Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?

[Man of Steel]

What if YOU are wrong and this god you've worshipped isn't the right god, and the real god is pissed you dissed him by following this Allah character? That is as likely a scenario as any

It's important to pick the correct God.

[TrueBB93]

What if YOU are wrong and this god you've worshipped isn't the right god, and the real god is pissed you dissed him by following this Allah character? That is as likely a scenario as any

Do you know what Allah means? it means God. you people act as if Allah means somthing else. Allah=God. So there for how can some "diss" God if they worship God? Also you seem to hate the truth. Allah is the one true and only god which means God is God, no partners, rivals, idols, sons ect and these videos prove what islam is claiming: that god sent down messengers to deliver the same message. yet some humans changed the messeage or disbelieved completely. and dont give me some BS about "im not watching that" becuase it takes less them 2 minutes. 

Watch these Videos, and do the following:


Go to 1:03-1:10 in 1st video and THEN go to 6:40-7:05 in the same video
and then in the 2nd video go to :50-1:07 Listen to what he says about it

[tbombz]

It's important to pick the correct God.
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[arce1988]

  ALL I see is misery and death. What god allows that?

[Man of Steel]

  ALL I see is misery and death. What god allows that?

Move.

[arce1988]

  Tell my why god allows every wrong thing to happen? Children raped, beaten, killed, starved, etc.,

[tbombz]

  Tell my why god allows every wrong thing to happen? Children raped, beaten, killed, starved, etc.,

if god intervened in your affairs to not allow you the ability to do evil, would you really have free will? would you be an independent entity?

without suffering, could you evolve spiritually?

without down, would you appreciate up?

[arce1988]

  NO such thing as FREE will. Peter was FORCED to deny Jesus three times. It was his destiny mandated by Jesus. Same thing with Jonah, etc.,   these people were forced

[arce1988]

  My Heaven.

[lovemonkey]

We have no choice but to have free will.

[cephissus]

  NO such thing as FREE will. Peter was FORCED to deny Jesus three times. It was his destiny mandated by Jesus. Same thing with Jonah, etc.,   these people were forced

wise words

[arce1988]

  Think about it. If you are forced to live a destiny that you have NO ability to change... WHERE is your free will? NO such thing.

[tbombz]

  NO such thing as FREE will. Peter was FORCED to deny Jesus three times. It was his destiny mandated by Jesus. Same thing with Jonah, etc.,   these people were forced

if your thinking on the issue is limited to man made stories, then i fear i wasnt addressing you appropriately.

i would encourage you to remove ideas based on scripture from your head before you start wondering about metaphysics.

[arce1988]

  Just an example for the mostly Christians    same with Islam, etc.,    I do NOT believe in ANY of them


  you brought up free will

[tbombz]

free will is a topic completely unrelated to the stories people read in books.

stories are just that= stories.

[arce1988]

  Where do you get free will then? From MP?

[tbombz]

are you seriously suggesting that free will isnt possible without story books?

[a_ahmed]

  My Heaven.

I recommend the non muslims to listen to this.

[syntaxmachine]

Bro serious, no offence but I am not going to read your post, it is to long and a waste of time. Bro we go long back and 90% of our bickering is cause you want everything politically correct, always arguing on grammar, terminology and really not talking about the subject at hand. OK we get it you are smart and educated but for crying out loud bro you sure waste a lot of time beating around the bush.

Arguably, a large part of complex conversations about the world ought to be determining just what people are talking about. Talking about the words we use and the meanings we are trying to get across isn't a waste of time at all, especially when certain people in the conversation throw around terms they don't necessarily understand.

I'm not trying to come across as smart and educated because I don't think I'm particularly smart or educated -- I just think there are lots of dumb people.

Anyway, to make things simple, all subsequent responses I make will be with a device called the 'objectivator,' which simply assigns a score to your post on the basis of whether it accurately limns the objective structure of reality or not. I've programmed it so that it will also provide links to basic information disproving you where you are wrong.

Like I said infinity is not a rational concept. It is fairy tale, it is not and can not be real. From a mathematical perspective it does not exist, hence it makes no sense. Give me 2 numbers that add up to infinity. You can not. It can not be divided or multiplied, it simply is an illusion, not real, get over it.

-1

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/working-with-infinity.html

[TrueBB93]

yeah, tell me about free will when someone is pointing a gun to my head

come on man think, dudes got a gun pointed at you right? he had the free will to do what hes doing, and you can either attack him, run, comply with what he tells you. why is it so hard?

[TrueBB93]

rememeber in math class? the ones, tens, hundreds, thousands, ten thousand well after time its going to read millions then billion then triilions and it keeps going...infiniti is real and rational

 keeps going forever

.0001
.001
.01
.1
1
10
100
1000
10000
100000
1000000
...forever goes

[OTHstrong]

rememeber in math class? the ones, tens, hundreds, thousands, ten thousand well after time its going to read millions then billion then triilions and it keeps going...infiniti is real and rational

 keeps going forever

.0001
.001
.01
.1
1
10
100
1000
10000
100000
1000000
...forever goes

That part is easy to understand, no one is talking about that. There is nothing on the other side of the = sign.

The mathematical meaning of the term "actual" in actual infinity is synonymous with definite, completed, extended or existential,[1] but not to be mistaken for physically existing. The question of whether natural or real numbers form definite sets is therefore independent of the question of whether infinite things exist physically in nature.

[OTHstrong]

i agree, to measure with human brain doesnt cut either option.

some nasa scientist once said, for the stuf they cant explain yet about the universe, they refer further to the bible.

the big bang, i can understand how it happened, theres layman explanations, but if it was the first one or even the start of everything is unknown even to the top scientists.

and i think that they just take wild guesses on black holes, none of how they work is proven.

Thank you, finally someone can admit it, PhD Necrosis and PhD syntaxmachine think that eternal, infinity or whatever term you want to use to measure the past is clear and perfectly measurable with our brain in the same way 1+1=2.

[Man of Steel]

I have a PhD.....in being freakin awesome.

[orion]

That part is easy to understand, no one is talking about that. There is nothing on the other side of the = sign.

The mathematical meaning of the term "actual" in actual infinity is synonymous with definite, completed, extended or existential,[1] but not to be mistaken for physically existing. The question of whether natural or real numbers form definite sets is therefore independent of the question of whether infinite things exist physically in nature.

Nothing physical can exist infinitely.  Even the stars will cease to exist.