Oh brother...please.
No better than 3rd place. Jay will never beat Phil or Kai again. Gifts are now reserved for Phil.
Bro 09 was not that long ago and I think everyone agrees except you and gthang and like 3 others that Jay's 09 version would spank Phil to oblivion. Also you are forgetting according to the scores Jay had the biggest point spread in bodybuilding history in 09. Don't get me wrong there is a 90% chance of Jay not winning but weirder things have happened in bodybuilding. In fact in the last 6 years the most unexpected things have been done. Everything everyone claimed to be impossible was done, a few example..
Everyone thought a current Mr. O could not be dethroned and it happened 4 times in the last 6 years.
Then everyone thought Ronnie could not lose, oh oh
Then Dexter will never win an O, Labrada tried, Ray tried and it looked like it was the land of the giants but Dexter pulled it off.
Then 07 and 08 Jay looked like complete garbage should not have made even 4th place especially 07 and we thought he was done and he came back in 09 in his best showing ever.
One thing is almost certain Phil is at the cross roads in terms of size, the added size from last year hurt him, his frame can not pack on any more muscle, he is enormous no daubt but unlikely to improve and his best falls short of Jay's 09 big time, every judge on the planet will agree with this regardless of your opinion.
In my books I think all this Phil and Jay talk is meaningless if Kai brings it anyway.