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Yes, We Should Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting



In Newtown, Connecticut yesterday, the United States’ culture of violence flared up yet again in an especially tragic and gruesome way when Adam Lanza reportedly shot and killed 27 people, including 20 children and his mother, and killed himself at Sandy Hook Elementary School.   According to a comprehensive report by Mother Jones magazine, this killing rampage is just the latest of more than 60 mass killings that have occurred throughout the nation since the early 1980s.  And while high profile, mass killings account for only a small portion of total firearm homicides in the US, which numbered more than 11,500 in 2009.

Whenever a heinous murder spree like the one in Connecticut yesterday occurs, gun rights activists offer two responses.  The first is to argue that killings like these could have been prevented if there were more guns in our society.  For example, Larry Pratt, the executive director of Gun Owners of America, responded to the Newtown tragedy by stating that:

    Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands. Federal and state laws combined to insure that no teacher, no administrator, no adult had a gun at the Newtown school where the children were murdered. This tragedy underscores the urgency of getting rid of gun bans in school zones. The only thing accomplished by gun free zones is to insure that mass murderers can slay more before they are finally confronted by someone with a gun.

This view that the solution to gun violence is more guns is a common one among gun fanatics – for example, the Republican-controlled legislature in Michigan on Thursday passed a law, which Governor Rick Snyder (R-MI) is still evaluating, that would allow concealed weapons in bars, schools, child-care centers, colleges, hospitals, and places of worship. It is also a view that is flatly wrong.   While it is hypothetically possible that a teacher could have stopped the shooting in Newtown if he or she had been armed, the far more likely result if multiple people in such a situation are armed is a shootout that could lead to even more deaths and mayhem.  And a wide array of scientific research bears that point out, by demonstrating that the higher the number of guns in a society, the higher the number of firearm homicides.

The second major response to mass killings offered by gun rights activists is to try to squelch any discussion of guns in the wake of the killing by claiming that we should not “politicize” the situation by talking about guns at a time when families and the nation are mourning the victims of yet another shooting. But this response is utter poppycock.  To “politicize” something means to make it “political” which, in turn, means simply that the issue relates to or deals with the affairs of government, politics, or the state.  The death of 27 people, including 20 children, at the hands of an individual who was able to obtain weapons better suited for military or police work is already an issue that relates to or deals with affairs of government or the state.  In fact, as Ezra Klein has pointed out, gun rights activists are themselves politicizing the issue by trying to prevent a discussion of gun laws in order to preserve the status quo of little regulation of gun possession.  And gun control advocates can only change that status quo if they treat this as the political issue it is.  If anything, using the Newtown massacre to help get stricter gun legislation passed so that schoolchildren will be less likely to be killed by a firearm would demonstrate a compassionate understanding of the situation, not an inappropriate politicization of an already political tragedy.

To the gun rights activists who offer spurious claims of politicization to argue that now is not the time to discuss our nation’s gun laws, Winning Progressive asks when is the right time to discuss these issues?

- If the  firearm killing of 27 people, including 20 children, is not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), and killing of six others was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the firearm killing of eight people in a salon in Seal Beach, California in 2011 was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the firearm killing of five people in an IHOP in Carson City, Nevada in 2011 was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the firearm killing of seven people at Oikos University in Oakland, California earlier this year was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the killing of twelve people and injuring of fifty-eight people in a shooting spree in an Aurora, Colorado movie theater was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the shooting deaths of 11,500 people nationwide in 2009 was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the firearm killing of 33 people and injuring of 23 people at Virginia Tech in 2007 was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

While gun rights fanatics may not be able to answer these questions, Winning Progressive believes that the time to discuss and strengthen our nation’s gun laws is now.  Such laws should be based on the core principal that with the right to bear arms comes responsibility to make sure that guns are used safely, that they do not fall into the wrong hands, and that ownership of the most powerful weapons that are clearly meant for little else than killing people is restricted or forbidden.  Consistent with that core principal, we need common sense gun legislation that reinstates the assault weapon ban, fixes the gun checks system, closes the gun show loophole, bans ammunition clips that hold more than 10 rounds, and makes it easier for police to trace guns that are used in a crime and to revoke the licenses of corrupt gun dealers.

In order to get such common sense gun control legislation passed, we must all raise our voices in demanding government action gun control.  You can help do that by:

- Contacting President Obama - 202-456-1111 – and urging him to show leadership on the issue of gun control

- Write a letter to your local newspaper editor in support of common sense gun control laws

- Support the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, both of which are working to establish sensible gun control laws in the US
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2012, 08:14:15 PM »
Sorry Benny, no.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2012, 08:16:22 PM »
Great Great Grandpa used say the best way to politicize slavery as a viable economic interest is to buy low and sell high.  

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2012, 08:16:38 PM »
Unfortunately Gun Nutters couldn't give a flying FUCK about anyone else but themselves - this is the PROBLEM!  Normal people make sacrifices to provide a safe and secure community, GUN NUTTERS never will!

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2012, 08:18:53 PM »
Great Great Grandpa used to say that birds would fly upside down when they would fly over the slaves in the field because their wasn`t one worth shitting on.  Great Great Grandpa had a way with words you could say.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2012, 08:19:05 PM »
Unfortunately Gun Nutters couldn't give a flying FUCK about anyone else but themselves - this is the PROBLEM!  Normal people make sacrifices to provide a safe and secure community, GUN NUTTERS never will!


She was murdered by her own son. I don't think a gun was the thing that made that whole murder possible.  ::)

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 08:26:27 PM »
Unfortunately Gun Nutters couldn't give a flying FUCK about anyone else but themselves - this is the PROBLEM!  Normal people make sacrifices to provide a safe and secure community, GUN NUTTERS never will!



How do you know she wasn't killed trying to keep her fully legal guns away from her obviously sick son?

She could have died heroically for all we know.


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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2012, 08:27:27 PM »


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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2012, 08:28:07 PM »
How do you know she wasn't killed trying to keep her fully legal guns away from her obviously sick son?

She could have died heroically for all we know.


Luckily for Grandpa, he was already born a hero.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2012, 08:32:55 PM »
Simple fact.. Guns are not gong away.. Even if you did the impossible the "bad guys" would still have them without a way of tracing it.. Another fact that he FBI even agrees wih in statistics is that if concealed carry would have been used by any one of the teachers it may have been a short day for the asshole.. So since guns are not going by by we need armed guards at every school period.. We also need to remember that this guy used not a assault rifle by pistols.. These are not even on the radar..

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2012, 08:33:19 PM »
Luckily for Grandpa, he was already born a hero.

I'm not sure I get the reference?

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2012, 08:33:45 PM »
Yes, We Should Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting



In Newtown, Connecticut yesterday, the United States’ culture of violence flared up yet again in an especially tragic and gruesome way when Adam Lanza reportedly shot and killed 27 people, including 20 children and his mother, and killed himself at Sandy Hook Elementary School.   According to a comprehensive report by Mother Jones magazine, this killing rampage is just the latest of more than 60 mass killings that have occurred throughout the nation since the early 1980s.  And while high profile, mass killings account for only a small portion of total firearm homicides in the US, which numbered more than 11,500 in 2009.

Whenever a heinous murder spree like the one in Connecticut yesterday occurs, gun rights activists offer two responses.  The first is to argue that killings like these could have been prevented if there were more guns in our society.  For example, Larry Pratt, the executive director of Gun Owners of America, responded to the Newtown tragedy by stating that:

    Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands. Federal and state laws combined to insure that no teacher, no administrator, no adult had a gun at the Newtown school where the children were murdered. This tragedy underscores the urgency of getting rid of gun bans in school zones. The only thing accomplished by gun free zones is to insure that mass murderers can slay more before they are finally confronted by someone with a gun.

This view that the solution to gun violence is more guns is a common one among gun fanatics – for example, the Republican-controlled legislature in Michigan on Thursday passed a law, which Governor Rick Snyder (R-MI) is still evaluating, that would allow concealed weapons in bars, schools, child-care centers, colleges, hospitals, and places of worship. It is also a view that is flatly wrong.   While it is hypothetically possible that a teacher could have stopped the shooting in Newtown if he or she had been armed, the far more likely result if multiple people in such a situation are armed is a shootout that could lead to even more deaths and mayhem.  And a wide array of scientific research bears that point out, by demonstrating that the higher the number of guns in a society, the higher the number of firearm homicides.

The second major response to mass killings offered by gun rights activists is to try to squelch any discussion of guns in the wake of the killing by claiming that we should not “politicize” the situation by talking about guns at a time when families and the nation are mourning the victims of yet another shooting. But this response is utter poppycock.  To “politicize” something means to make it “political” which, in turn, means simply that the issue relates to or deals with the affairs of government, politics, or the state.  The death of 27 people, including 20 children, at the hands of an individual who was able to obtain weapons better suited for military or police work is already an issue that relates to or deals with affairs of government or the state.  In fact, as Ezra Klein has pointed out, gun rights activists are themselves politicizing the issue by trying to prevent a discussion of gun laws in order to preserve the status quo of little regulation of gun possession.  And gun control advocates can only change that status quo if they treat this as the political issue it is.  If anything, using the Newtown massacre to help get stricter gun legislation passed so that schoolchildren will be less likely to be killed by a firearm would demonstrate a compassionate understanding of the situation, not an inappropriate politicization of an already political tragedy.

To the gun rights activists who offer spurious claims of politicization to argue that now is not the time to discuss our nation’s gun laws, Winning Progressive asks when is the right time to discuss these issues?

- If the  firearm killing of 27 people, including 20 children, is not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), and killing of six others was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the firearm killing of eight people in a salon in Seal Beach, California in 2011 was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the firearm killing of five people in an IHOP in Carson City, Nevada in 2011 was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the firearm killing of seven people at Oikos University in Oakland, California earlier this year was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the killing of twelve people and injuring of fifty-eight people in a shooting spree in an Aurora, Colorado movie theater was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the shooting deaths of 11,500 people nationwide in 2009 was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

- If the firearm killing of 33 people and injuring of 23 people at Virginia Tech in 2007 was not the right time to discuss gun laws, when is?

While gun rights fanatics may not be able to answer these questions, Winning Progressive believes that the time to discuss and strengthen our nation’s gun laws is now.  Such laws should be based on the core principal that with the right to bear arms comes responsibility to make sure that guns are used safely, that they do not fall into the wrong hands, and that ownership of the most powerful weapons that are clearly meant for little else than killing people is restricted or forbidden.  Consistent with that core principal, we need common sense gun legislation that reinstates the assault weapon ban, fixes the gun checks system, closes the gun show loophole, bans ammunition clips that hold more than 10 rounds, and makes it easier for police to trace guns that are used in a crime and to revoke the licenses of corrupt gun dealers.

In order to get such common sense gun control legislation passed, we must all raise our voices in demanding government action gun control.  You can help do that by:

- Contacting President Obama - 202-456-1111 – and urging him to show leadership on the issue of gun control

- Write a letter to your local newspaper editor in support of common sense gun control laws

- Support the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, both of which are working to establish sensible gun control laws in the US


Dumbass liberal robot Benny, you wait until incident has calmed down when.its not a knee jerk reaction. Personally, if some of those teachers would have been armed, this might not have happend.Or at least minimize the fatalities. Yeah, dummy. Take our guns....

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2012, 08:35:24 PM »
guns are a sign of weakness

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2012, 08:37:22 PM »
Simple fact.. Guns are not gong away.. Even if you did the impossible the "bad guys" would still have them without a way of tracing it.. Another fact that he FBI even agrees wih in statistics is that if concealed carry would have been used by any one of the teachers it may have been a short day for the asshole.. So since guns are not going by by we need armed guards at every school period.. We also need to remember that this guy used not a assault rifle by pistols.. These are not even on the radar..

So instead of getting crazy people help, we should keep innocent law abiding citizens from protecting themselves?

Should we ban airplanes so that crazy people don't fly them into buildings anymore?

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2012, 08:37:40 PM »
true.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2012, 08:38:56 PM »
guns are a sign of weakness

If someone come through my sons.bedroom window in the middle of the night and I blow hos head clean off, then call me weak.

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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2012, 08:42:36 PM »
If someone come through my sons.bedroom window in the middle of the night and I blow hos head clean off, then call me weak.
Grandpa got a few medals for doing just that, only they didn`t come through the window in the middle of the night.  They were Japs coming over the hill at Guadalcanal.  Grandpa still smiled when he told of the time he made an ascott out of a dead Japs uniform.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2012, 08:46:47 PM »
Hockey.. Of course mentally Ill  people need help.. Don't know where ya got that.. But guess what?  This particular nut job was not on anyone's radar.. Can't offer help if no one, even his family, thought it was not a issue.. So I am a bit confused by your response.. We are talking about guns..

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2012, 08:49:35 PM »
Grandpa got a few medals for doing just that, only they didn`t come through the window in the middle of the night.  They were Japs coming over the hill at Guadalcanal.  Grandpa still smiled when he told of the time he made an ascott out of a dead Japs uniform.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2012, 08:53:55 PM »
guns are a sign of weakness

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2012, 08:56:39 PM »
Hockey.. Of course mentally Ill  people need help.. Don't know where ya got that.. But guess what?  This particular nut job was not on anyone's radar.. Can't offer help if no one, even his family, thought it was not a issue.. So I am a bit confused by your response.. We are talking about guns..

People killed before guns were ever invented. Guns themselves have no intention or motive. Focus on the underlying issue here, a maniac was hell bent on attacking and killing the softest target he could find.

Banning guns only makes them illegal, it does not make them impossible to get.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2012, 08:58:46 PM »
People killed before guns were ever invented. Guns themselves have no intention or motive. Focus on the underlying issue here, a maniac was hell bent on attacking and killing the softest target he could find.

Banning guns only makes them illegal, it does not make them impossible to get.
Great Great Grandpa once had to stop a runaway from the plantation with a pitchfork.  Apparently he used too much force and then said, "Oh well, I will just buy another one".  To this day, Pitchforks are still legal.

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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2012, 09:00:53 PM »
Great Great Grandpa once had to stop a runaway from the plantation with a pitchfork.  Apparently he used too much force and then said, "Oh well, I will just buy another one".  To this day, Pitchforks are still legal.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2012, 09:06:03 PM »
When are people going to give up on this childish idea that someone with the concealed weapon is going to stop these shooting sprees?

Guess what - it's not happening.

I'm not saying it's never happened, but it's not happening anywhere nearly enough to be a remotely credible argument anymore. Try something else.
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2012, 09:06:44 PM »
When are people going to give up on this childish idea that someone with the concealed weapon is going to stop these shooting sprees?

Guess what - it's not happening.

I'm not saying it's never happened, but it's not happening anywhere nearly enough to be a remotely credible argument anymore. Try something else.
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