim_other

http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-stimulus-spending-2010-9?op=1
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2012, 02:51:58 PM »

You contradict yourself breaking the union would be socialism, and everyone would not get richer upper middle class and below would get poorer and the rich would get richer



socialism is government control

unions exist due to government enforcement and laws

if government not involved there would be no union problem

workers and organizations could negotiate

thats is no what happens now

obama forced fedex to unionize and the vote to de unionize is suppressed each year

look it up

I keep forgetting how dumb you democrats are.

There is nothing free market about unions, since they use government force to get their way.  Unions are multi state corps that weild tremendous financial and political power for benefit of few bosses.

under capitalism workers would be paid much higher since there were be higher productivity and way way lower penaties to hiring and firing people
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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2012, 03:42:23 PM »

you should be banned. You have to be a gimmick mocking the republicans because no one is this stupid.

no no... american'ts really can be this stupid... even stupider in fact in my experience...
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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2012, 04:16:29 PM »



Try convincing America.  "Landslide" of real people over trainwreck of delusional like yourself.

2010 was a republican landslide.

Obama won by 330,000 votes and many question the results.  So don't delude yourself it was a landslide.
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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2012, 04:43:00 PM »


George I'm on my phone right now but later tonight ill post some links to what I'm talking about when I say he put part of the stimulus towards savings. 
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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2012, 09:09:36 PM »

george, heres a good article about the "savings"

http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/02/news/economy/fed-stimulus-john-taylor.moneymag/index.htm

obama included tax rebates and payments to states, both of which resulted the reciever saving the money instead of spending it (or in the case of the states - borrowing less)
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2012, 04:48:08 AM »

Which is bigger?  306 or 202 ?

U get that that was the electoral college right?
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