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« on: December 03, 2012, 12:02:52 PM »

Strikers Have Shut Down Two Of The Most Important Economic Gateways In The World—And It's Costing The US Billions
 


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Strikes in the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach that began last Tuesday are delivering a blow to the U.S. economy.
 
Clerical workers from the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) Local 63 have been without a contract for 2.5 years, and negotiations between them and the ports broke down last Monday.
 
The ILWU has accused management of trying to outsource clerical jobs to overseas workers that are paid far less and receive fewer benefits.
 
Reuters reports that 10,000 dock workers that are members of the ILWU Local 63 are refusing to cross picket lines set up by 500 striking clerical workers, essentially shutting down 10 of 14 container terminals between the two ports.
 
Gluskin Sheff's David Rosenberg writes, "If you think Hurricane Sandy and the fiscal cliff are problematic for the economic backdrop, how about the strike (now in its fifth day) that has shut down the nation's busiest ports—LA and Long Beach?"
 
And with good reason. The impact of the strikes is estimated to be about $1 billion a day, and Matthew Shay, CEO of the National Retail Federation (NRF) has asked the White House to intervene in the  contract negotiations:
 
"A 10-day lockout at the West Coast ports as a result of stalled negotiations in 2002 led to lingering supply chain disruptions and cost the U.S. economy $1 billion for each day of the lockout. It took the ports a full six months to recover, and the strike had a profound impact on the retailers, importers, manufacturers, agricultural exporters and other affiliated industries that rely on the ports every day.
 
An extended strike this time could have a greater impact considering the fragile state of the U.S. economy."
 
But international trade economist Jock O'Connell told Mercury News the impact could be lower than the $1 billion-a-day estimate. And some point out that the strikes occurred during a historically weak period for international trade.
 
The two ports are the busiest ports in the country and support 1.2 million jobs in Southern California. Nine ships have so far been redirected to other ports, and many are concerned that this will impact its credibility and drive business away.
 
SEE ALSO: The Ultimate Guide To The Fiscal Cliff >


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/economic-impact-of-la-and-long-beach-port-strikes-2012-12#ixzz2E17dTEV4
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2012, 12:06:56 PM »

Strikers Have Shut Down Two Of The Most Important Economic Gateways In The World—And It's Costing The US Billions
 


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AP Photo/Nick Ut
Strikes in the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach that began last Tuesday are delivering a blow to the U.S. economy.
 
Clerical workers from the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) Local 63 have been without a contract for 2.5 years, and negotiations between them and the ports broke down last Monday.
 
The ILWU has accused management of trying to outsource clerical jobs to overseas workers that are paid far less and receive fewer benefits.
 
Reuters reports that 10,000 dock workers that are members of the ILWU Local 63 are refusing to cross picket lines set up by 500 striking clerical workers, essentially shutting down 10 of 14 container terminals between the two ports.
 
Gluskin Sheff's David Rosenberg writes, "If you think Hurricane Sandy and the fiscal cliff are problematic for the economic backdrop, how about the strike (now in its fifth day) that has shut down the nation's busiest ports—LA and Long Beach?"
 
And with good reason. The impact of the strikes is estimated to be about $1 billion a day, and Matthew Shay, CEO of the National Retail Federation (NRF) has asked the White House to intervene in the  contract negotiations:
 
"A 10-day lockout at the West Coast ports as a result of stalled negotiations in 2002 led to lingering supply chain disruptions and cost the U.S. economy $1 billion for each day of the lockout. It took the ports a full six months to recover, and the strike had a profound impact on the retailers, importers, manufacturers, agricultural exporters and other affiliated industries that rely on the ports every day.
 
An extended strike this time could have a greater impact considering the fragile state of the U.S. economy."
 
But international trade economist Jock O'Connell told Mercury News the impact could be lower than the $1 billion-a-day estimate. And some point out that the strikes occurred during a historically weak period for international trade.
 
The two ports are the busiest ports in the country and support 1.2 million jobs in Southern California. Nine ships have so far been redirected to other ports, and many are concerned that this will impact its credibility and drive business away.
 
SEE ALSO: The Ultimate Guide To The Fiscal Cliff >


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/economic-impact-of-la-and-long-beach-port-strikes-2012-12#ixzz2E17dTEV4

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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2012, 12:09:02 PM »

outsourcing good for America?

What are these "clerical workers" getting paid now? 

And WHY F have a union for clerical workers?  That's beyond absurd. 


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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2012, 12:13:08 PM »

What are these "clerical workers" getting paid now? 

And WHY F have a union for clerical workers?  That's beyond absurd. 




So companies can just bully them around and then outsource their jobs?  This is good for America?

A world without Unions is 3rd world today.
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2012, 12:16:15 PM »

So companies can just bully them around and then outsource their jobs?  This is good for America?

A world without Unions is 3rd world today.

 Roll Eyes   

Geez dude.   Unions only benefit those in them, not anyone else who has to pay higher prices and costs for goods as a result. 

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2012, 12:27:58 PM »

Roll Eyes   

Geez dude.   Unions only benefit those in them, not anyone else who has to pay higher prices and costs for goods as a result. 



 Roll Eyes Throw blankets on things much?  lol


If many companies had their way employees would get abused. 

IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, is out sourcing here good for America?

That's why i say, the only thing worse than Unions is not having any.

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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 12:31:03 PM »

Roll Eyes Throw blankets on things much?  lol


If many companies had their way employees would get abused. 

IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, is out sourcing here good for America?

That's why i say, the only thing worse than Unions is not having any.




A company is in business to make money for itself, not advance some notion of societal good etc. 

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2012, 12:34:44 PM »


A company is in business to make money for itself, not advance some notion of societal good etc. 



I agree, but employees also are in business to make money for themselves and therefor have the right to leverage a company to protect that right.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2012, 12:36:12 PM »

I agree, but employees also are in business to make money for themselves and therefor have the right to leverage a company to protect that right.

Ok fine - and when they harm a lot of people in the process who have nothing to do with this I have every right to point out that they are just as heartless, reckless, greedy, and destructive as those they are pointing the finger out. 

why can't these union thugs go get another job if they are not happy w the rate of pay? 
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2012, 12:38:57 PM »

fire all of them

give contract to some company to bring in new emplyees

erase all unions laws from books

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2012, 12:40:30 PM »

Ok fine - and when they harm a lot of people in the process who have nothing to do with this I have every right to point out that they are just as heartless, reckless, greedy, and destructive as those they are pointing the finger out. 

why can't these union thugs go get another job if they are not happy w the rate of pay? 

get another Job in the OB economy?   Hahahahahahaha  And why should they have too?  Why shouldn't they have the right to do what ever they need to do with in the law to protect their jobs?


Look i will never disagree that Unions in many cases got too big too powerful and have harmed this country in many ways, but to think the alternative, that all companies will do the right thing, is pure ignorance.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2012, 12:48:53 PM »

get another Job in the OB economy?   Hahahahahahaha  And why should they have too?  Why shouldn't they have the right to do what ever they need to do with in the law to protect their jobs?


Look i will never disagree that Unions in many cases got too big too powerful and have harmed this country in many ways, but to think the alternative, that all companies will do the right thing, is pure ignorance.


People who aquire skills that are needed and are in demand will be paid better than those like the "clerical union" people and somehow that makes no sense to these tools? 

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2012, 12:56:57 PM »


People who aquire skills that are needed and are in demand will be paid better than those like the "clerical union" people and somehow that makes no sense to these tools? 



Clerics and admin will always be needed in any large company.  Not everyone is on a position to "acquire" new skills and some love what they do. 

Banning together,  fighting and leveraging for better pay, conditions and not getting all their jobs outsourced is the only alternative.  And we live in a country where we are free to do that.  If we weren't then what would we be?
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 03:38:34 PM »

SoCal Port Strike Costing $1 Billion Per Day As Union Clerks Turn Down $190,000 Offer
 Red State ^ | December 4, 2012

Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:24:57 PM by 2ndDivisionVet

Among the nation’s shrinking union population, the unionized office workers at Southern California’s ports make more than most actors in the Screen Actors Guild. They make more than union construction workers, truck drivers, school teachers, cops, fire fighters, and just about any other unionized profession you can think of (with the possible exception of sports players).

In fact, other than union bosses themselves, it can be easily argued that the office workers at SoCal ports are the union movement’s crème de la crème. As the office workers’ union has, so far, rejected an offer bringing their total compensation to nearly $200,000–they have become the highest paid office workers in the nation and they have a no layoff provision in their contract.

They are the 1% among unionized workers…Which is why their strike—which is costing $1 billion per day—seems all the more ridiculous.

Unionized office workers at California’s Los Angeles and Long Beach ports have been on strike now for over a week and it’s costing the California economy a staggering $1 billion per day as dock workers refuse to cross the office workers’ picket lines and unloaded ships line up, anchored at sea.

Losses mounted Friday for the strike-hobbled local ports, where picketing clerical workers have closed nearly all cargo terminals at the nation’s busiest shipping complex.

The strike by the 800-member clerks union, which began Tuesday, is creating losses estimated at $1 billion a day, including forfeited worker pay, missing revenue for truckers and other businesses and the value of cargo that has been diverted to other ports...


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Yeah Ozmo - these people are really oppressed.   What the fuck ever.   
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2012, 03:45:02 PM »

the issue isn't about compensation as much as its about job security.

Is outsourcing good for America?
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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2012, 03:47:31 PM »

the issue isn't about compensation as much as its about job security.

Ever think the fact that are grotesqly paid for that job is what is threatening the job more than anything? 

WTF is "job security"?    So some lazy slug at 199k a year deserves "security" why? 



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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2012, 03:49:04 PM »

Ever think the fact that are grotesqly paid for that job is what is threatening the job more than anything? 

WTF is "job security"?    So some lazy slug at 199k a year deserves "security" why? 





is outsourcing good for America?

This is what corps do if they can.  Why shouldn't workers  do what they can to leverage against  it?
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2012, 03:50:43 PM »

the issue isn't about compensation as much as its about job security.

Is outsourcing good for America?

Outsourcing is bad for America although some jobs are had to have done by Americans.
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2012, 03:54:00 PM »

is outsourcing good for America?

This is what corps do if they can.  Why shouldn't workers  do what they can to leverage against  it?


And guess what - when these greedy union slobs close down the company everyone gets hurt. 

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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2012, 03:55:47 PM »


And guess what - when these greedy union slobs close down the company everyone gets hurt. 



guess what, these greedy corps outsource jobs AMERICA get hurt.

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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2012, 03:57:13 PM »

guess what, these greedy corps outsource jobs AMERICA get hurt.

any more simpleton antidotes?

 Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

Do you even have even the most basic understanding what some companies have to out-source production? 

You cant pay office workers 200k a year for fucks sake and survive as a company. 
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2012, 04:00:34 PM »

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

Do you even have even the most basic understanding what some companies have to out-source production? 

You cant pay office workers 200k a year for fucks sake and survive as a company. 

So then you think outsourcing is good for America?

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2012, 04:03:41 PM »

So then you think outsourcing is good for America?

I see.


Whatever.   The reason there is so much outsourcing is because this country is no longer a low cost place to do busuiness as it once was and presents many disadvantages to a business between insane regulations, costs, taxes, lawsuits, conflicting state laws, workers comp laws, etc.   

Its not only cost of labor.   

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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2012, 04:05:53 PM »


Whatever.   The reason there is so much outsourcing is because this country is no longer a low cost place to do busuiness as it once was and presents many disadvantages to a business between insane regulations, costs, taxes, lawsuits, conflicting state laws, workers comp laws, etc.   

Its not only cost of labor.   



Yeah, its a wonder ANY company is still here.   Cheesy 

But you still seem to be saying outsourcing is good for America.
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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2012, 04:09:16 PM »

Let's just return to the way is was:

sweat shops
child labor
poverty wages
12 hour shifts 7 days a week no holidays
NO UNIONS
no structured time off
NO insurance in case of sickness or injury, because shame on those losers, the whole family deserves to starve.


lets have no taxes, no government  blah blah blah blah

Obama is a kenyan coke addict.
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