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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #275 on: December 18, 2012, 04:16:04 AM »
It's pretty clear that either of these terms really means "what I'm able to comprehend" and/or "whatever is in line with my intuitions" to you. Now, they have definite meanings besides the way you use them, and I encourage you to look these up and see whether what you say is still true -- or even meaningful -- under the new (proper) readings of the terms.


Who cares, my point was understood. Stop trying to put a twist on things to sound smart, this is getbig not University, relax  ;)

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #276 on: December 18, 2012, 04:21:27 AM »
Who cares, my point was understood. Stop trying to put a twist on things to sound smart, this is getbig not University, relax  ;)

you see the problem is your point was not understood, because you are dead wrong, perhaps because you have no idea what you are talking about.

A theory is a collection of facts that explains those facts. The big bang best explains the epochs, expansion, red shift etc.

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #277 on: December 18, 2012, 04:34:59 AM »
you see the problem is your point was not understood, because you are dead wrong, perhaps because you have no idea what you are talking about.

A theory is a collection of facts that explains those facts. The big bang best explains the epochs, expansion, red shift etc.
My point is understood, but you are just playing dumb, you know full well what I mean. So let me explain it again in kindergarden terms so you can understand.

A beginning does not make sense, no need to explain this since you already did a few pages back, OK you following? good,...  Now something that is eternal also does not make sense cause you can not explain it in any rational way. Oh I better not use that word "rational", ok then going backward forever and ever has no logic, Oh I better not used that word either ooops. See how stupid you are? use any word you want but the bottom line is the concept of eternal is not compatible with human understanding, it can not be explained.

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #278 on: December 18, 2012, 04:38:48 AM »
Opinions count for nothing^^^, both scenarios are neither rational nor logical to the human brain

One of the scenarios has a very precise and empirical evidence, what does other scenario have, aside an imagination?

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #279 on: December 18, 2012, 04:38:59 AM »
Who cares, my point was understood. Stop trying to put a twist on things to sound smart, this is getbig not University, relax  ;)

We don't know what your point is and it's entirely possible you didn't actually have one in mind when you locked in your post.

If you're using the standard meanings of the words in question then you're wrong: there simply isn't anything irrational or illogical about either explanation the physicist may give (though that doesn't mean either answer is correct).

Meanwhile, if all you're saying is that either explanation is confusing, weird, or not in line with your intuitions, then you haven't said much of anything: the right answer is going to be weird either way, and nobody cares what your personal intuitions say about the matter (they just aren't relevant in determining the way the world works).

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #280 on: December 18, 2012, 04:45:20 AM »
ok lets see, it doesnt seem to be on earth.

now, outside the earth, in the universe, its not habitable, its either too cold or too hot in space, depending where you are.

another thing is, it requires physical death to get there afaik, so how the ones of muslim faith think they will benefit from the virgins promised to them?

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once you die, you'll find out if heaven or hell really exist

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #281 on: December 18, 2012, 04:48:20 AM »
We don't know what your point is and it's entirely possible you didn't actually have one in mind when you locked in your post.

If you're using the standard meanings of the words in question then you're wrong: there simply isn't anything irrational or illogical about either explanation the physicist may give (though that doesn't mean either answer is correct).

Meanwhile, if all you're saying is that either explanation is confusing, weird, or not in line with your intuitions, then you haven't said much of anything: the right answer is going to be weird either way, and nobody cares what your personal intuitions say about the matter (they just aren't relevant in determining the way the world works).
Games, how childish are we, you just argued that you were not aware of what I meant, which I find pretty stupid, I mean a grade 2 would have understood. So you continued to hold that position then you write this^^^^(the last paragraph) wow bravo. You are either incredibly dumb to not have understood or you were playing dumb, either way you accomplished nothing.
 oh and it is not my intuition, no human can explain infinity, the concept is flawed. Eternity is flawed in the same manner. Wake up stop playing dumb.

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #282 on: December 18, 2012, 05:34:04 AM »
It's funny how cockroaches/dusts OF THE dusts of the universe, think they are "important enough" to have something like "heaven" or "hell" lol.. Oh that homo-centrism... (or maybe apes too dream of heavan and praise their own gods? Does they have a god that wrote them a "life manual" in the form of a holly book? Holly.. tree? or maybe a holly bannana? This remains to be answered..).

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #283 on: December 18, 2012, 05:49:30 AM »
i sense arrogance. i think the root of athiesm is arrogance. they cannot accepct the fact there are just a mere creation, without any power to do things themselves. they say "you are afraid of the unknown, or afraid of death" but infact THEY are the ones afraid.

why is the creator exempt? because he makes the rules! did your parents ever tell you "as long you live under my roof, you follow my rules?". imagine a parent tells their kid his bed time is 9:00 pm, does the kid have the right to say "but dad you stay up to 11:30 pm watching tv, why are you exempt from the rule?".

God has power to do all things, i mean why is this so hard to grasp? there is no "rules". God does what he wants period! if God wants he can strike you with lighting right now, or turn you into a monkey, or into a rock ect. so when the matter comes to eternity, God is eternal, just becuase you cannot grasp the idea dosent mean it dosent exsist.  

Arrogance? Isnt that a creationists position? Blindly accept a god. Dont ask questions just beleive. Rubbish. What if god doesnt exist except in your head? Just becuase you cannot grasp that idea doesnt prove he exists. See it can go both ways. You stick to your theoretical  magic man as the answer to everything. I'll actually wait for verification from the magic man himself not through the words of his audience.

You're comparing parents tangible humans that you can see with a invisible being who has yet to reveal himself other than through other people? Your parents are real and you can verify that. Heres another delusion for you. Santa claus. When you're a kid you're told the is a santa who brings gifts. Ypu're a kid so you want those gifts and are easily fooled. However once you become an adult that delusion melts away and You realize it was your parents all a long. Its harmles but you understand as an adult that it wasnt real. YOu still beleive in that santa claus as an adult becuase you dont want to let go of that reality that comforts you. That you'll get gifts for your devotion for being good. Guess what plenty of religious people do bad things and they dont get struck dead by god. Who cares whether they get judged in heaven. On earth they do plenty of damage without consequences. Thats like a fireman putting out a fire after its already gutted the house. Why cant god intercede and save his flock ealier? Oh right becuase its all a ( according to man) test ::). As for god striking me dead for blasphemy..whats stopping him so far. I seem to be getting rewarded for my disbelief considering how well things are going in my life currently. :D

the god delusion is spread by faliable humans who fear the darkness and would rather spend his time cowering rather than light a candle to try to see in the darkness.

As i said before if god did exist why all the speculation and why speak through one person? If god was so all powerful he can reach out to everyone and would have ended this debate eons ago. Its mans arrogrogance and need for control thqt he needs a god tool to keep the masses in check. Why does there need to be a prohet when he can call up everyone in one go? Probably because its just mans own creation so it cqn be used by select individuals to gqin control. Theres a reason why thee arent prophets today who can walk on water etc. Because that shit doesnt fool people so easily today. Oh wait scientology..hey that could be a valid theory too. Prove that its not alien seeds

Will the real "god" (slim shady) please speak up...please speak up.

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #284 on: December 18, 2012, 05:53:42 AM »

once you die, you'll find out if heaven or hell really exist

Exactly. However since no one has come back from the dead to prove or disprove heaven or hell it remains a man made theory.

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #285 on: December 18, 2012, 06:14:44 AM »
Exactly. However since no one has come back from the dead to prove or disprove heaven or hell it remains a man made theory.
Let's pretend half the world died and came back from the dead and said there is a heaven. Nothing would change at all, you would still write what you wrote here exactly in the same manner because as long as it was not you you still would not believe it.

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #286 on: December 18, 2012, 06:15:55 AM »
13 pages and still no GPS fix!?     

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #287 on: December 18, 2012, 06:28:03 AM »
Let's pretend half the world died and came back from the dead and said there is a heaven. Nothing would change at all, you would still write what you wrote here exactly in the same manner because as long as it was not you you still would not believe it.

Nope if there is valid proof i would change my stance immdiately. Why would i cling to a belief that just got disproved. Not everyone on the planet has been to the moon but a few atronauts. But everyone has sufficient evidence to beleive they made a trip there. However if it turns out that it was a cinematical fraud then i wont cling to the now disproved belief that people went up there.

 Science will frequently disprove some of its older theories when new evidence comes up. It doesnt mean science explains everything and the be all end all.. It does mean tha science  doesnt cling to a fixed truth in the light of new evidence.

As i said before if god does exist he can call me up anytime. I'll change my stance immdiately dude.

As for how i'd face a hypothetical judgement day? I'll face it on my feet and not on my knees.

I dont do blind faith. God should know that since he apparently created me. ;)

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #288 on: December 18, 2012, 06:28:50 AM »

Amended

13 pages and still no GPS fix ON GOD!?     

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #289 on: December 18, 2012, 06:29:27 AM »
13 pages and still no GPS fix!?     

I'm checking Musclephone(tm) -- I have it set to update me when we get the locale.

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #290 on: December 18, 2012, 06:29:54 AM »
noble price potential right there ;D

well if Obama can get one why cant I?  :P

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #291 on: December 18, 2012, 06:31:07 AM »
Question. Are tapeworms and gerbils also up for "judgement" also? ???

yes... in islam EVERYTHING gets judged. although not like humans.

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #292 on: December 18, 2012, 06:32:21 AM »
you just argued that you were not aware of what I meant. So you continued to hold that position then you write this^^^^(the last paragraph)

It still wasn't clear which of the two interpretations you actually meant; now it looks like you mean the second. But you could see where people might get confused: you used two words that have literally nothing to do with what you mean (and incorrectly at that) in an attempt to express your meaning. In other words, what you meant is different than what you said. And that is liable to get awfully confusing to everybody else; we aren't clairvoyant you know.

If you learned a bit more English we wouldn't have to decipher your posts like this in the first place!  8)

oh and it is not my intuition, no human can explain infinity, the concept is flawed.

Which concept is flawed? There isn't any one concept denoted by the word. It functions as a technical term in mathematics and has been defined there in a variety of ways (I'm sure avxo could explain it to both of us), meaning that the term in one of its senses is perfectly explainable. And I'm sure there's correspondence between the mathematical and physicist notions of infinity seeing that physics is mostly math-based.

The larger point is that the word is perfectly explainable because it is a term introduced into a theory, its meaning stipulated in advance. This is the notion used by physicists to explain certain properties of the universe. If there is a commonsense notion out there that doesn't make sense, then so much the worse for that notion; the physicist's explanations won't be affected.

Given the division of labor in societies, it is for the specialists in the field the term was introduced into to decide its veracity, not semi-literate roofers. Let's put some of that Christian humility on display and recognize this fact. (Actually, I don't think there is any such thing, but I could be wrong.)

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #293 on: December 18, 2012, 07:00:55 AM »
Bro serious, no offence but I am not going to read your post, it is to long and a waste of time. Bro we go long back and 90% of our bickering is cause you want everything politically correct, always arguing on grammar, terminology and really not talking about the subject at hand. OK we get it you are smart and educated but for crying out loud bro you sure waste a lot of time beating around the bush.

Like I said infinity is not a rational concept. It is fairy tale, it is not and can not be real. From a mathematical perspective it does not exist, hence it makes no sense. Give me 2 numbers that add up to infinity. You can not. It can not be divided or multiplied, it simply is an illusion, not real, get over it.

And for your information I was born in Costa Rica, speaking Spanish. English is my second language so sue me :P  :) :D ;D

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #294 on: December 18, 2012, 07:04:07 AM »
yes you get that often in GetBig .. kids still at school trying to show how clever they are with big words but never getting to the fucking point !!

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #295 on: December 18, 2012, 07:13:11 AM »
yes you get that often in GetBig .. kids still at school trying to show how clever they are with big words but never getting to the fucking point !!
so true

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #296 on: December 18, 2012, 12:34:13 PM »
Bro serious, no offence but I am not going to read your post, it is to long and a waste of time. Bro we go long back and 90% of our bickering is cause you want everything politically correct, always arguing on grammar, terminology and really not talking about the subject at hand. OK we get it you are smart and educated but for crying out loud bro you sure waste a lot of time beating around the bush.

Like I said infinity is not a rational concept. It is fairy tale, it is not and can not be real. From a mathematical perspective it does not exist, hence it makes no sense. Give me 2 numbers that add up to infinity. You can not. It can not be divided or multiplied, it simply is an illusion, not real, get over it.

And for your information I was born in Costa Rica, speaking Spanish. English is my second language so sue me :P  :) :D ;D

Have you studied college level calculus?
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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #297 on: December 18, 2012, 12:46:00 PM »
Bullshit bro, I don't buy that for 1 second. Who ever named her was a devil worshipper. I studied Freemason and Satanic worship and they all give their children these names like Delilah and Jezebel and to have them both is certainly no coincidence, her parents or whoever named her were devil worshippers for sure. Jezebel and Delilah are the most evil names in the Bible.

You are joking right?

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #298 on: December 18, 2012, 12:53:21 PM »
i sense arrogance. i think the root of athiesm is arrogance. they cannot accepct the fact there are just a mere creation, without any power to do things themselves. they say "you are afraid of the unknown, or afraid of death" but infact THEY are the ones afraid.

why is the creator exempt? because he makes the rules! did your parents ever tell you "as long you live under my roof, you follow my rules?". imagine a parent tells their kid his bed time is 9:00 pm, does the kid have the right to say "but dad you stay up to 11:30 pm watching tv, why are you exempt from the rule?".

God has power to do all things, i mean why is this so hard to grasp? there is no "rules". God does what he wants period! if God wants he can strike you with lighting right now, or turn you into a monkey, or into a rock ect. so when the matter comes to eternity, God is eternal, just becuase you cannot grasp the idea dosent mean it dosent exsist. 

Man, you've been wrong all day...does it ever get tiring?

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Re: Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?
« Reply #299 on: December 18, 2012, 12:54:30 PM »
Ok now let me ask you a simple question: what if your worng? what if you wake up on judgement day?

What if YOU are wrong and this god you've worshipped isn't the right god, and the real god is pissed you dissed him by following this Allah character? That is as likely a scenario as any