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« on: November 29, 2012, 09:36:27 PM »

Attended a really good event tonight and there was a national security debate between former Congresswoman and DA Liz Holtzman and former Bush Admn Advisor Jay Lefkowitz, Esq. who is now partner at a huge law firm Kirkland Ellis.  He was advisor to W after 9/11

Want to know why I think most self described "liberals" are completely full of S$%?

Well Ms. Holtsman tried to make the argument that waterboarding under the Bush/Cheney Admn was and is worse than Extra-judicial Drone Strikes wo any guidelines or oversight under the Obama Admn that has resulted in deaths of many civilians.

Lets' see - if its me what do i pick? Water pored over my head to simulate drowning but leaving no permanent disfigurement or injury or being blown to smitherines w/o so much as a warrant or court order, let alone even a guilty conviction in abstentia even w/o a jury?
 
hhhmmm really hard choice there. lol!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2012, 09:39:03 PM »

i'm fine if we waterboard - IF we are willing to remove ourselves from geneva convention.

looks weak to agree to it then not follow.  Just give geneva the finger. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2012, 09:41:19 PM »

i'm fine if we waterboard - IF we are willing to remove ourselves from geneva convention.

looks weak to agree to it then not follow.  Just give geneva the finger. 

Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorists not in uniform or fighting for a nation state. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2012, 09:42:35 PM »

Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorists not in uniform or fighting for a nation state. 

it gets a little shady there... if a guy isn't in uniform, we're allowed to waterboard him?  geneva doesn't apply to occupied territories?

I dunno man...
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2012, 09:49:26 PM »

it gets a little shady there... if a guy isn't in uniform, we're allowed to waterboard him?  geneva doesn't apply to occupied territories?

I dunno man...


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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2012, 09:53:34 PM »

this just in:

everyone is fulla shit and just wants piles of cash and hot sex

trick is to get something back for all the money gov spends

liek trained MD and hospitals and railsroads

not just drump money down green corp drain

also any patents by green corps or gov sponsored science should be owned by the people, hell no gov finance research and you kep the patent HELL NO
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2012, 09:56:48 PM »

Professional Profile

Jay Lefkowitz is a senior litigation partner in the New York City office of Kirkland & Ellis LLP and a member of the Firm's Worldwide Management Committee.  He is also an adjunct professor of Administrative Law at Columbia Law School.  Jay has acted as lead trial and appellate counsel on cases (both individual and class) in a wide variety of substantive areas, including securities, shareholder derivative, antitrust, intellectual property, and breach of contract, as well as in several white collar defense matters.  He also has conducted numerous internal investigations for public companies and audit committees.  He represents investment banks, hedge funds, pharmaceutical companies, and telecommunications companies in litigation and in proceedings before the DOJ, SEC, FINRA, FCC, FDA and various State Attorneys General. 

Jay has had a distinguished career in public service. He served from 2005-2009 as the United States' Special Envoy on Human Rights in North Korea.  From 2001-2003, Jay served in the White House as Deputy Assistant to President Bush for Domestic Policy and as General Counsel in the Office of Management and Budget.  Earlier in his career, he served in the White House as Director of Cabinet Affairs and Deputy Executive Secretary to the Domestic Policy Council for President George H. W. Bush.
 
Jay's work as a lawyer and diplomat has been featured in many newspapers and magazines throughout the world.  He has been profiled in The Washington Post, "A Hard-Nosed Litigator Becomes Bush's Policy Point Man;" Global Forensics, "Subprime Crisis Stirring Up New Wave of Litigation;" The Washington Post, "What Ever Happened to Jay Lefkowitz?;" The American Lawyer, "Blackboard Jungle;" The National Law Journal, "Republican Connected and Rising;" Columbia College Today, "Shuttle Diplomat;" Aish.com, "Kosher in the White House;" LawyersandSettlements.co m, "Star Litigator Jay Lefkowitz Goes Pro Bono in California School Reform Case;" and The New York Sun, "Heroic Lefkowitz’s Korea Mission."

Jay has served as lead counsel for Fannie Mae, General Motors, Loral Space & Communications, News Corporation, Northwest Airlines, Qwest Communications Corporation, Tenet Healthcare Corporation, Teva Pharmaceuticals, Time Warner, UBS Warburg, Verizon Wireless, and many hedge funds and private equity firms.
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2012, 10:37:34 PM »

this just in:

everyone is fulla shit and just wants piles of cash and hot sex

trick is to get something back for all the money gov spends

liek trained MD and hospitals and railsroads

not just drump money down green corp drain

also any patents by green corps or gov sponsored science should be owned by the people, hell no gov finance research and you kep the patent HELL NO
Railroads are socialism.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2012, 11:53:28 PM »

A President with a Nobel Peace Prize and a kill list?

I dunno man...
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2012, 08:17:23 AM »

A President with a Nobel Peace Prize and a kill list?

I dunno man...

Funny how Ms. Holtzman does not see the irony in that an instead focuses of Bush / Cheney 
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2012, 08:23:41 AM »

Funny how Ms. Holtzman does not see the irony in that an instead focuses of Bush / Cheney 

One is torture the other is a takeout aka hit.
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2012, 08:24:56 AM »

Can I chose that both are cowardly? One might argue that drones are more cowardly.
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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2012, 08:25:41 AM »

One is torture the other is a takeout aka hit.

LOL!!!!  Only a delusional left wing crack pot could argue that extra judicial killings are not as bad as waterboarding.  

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/topsecretamerica/top-cia-official-obama-changed-virtually-none-of-bushs-controversial-programs


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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2012, 08:30:03 AM »

LOL!!!!  Only a delusional left wing crack pot could argue that extra judicial killings are not as bad as waterboarding.  

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/topsecretamerica/top-cia-official-obama-changed-virtually-none-of-bushs-controversial-programs




Only a sad person would make his own interpetation to fit his weird world.
I layed out the differences between the 2 i didnt rank them on some list on good or bad.
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2012, 08:33:42 AM »

Only a sad person would make his own interpetation to fit his weird world.
I layed out the differences between the 2 i didnt rank them on some list on good or bad.


Yeah there is a difference - one you are fine 5 minutes later - the other you are in for a permanent dirt nap. 
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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2012, 08:45:04 AM »

Yeah there is a difference - one you are fine 5 minutes later - the other you are in for a permanent dirt nap. 

Same thing can be said of ripping peoples nails off and a bullet.
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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2012, 08:50:02 AM »

Same thing can be said of ripping peoples nails off and a bullet.

We didnt do disfigurement as a policy.   Big difference
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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2012, 09:15:40 AM »

We didnt do disfigurement as a policy.   Big difference

What is the point of this thread?

Do you want Obama to stop killing terrorists?
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2012, 09:17:57 AM »

What is the point of this thread?

Do you want Obama to stop killing terrorists?

I want to the left to STFU about blaming Bush  Cheney for things they cheer on that their messiah and iconic God King does. 
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2012, 09:31:38 AM »

I want to the left to STFU about blaming Bush  Cheney for things they cheer on that their messiah and iconic God King does. 

And they want you too STFU about complaining for things Obama is doing when his republican counter parts would wreck the country again if given the chance.
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2012, 09:47:26 AM »

Have you been waterboarded recently?

How regardless of dresscode how is it not torture if being done against your permission?
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2012, 09:51:35 AM »

Have you been waterboarded recently?

How regardless of dresscode how is it not torture if being done against your permission?

Same can be said of sleep deprivation, blasting loud music 24 7, etc. 

When I think of torture of think of people hung off the wall from chains being poked w hot pokers, bashed w clubs, etc 
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2012, 09:55:03 AM »

Same can be said of sleep deprivation, blasting loud music 24 7, etc. 

When I think of torture of think of people hung off the wall from chains being poked w hot pokers, bashed w clubs, etc 

So water boarding is not torture to you?
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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2012, 10:07:49 AM »

Same can be said of sleep deprivation, blasting loud music 24 7, etc. 

When I think of torture of think of people hung off the wall from chains being poked w hot pokers, bashed w clubs, etc 

so you are an a la carte sadist provided of course that you and yours are not on the menu
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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2012, 10:09:34 AM »

so you are an a la carte sadist provided of course that you and yours are not on the menu

Most things that go on in Marine Boot Camp would be considered torture. 
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