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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2012, 04:10:18 PM » |
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Yeah, its a wonder ANY company is still here.  But you still seem to be saying outsourcing is good for America. We have slid in the rankings of global competiveness for many years now and business moves overseas. Outsourcing is not good or bad - its about economic/legal/regulatory/fiscal reality more than anything. Sorry - businesses are not going to be pinatas for greedy leftists, unionists, and politicians, do gooders, etc. Its reality whether you want to understand it or not. |
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« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2012, 04:21:01 PM » |
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We have slid in the rankings of global competiveness for many years now and business moves overseas.
Outsourcing is not good or bad - its about economic/legal/regulatory/fiscal reality more than anything.
Sorry - businesses are not going to be pinatas for greedy leftists, unionists, and politicians, do gooders, etc.
Its reality whether you want to understand it or not.
Another simpleton antidote. here's another one: Sorry the people of America will no longer be abused by greedy corporate CEO's. next? |
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« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2012, 04:26:06 PM » |
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american corporations have been raking in record profits for years now, yet the wages are stagnant or declining. These businesses rely on others to function, time to start treating them properly.
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« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2012, 04:28:41 PM » |
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american corporations have been raking in record profits for years now, yet the wages are stagnant or declining. These businesses rely on others to function, time to start treating them properly.
No, because the corporations aren't the greedy ones. Its the Unions and the leftists. They want all the money and they want to shut everything down blah blah blah these secretaries are all ungrateful greedy over paid wenches that don't do anything at all. |
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« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2012, 04:33:40 PM » |
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Let's just return to the way is was:
sweat shops
child labor
poverty wages
12 hour shifts 7 days a week no holidays
NO UNIONS
no structured time off
NO insurance in case of sickness or injury, because shame on those losers, the whole family deserves to starve.
lets have no taxes, no government blah blah blah blah
Obama is a kenyan coke addict.
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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2012, 05:08:09 PM » |
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These are the same unions that in the last major dockworkers strike were blocking conversions from fucking pencil and paper to computers. They feared if their union employees were forced to use such experimental technologies (sorcery, if you will) that the increase in efficiency and workflow would result in fewer jobs.
I also thought I read that there is a protest clause in the current rift related to conversion to electric lighting from open-fire torches, but I could be mistaken.
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« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2012, 04:20:11 PM » |
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The unions came into existence as a mass response to a lack of basic labor laws. Today, there is no real need for unions to exist because there are a myriad of labor laws on the books. In addition, their membership in most sectors is falling. However, they do maintain a strong political backing.
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« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2012, 04:40:04 PM » |
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OMG. Once again. When a union company is in an area local companies have an income standard to meet. Not as high as the union but as a welder in the union makes 27.00 an hour, the competing company across the street needs to put up its best number for a living wage. Maybe 19.00hr.
Now if NO unions are around then its a matter of what people are willing to work for. With no standard to meet it becomes neighbor against neighbor....Ill work for 12....Ill work for 8.....and down we go.
Also i notice 33333 says the clerical gal doesnt need security and 199k a year (He says thats not fair) But at the same time he'll support a CEO taking a 14 million dollar bonus as the company lays of 11,000 people that year. (Oh gawd NO, we cant tax him 4%)!!!
He says she didnt deserve it but the billionaire does. Well its the middleclass (Not sure if 333 is in there)that does all the spending in this country....100's of millions of us...not the 2-3 billionaires.
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« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2012, 04:43:30 PM » |
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OMG. Once again. When a union company is in an area local companies have an income standard to meet. Not as high as the union but as a welder in the union makes 27.00 an hour, the competing company across the street needs to put up its best number for a living wage. Maybe 19.00hr.
Now if NO unions are around then its a matter of what people are willing to work for. With no standard to meet it becomes neighbor against neighbor....Ill work for 12....Ill work for 8.....and down we go.
Also i notice 33333 says the clerical gal doesnt need security and 199k a year (He says thats not fair) But at the same time he'll support a CEO taking a 14 million dollar bonus as the company lays of 11,000 people that year. (Oh gawd NO, we cant tax him 4%)!!!
He says she didnt deserve it but the billionaire does. Well its the middleclass (Not sure if 333 is in there)that does all the spending in this country....100's of millions of us...not the 2-3 billionaires.
CEO can do clerical work - secretary can't be CEO Got it champ? |
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« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2012, 04:45:37 PM » |
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CEO can do clerical work - secretary can't be CEO
Got it champ?
CEO can't be a CEO without clerical help. But they can lay off thousands report a loss and still take millions in bonuses. Let's root for them because they have America's best interest at heart. |
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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2012, 04:47:03 PM » |
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CEO can't be a CEO without clerical help.
But they can lay off thousands report a loss and still take millions in bonuses.
Let's root for them because they have America's best interest at heart.
They are not supposed to have America's best interest at heart. |
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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2012, 04:47:21 PM » |
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CEO can do clerical work - secretary can't be CEO
Got it champ?
There would be no chiefs if there wasnt indians. Dont hate on the indians who made the chief. Got it? |
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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2012, 04:49:44 PM » |
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They are not supposed to have America's best interest at heart.
This is treason. Its a hallmark republican trait. Thats why theyre dying.... |
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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2012, 04:52:33 PM » |
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They are not supposed to have America's best interest at heart.
That's why we have Unions. |
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333386
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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2012, 04:52:53 PM » |
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This is treason. Its a hallmark republican trait. Thats why theyre dying....
The job of the CEP is to first and foremost look out for the bottom line of the company, nothing else. |
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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2012, 04:54:58 PM » |
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That's why we have Unions.
Exactly. And that answers the post above me too.....how predictable of 333333 |
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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2012, 04:57:11 PM » |
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Exactly. And that answers the post above me too.....how predictable of 333333
The law is that the CEO's first obligation is to shareholders - no one else. |
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« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2012, 04:58:25 PM » |
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The job of the CEP is to first and foremost look out for the bottom line of the company, nothing else.
Unfortunately that's not many of them don't do, in their short sightedness and greed. |
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« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2012, 04:59:38 PM » |
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These things are a double-edged sword.
Some Unions are great and do a great job making sure employees and shareholders benefit.
Some, just downright destructive
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« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2012, 05:01:52 PM » |
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The law is that the CEO's first obligation is to shareholders - no one else.
Yeah. And they rake in millions when they dismantle it and run it into the ground...(Ala Twitt Robme) And then lets shove it into an overseas account so America cant circulate it into the system......once again, Treason. |
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« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2012, 05:05:03 PM » |
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These things are a double-edged sword.
Some Unions are great and do a great job making sure employees and shareholders benefit.
Some, just downright destructive
That's the thing. Without Unions things would be worse. I think Unions overall got too powerful. |
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« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2012, 05:08:05 PM » |
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That's the thing. Without Unions things would be worse. I think Unions overall got too powerful.
I do agree also. But upper management doesnt take any hits or sacrifices.....this is where the problem is. You cant beat the shit outta someone and tell them its for their own good...(IE Middleclass worker) |
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« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2012, 05:48:22 PM » |
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The job of the CEP is to first and foremost look out for the bottom line of the company, nothing else.
So you support outsourcing, tax shelters, inside traiding etc? Then you should be voting repub. |
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« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2012, 07:09:07 PM » |
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So you support outsourcing, tax shelters, inside traiding etc?
Then you should be voting repub.
I quoting existing law , not pie in the sky bs |
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« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2012, 08:04:04 PM » |
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end all unions pensions right away
have private company get all current worker info and port hires through that corp
corp fires dooshes
done
end all union laws and disbar all lawyers who sue
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