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« on: December 02, 2005, 12:28:21 PM »

Well, time to start the next round of sweet elixir!

Last cycle and bio/motivations are posted a ways back, but in a nutshell:

Test e: 750mg per week 1-16
Deca: 400mg per week 1-14
Abombs: 75mg per day weeks 1-6

Letrozole 1.25mg throughout
hcg 500IU every 5 days, ran until 2 weeks post cycle
Nolva for PCT

New cycle:
Test e 1000mg per week 1-16
Deca 400mg per week 1-14
EQ 400mg per week 1-14
dbol 60mg per day weeks 1-6
winny 50mg per day weeks 12-17

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Age 41 yrs, 5'9".  I started the first cycle at bodyweight of 200lbs, where I had been constant for about 5-6 years.  Hadn't used gear in about 12-15 years. 

Back in the day  Wink I was as high as 265lbs.  Lifted super heavy weights, solid form (examples of final set weights (not max): bench 545, squat 705, deadlift 685, leg press 28 plates...).  I have some old pics if you want to see them. 

Anyway, finished this past cycle at 225lbs, full and solid, definitely not real vascular, but I looked goddamn jacked!  Felt great too.  Got that old feelin' once again!  Been off now a full 12 weeks.  Still weigh 225lbs, but gained some bodyfat (probably because I kept my food intake about the same).  No real side effects, although my abdominal fat stores look a little more "occupied."  Otherwise, I am MUCH bigger than I was at the start of the summer.

Question: Any reason anyone can think of not to run letrozole through as my PCT, rather than making the nolva switch at the end?  Never done that before, and I realize it is not conventional.  Could that prevent the possible increase in abdominal fat stores that may occur with nolva as we recently discussed?   Or is it critical to switch to an estrogen receptor blocker rather than an AI at the end? 

As always, your (serious) comments are much appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2005, 01:37:03 PM »

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:

Test e 1000mg per week 1-20
Dbol 50mg per day weeks 1-6
Deca 400mg per week 1-12
Winstrol 75mg per day weeks 7-12
Tren a 100mg per day weeks 13-20
Anavar 40mg per day weeks 13-20

Arimidex 1mg EOD throughout
hcg 500IU every 5 days, ran until 2 weeks post cycle
Nolva for PCT

Question: Any reason anyone can think of not to run letrozole through as my PCT, rather than making the nolva switch at the end?  Never done that before, and I realize it is not conventional.  Could that prevent the possible increase in abdominal fat stores that may occur with nolva as we recently discussed?   Or is it critical to switch to an estrogen receptor blocker rather than an AI at the end?

Drop the Femara, sub Arimidex.  Run it eod throughout, then switch to Nolva for PCT.  Agree with using HCG 300-500IU e5d until PCT.  During your cycle you need an AI, but for PCT you want an IE, so the Nolvadex is best left for later. 

As for your cycle, I think you should run the Winstrol with your Deca, to avoid any joint issues with Winstrol and I've found this to be a sick combo.....alot of power/strength and gains when mixing these two.  EQ is an inefficient AAS, so I threw that out and subbed Tren, though Tren and Deca both compete for the same androgen receptors because they are chemically related so you need to run after the other.  The Anavar is optional for hardening at the end, but if you are worried about running three 17AA orals in the same cycle you can drop that.

I also extended your cycle by 4 weeks to account for the smooth transition from one anabolic to another, it's a good flow.




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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2005, 02:35:56 PM »

Thanks DIV--I will certainly consider some if not all of these changes.  I appreciate your knowledge.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2005, 04:14:15 PM »

Why would you run 100mg of Tren Ed?
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2005, 06:02:54 PM »

i wouldn't run arimidex or letro pct.  you need some estogen to get back to normal.  nolvs is better.
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2005, 06:08:12 PM »

Nice cycle, I always said your not shit if your not doing 1K mgs a week for at least 6 months
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2005, 07:55:53 PM »

would love to see some of your old pics...a bit of motivation is always good
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2005, 08:26:08 PM »

yeah me to, post those old pics bro, and the cycle looks good, DIV made some good changes, good luck with the cycle. im running a similar cycle also but i dont have a ending dfate yet, i want to see how my body will react to a longer than normal cycle.


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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2005, 09:58:37 PM »

Div, you're a freak. Did you major in chemistry or something? Nice work.  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2005, 07:54:46 AM »

i wouldn't run arimidex or letro pct.  you need some estogen to get back to normal.  nolvs is better.

Agree with this, nolva is crucial in getting HPTA back.

Like the cycle freak, have to admit I agree with DIV on running it longer, 24 is a nice round #  Grin

freak would love to see the pics "and you my friend are a mad man" (think Stripes) Those are some big #'s Do you have a powerlifting background? That's a 1,935 Lbs total!  I could only imagine getting under a 705lb squat! damn cant wait to hit the gym in an hour, love Saturday mornings lots of energy in the gym and plenty of hot women.  Not that I will be looking Roll Eyes 

Gonna train legs tomorrow this has motivated me, have to get past the mental block keeping me from jumping up to 495 in the squat, have done 455lbs for 8, just a belt and with a narrow stance, my knees are not what they once were  Cry.  Freak I think your bench is probally about my max squat.  Hey! I just read your post over and those were not the maxes!!!
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2005, 09:43:22 AM »

Agree with this, nolva is crucial in getting HPTA back.

Like the cycle freak, have to admit I agree with DIV on running it longer, 24 is a nice round #  Grin

freak would love to see the pics "and you my friend are a mad man" (think Stripes) Those are some big #'s Do you have a powerlifting background? That's a 1,935 Lbs total!  I could only imagine getting under a 705lb squat! damn cant wait to hit the gym in an hour, love Saturday mornings lots of energy in the gym and plenty of hot women.  Not that I will be looking Roll Eyes 

Gonna train legs tomorrow this has motivated me, have to get past the mental block keeping from jumping up to 495 in the squat, have done 455lbs for 8, just a belt and with a narrow stance, my knees are not what they once were  Cry.  Freak I think your bench is probally about my max squat.  Hey! I just read your post over and those were not the maxes!!!

that dude is lying his ass off.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2005, 12:03:03 PM »

Well i must admit i have never met freak or seen a pic of him, i believe him though and really never got the impression that freak stretched the truth any. 

705 lbs thats 7 plates each side and a 10lb and a 5lb... Shocked  Freak you still throwing those poundages around?
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2005, 02:45:54 PM »

why do you say that EQ is an inefficient AAS?
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2005, 04:03:38 PM »

no need to doubt the freak....I was his training partner in the days of old and can attest to his phenominal strengths....we were both putting 22 plus plates on the press and I do recall allowing tha FREAK to talk me under a bar with 705 for a single squat Tongue  he was always a better bencher than I as the most I ever tried was   495 or 505 for a half rep and he was doing reps w/ that...I recall one time on the squat rack, we moved the garbage can to the side of the rack and our goal was to go heavy enough to puke into the pail mid squat and keep on going Grin

also, he almost caused me to have a cerebral vascular accident on the leg press with 24 or 26 plates and last thing  I remembered before passing out and being shot out of the back of the leg press was saying his name and saying "oh sh*t!" and the next thing I am on the floor behind the press holding the top of my head and just feeling like someone tried to take the top of my skull off with a machete Shocked....couldn't put my head below my heart for two weeks after that....the pressure was insane!!!  the freak is for real  Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2005, 04:58:34 PM »

Why would you run 100mg of Tren Ed?

75-100MG ED or EOD.

That the typical dose, though some of the advanced lifters use much more.

Depends on your experience and goals.

i wouldn't run arimidex or letro pct.  you need some estogen to get back to normal.  nolvs is better.

I didn't tell him to run Arimidex for PCT.  If you read the cycle, it's clearly stated Arimidex 1MG EOD throughout the cycle.......that's not PCT.

Nolvadex is PCT.

Div, you're a freak. Did you major in chemistry or something? Nice work.  Smiley

Thanks, bro.

Just a veteran of the game......that's all.

why do you say that EQ is an inefficient AAS?

EQ is similiar in function to Winstrol..........it just requires alot more EQ to equal the same effect as what you'd get with Winstrol.

People like Boldenone because it increases the appetite, but outside of that it's really overrated in the same way that Anavar and Primo are.

I don't recommend it, unless it's dirt cheap because you'll be using alot more of it to get any benefit.



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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2005, 05:34:15 PM »



no need to doubt the freak....I was his training partner in the days of old and can attest to his phenominal strengths....


I was not in a postion to offer bravos' post. Everyone needs'
people like him as a friend and especially training partner.

I have (or ever had)  N O  doubts what-so-ever, selfless (non egocentric soul).
Knowing him to be (not only mature man) an absolute stand-up guy
and have grown to accept (at face value) everything that
he sees, thinks or says. He IS incredibly well informed!

He IS a tremendous resource to everyone here. I have learned S O much from him . . .

O K - I will stop (for now)

At a boy bravo

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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2005, 11:40:42 PM »

div, i was responding to the ?.  didn't mean to imply you said to run it.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2005, 08:45:39 PM »

OK, one more Freakest anecdote and I will stop hi-jacking this thread.....sometimes its hard not to go over the glory days in your head and not tell others Grin.....so one day we we squatting rediculous amounts of weight and the Freak says to me "surely if you can do 5 plates per side for 10, then another plate per side should not bother you"  well we had already done numerous sets for high reps and we were not maxing out at all but I was feeling a bit tired.  so I get under the bar and mid squat, I let out this growl of pain and finished the set....well, this small dude is overheard by the Freak complaining, "why does he have to make such noise when he is working out?"  so the Freak walks up to him and says, "let me put that bar on your back and we'll see what kind of noise comes out of you!"......small guy walks away not to be heard complaining about noise in that gym ever again. Wink
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2005, 09:00:42 PM »

I will try and refrain from G U S H I N G  like a sissy.

We all need drive and inspiration from GREAT people like this....

I am fortunate and feel gratitude regularly in the
rallying spirit from people like this.
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2005, 10:37:24 PM »

Freak walks up to him and says, "let me put that bar on your back and we'll see what kind of noise comes out of you!"......

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There's always one idiot who bitches about the noise......




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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2005, 10:51:24 PM »

Grin

There's always one idiot who bitches about the noise......




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he would probably squeak IF he touched a bar with that kind of weight on it . . .
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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2005, 05:38:43 AM »

no need to doubt the freak....I was his training partner in the days of old and can attest to his phenominal strengths....we were both putting 22 plus plates on the press and I do recall allowing tha FREAK to talk me under a bar with 705 for a single squat Tongue  he was always a better bencher than I as the most I ever tried was   495 or 505 for a half rep and he was doing reps w/ that...I recall one time on the squat rack, we moved the garbage can to the side of the rack and our goal was to go heavy enough to puke into the pail mid squat and keep on going Grin

also, he almost caused me to have a cerebral vascular accident on the leg press with 24 or 26 plates and last thing  I remembered before passing out and being shot out of the back of the leg press was saying his name and saying "oh sh*t!" and the next thing I am on the floor behind the press holding the top of my head and just feeling like someone tried to take the top of my skull off with a machete Shocked....couldn't put my head below my heart for two weeks after that....the pressure was insane!!!  the freak is for real  Cheesy

bravo, good to see you back on the board,  Cool


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 "also, he almost caused me to have a cerebral vascular accident on the leg press with 24 or 26 plates."

I know this feeling, kind of like getting punched in the nose.  Have to get to that or your not pushing hard enough!  Or if you are projectile vomiting into a pail mid squat...that would also mean you are probally using sufficient intensity  Grin


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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2005, 01:11:15 PM »

Hey bravo--great memories!  LMAO remembering that.

I have a few pics of myself back then.  Please keep in mind, though, that I rarely ever had a picture taken, so what I have is basically anything someone shot during a routine workout.  Some have decent weights, some don't, but in the photos that don't, I think the look of intensity says it all.  These were photos shot during routine workouts. Also, I was not a competitive powerlifter or bodybuilder.  I lifted purely because I love the fu*kin' feel of steel in my hands and a bar that's a bendin'!  Getting old now, but I don't love it any less.  Just wish everything didn't hurt so much!

One is of me benching.  This would probably have been around my 7th set, with 2 more coming after it during a normal "pyramid."  Usually good for 4 or 5 reps at this weight. (the haters will probably comment about the spotter's hands on the bar, but what can you do)

The photo squatting is definitely my burndown set, as my first set was 315 going up by 25s then 45s every set up to 700, then back for a burndown with 315 (I don't know, maybe for about 20-25 reps until "puke or fail").  My face shows too much pain and focus for it to be the lead-off set.

I like the leg press photo.  Also not at max, but I like the way my traps and forearms look, sort of all knarly and pimply! Wink

Last is a photo with my buddy, boxer and former Muhammed Ali sparring partner Romano Reid.  I went out to visit Reid in Trinidad.  Then Mr. Trinidad (LW class) took this photo.  Funny sh*t, though-- don't know the guy in the middle.  Mr. Trinidad was like"holy sh*t you guys are big--we need a reference."  So he calls the gas station guy over to pose with us  Grin.

Thanks guys for all of your support!
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2005, 01:12:30 PM »

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