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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2012, 02:13:59 AM »
Simple fact.. Guns are not gong away.. Even if you did the impossible the "bad guys" would still have them without a way of tracing it.. Another fact that he FBI even agrees wih in statistics is that if concealed carry would have been used by any one of the teachers it may have been a short day for the asshole.. So since guns are not going by by we need armed guards at every school period.. We also need to remember that this guy used not a assault rifle by pistols.. These are not even on the radar..
So...weapons training should be part of the teaching certification curriculum for elementary school teachers, and they should all have a gun holstered on their sides whilst teaching?  ???

Why don't we arm the elementary school kids so that they can defend themselves if an adult is not nearby with a readily accessable firearm?

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« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2012, 02:19:40 AM »
When are people going to give up on this childish idea that someone with the concealed weapon is going to stop these shooting sprees?Guess what - it's not happening.

I'm not saying it's never happened, but it's not happening anywhere nearly enough to be a remotely credible argument anymore. Try something else.
Quite frankly, we are dealing with a nation of dimwits.

Those of us with brains simply need to overrule these retards. Change the laws, reinstitute the assault weapons ban, and if these gun nutters don't like it, let 'em move to Colombia, South Africa, or somewhere else. Just get the fuck out of America...we can't afford these mass slaughters of innocent citizens anymore.
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2012, 02:29:51 AM »
You live in a rural area.  The nearest law Enforcement is 20 miles away.  Someone has just splintered your door and is coming in your house.  What are you supposed to do?
What's defending your home got to do with a mental case getting his hands on an assault rifle and going to the local elementary school or mall and shooting a couple dozen kids?  ::)

The elf-eared Jew-boy from Bumfuck, NC once again proves what a dummy he is.  ::)

No one is talking about taking away the right to keep a weapon in your home. Hell, my profile picture speaks for itself in that regard.
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2012, 03:16:21 AM »
Quite frankly, we are dealing with a nation of dimwits.

Those of us with brains simply need to overrule these retards. Change the laws, reinstitute the assault weapons ban, and if these gun nutters don't like it, let 'em move to Colombia, South Africa, or somewhere else. Just get the fuck out of America...we can't afford these mass slaughters of innocent citizens anymore.
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2012, 03:16:36 AM »
guns are a sign of weakness

So is being Canadian. Canada..... Bwahahaha. Wait... no.... Bwahahaha.
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2012, 04:33:30 AM »
fucking idiot

Right cause no one ever killed anyone w anything else you fool.   Typical leftist gullible moron.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
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Posted on December 16, 2012 7:32:11 AM EST by expat1000

If you're the biblically minded sort, then the trouble began when a jealous Cain clubbed Abel to death, but if you're evolutionarily minded, then it's a 'chicken and egg' question. Violence had no beginning, except perhaps in the Big Bang, it was always here, coded into the DNA. If people are just grown-up animals, more articulate versions of the creatures who eat each other's young, and sometimes their own young, there is as much use in wondering about the nature of evil as there is in trying to understand why a killer whale kills.

But debating how many devils can dance on the head of a pinhead is largely useless. We are not a particularly violent society. We are a society sheltered from violence. No one in Rwanda spends a great deal of time wondering what kind of man would murder children. They probably live next door to him. For that matter, if your neighborhood is diverse enough, you might be unfortunate enough to live next door to any number of war criminals, all the way from Eastern Europe to Asia to Africa.

The issue isn't really guns. Guns are how we misspell evil. Guns are how we avoid talking about the ugly realities of human nature while building sandcastles on the shores of utopia.

The obsession with guns, rather than machetes, stone clubs, crossbows or that impressive weapon of mass death, the longbow (just ask anyone on the French side of the Battle of Agincourt) is really the obsession with human agency. It's not about the fear of what one motivated maniac can do in a crowded place, but about the precariousness of social control that the killing sprees imply.

Mass death isn't the issue. After September 11, the same righteous folks calling for the immediate necessity of gun control were not talking about banning planes or Saudis, they were quoting statistics about how many more people die of car accidents each year than are killed by terrorists. As Stalin said, one death is a tragedy; three thousand deaths can always be minimized by comparing them to some even larger statistic.

The gun issue is the narrative. It's not about death or children; it's about control. It's about confusing object and subject. It's about guns that shoot people and people that are irrevocably tugged into pulling the trigger because society failed them, corporations programmed them and not enough kindly souls told them that they loved them.

Mostly it's about people who are sheltered from the realities of human nature trying to build a shelter big enough for everyone. A Gun Free Zone where everyone is a target and tries to live under the illusion that they aren't. A society where everyone is drawing unicorns on colored notepaper while waiting under their desks for the bomb to fall.

After every shooting there are more zero tolerance policies in schools that crack down on everything from eight-year olds making POW POW gestures with their fingers to honor students bringing Tylenol and pocket knives to school. And then another shooting happens and then another one and they wouldn't happen if we just had more zero tolerance policies for everyone and everything.

But evil just can't be controlled. Not with the sort of zero tolerance policies that confuse object with subject, which ban pocket knives and finger shootings to prevent real shootings. That brand of control isn't authority, it's authority in panic mode believing that if it imposes total zero tolerance control then there will be no more school shootings. And every time the dumb paradigm is blown to bits with another shotgun, then the rush is on to reinforce it with more total zero control tolerance.

Zero tolerance for the Second Amendment makes sense. If you ban all guns, except for those in the hands of the 708,000 police officers, the 1.5 million members of the armed forces, the countless numbers of security guards, including those who protect banks and armored cars, the bodyguards of celebrities who call for gun control, not to mention park rangers, ambulance drivers in the ghetto and any of the other people who need a gun to do their job, then you're sure to stop all shootings.

So long as none of those millions of people, or their tens of millions of kids, spouses, parents, grandchildren, girlfriends, boyfriends, roommates and anyone else who has access to them and their living spaces, carries out one of those shootings.

But this isn't really about stopping shootings; it's about controlling when they happen. It's about making sure that everyone who has a gun is in some kind of chain of command. It's about the belief that the problem isn't evil, but agency, that if we make sure that everyone who has guns is following orders, then control will be asserted and the problem will stop. Or if it doesn't stop, then at least there will be someone higher up in the chain of command to blame. Either way authority is sanctified, control or the illusion of it, maintained.

We'll never know the full number of people who were killed by Fast and Furious. We'll never know how many were killed by Obama's regime change operation in Libya, with repercussions in Mali and Syria. But everyone involved in that was following orders. There was no individual agency, just agencies. No lone gunman who just decided to go up to a school and shoot kids. There were orders to run guns to Mexico and the cartel gunmen who killed people with those guns had orders to shoot. There was nothing random or unpredictable about it. Or as the Joker put it, "Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the plan is horrifying."

Gun control is the assertion that the problem is not the guns; it's the lack of a controlling authority for all those guns. It's the individual. A few million people with little sleep, taut nerves and PTSD are not a problem so long as there is someone to give them orders. A hundred million people with guns and no orders is a major problem. Historically though it's millions of people with guns who follow orders who have been more of a problem than millions of people with guns who do not.

Moral agency is individual. You can't outsource it to a government and you wouldn't want to. The bundle of impulses, the codes of character, the concepts of right and wrong, take place at the level of the individual. Organizations do not sanctify this process. They do not lift it above its fallacies, nor do they even do a very good job of keeping sociopaths and murderers from rising high enough to give orders. Organizations are the biggest guns of all, and some men and women who make Lanza look like a man of modestly murderous ambitions have had their fingers on their triggers and still do.

Gun control will not really control guns, but it will give the illusion of controlling people, and even when it fails those in authority will be able to say that they did everything that they could short of giving people the ability to defend themselves.

We live under the rule of organizers, community and otherwise, whose great faith is that the power to control men and their environment will allow them to shape their perfect state into being, and the violent acts of lone madmen are a reminder that such control is fleeting, that utopia has its tigers, and that attempting to control a problem often makes it worse by removing the natural human crowdsourced responses that would otherwise come into play.

The clamor for gun control is the cry of sheltered utopians believing that evil is a substance as finite as guns, and that getting rid of one will also get rid of the other. But evil isn't finite and guns are as finite as drugs or moonshine whiskey, which is to say that they are as finite as the human interest in having them is. And unlike whiskey or heroin, the only way to stop a man with a gun is with a gun.

People do kill people and the only way to stop people from killing people is by killing them first. To a utopian this is a moral paradox that invalidates everything, but to everyone else, it's just life in a world where evil is a reality, not just a word.

Anyone who really hankers after a world without guns would do well to try the 14th Century, the 1400 years ago or the 3400 years ago variety, which was not a nicer place for lack of guns, and the same firepower that makes it possible for one homicidal maniac to kill a dozen unarmed people, also makes it that much harder to recreate a world where one man in armor can terrify hundreds of peasants in boiled leather armed with sharp sticks.

The longbow was the first weapon to truly begin to level the playing field, putting serious firepower in the hands of a single man. In the Battle of Crecy, a few thousand English and Welsh peasants with longbows slew thousands of French knights and defeated an army of 30,000. Or as the French side described it, "It is a shame that so many French noblemen fell to men of no value." Crecy, incidentally, also saw one of the first uses of cannon.

Putting miniature cannons in the hands of every peasant made the American Revolution possible. The ideals of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution would have meant very little without an army of ordinary men armed with weapons that made them a match for the superior organization and numbers of a world power.

At the Battle of Bunker Hill, 2,400 American rebels faced down superior numbers and lost the hill, but inflicted over a 1,000 casualties, including 100 British commissioned officers killed or wounded, leading to General Clinton's observation, "A few more such victories would have shortly put an end to British dominion in America."

This was done with muskets, the weapon that gun control advocates assure us was responsible for the Second Amendment because the Founders couldn't imagine all the "truly dangerous" weapons that we have today.

And yet would Thomas Jefferson, the abiding figurehead of the Democratic Party, who famously wrote, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants", really have shuddered at the idea of peasants with assault rifles, or would he have grinned at the playing field being leveled some more?

The question is the old elemental one about government control and individual agency. And tragedies like the one that just happened take us back to the equally old question of whether individual liberty is a better defense against human evil than the entrenched organizations of government.

Do we want a society run by the flower of chivalry, who commit atrocities according to a plan for a better society, or by peasants with machine guns? The flower of chivalry can promise us a utopian world without evil, but the peasant with a machine gun promises us that we can protect ourselves from evil when it comes calling.

It isn't really guns that the gun controllers are afraid of, it's a country where individual agency is still superior to organized control, where things are unpredictable because the trains don't run on time and orders don't mean anything. But chivalry is dead. The longbow and the cannon killed it and no charge of the light brigade can bring it back. And we're better for it.

Evil may find heavy firepower appealing, but the firepower works both ways. A world where the peasants have assault rifles is a world where peasant no longer means a man without any rights. And while it may also mean the occasional brutal shooting spree, those sprees tend to happen in the outposts of utopia, the gun-free zones with zero tolerance for firearms. An occasional peasant may go on a killing spree, but a society where the peasants are all armed is also far more able to stop such a thing without waiting for the men-at-arms to be dispatched from the castle.

An armed society spends more time stopping evil than contemplating it. It is the disarmed society that is always contemplating it as a thing beyond its control. Helpless people must find something to think about while waiting for their lords to do something about the killing. Instead of doing something about it themselves, they blame the agency of the killer in being free to kill, rather than their own lack of agency for being unable to stop him.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2012, 05:05:08 AM »

An armed society spends more time stopping evil than contemplating it.

If this was TRUE, these tragedies wouldn't occur.

An armed society like USA is an incredibly violent and terrifying society, where mass murders happen on a regular basis, unlike unarmed societies.

People who believe the PRO GUN argument are seriously DELUSIONAL! NOT TO MENTION SOCIOPATHIC!
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2012, 05:35:34 AM »
Right cause no one ever killed anyone w anything else you fool.   Typical leftist gullible moron.

Well I would bet this kid would have never done anything like this without access to a gun. Its a lot less impersonal pulling a trigger than it is sticking a knife into someone's guts.

I would bet this nerdy little kid would have continued to be a messed up, angry at the world individual but powerless to do anything about it if he never had access to a firearm.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2012, 06:11:18 AM »
Well I would bet this kid would have never done anything like this without access to a gun. Its a lot less impersonal pulling a trigger than it is sticking a knife into someone's guts.

I would bet this nerdy little kid would have continued to be a messed up, angry at the world individual but powerless to do anything about it if he never had access to a firearm.

This nut might have rigged the place2bombs.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2012, 06:13:09 AM »
This nut might have rigged the place2bombs.
Yep, that happens all the time.

Or maybe shootings happen all the time.

Oh well, who's counting?

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2012, 06:43:24 AM »
What's defending your home got to do with a mental case getting his hands on an assault rifle and going to the local elementary school or mall and shooting a couple dozen kids?  ::)

The elf-eared Jew-boy from Bumfuck, NC once again proves what a dummy he is.  ::)

No one is talking about taking away the right to keep a weapon in your home. Hell, my profile picture speaks for itself in that regard.
You take away our guns (ban) shoeshine, you take away our right to defend our life and property.  

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2012, 06:44:12 AM »
Right cause no one ever killed anyone w anything else you fool.   Typical leftist gullible moron.
How many mass murders have taken place in America by a man wielding a knife or a hammer?  ::)

Damn, you are fucking stupid. Typical right wing anti-intellectual idiot who ensures that things will not change until we overrule you stupid motherfuckers.


22 kids, 1 adult hurt in China school knife attack
posted: 12/15/2012

CHRISTOPHER BODEEN Associated Press

BEIJING - A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes Friday, police said, the latest in a series of periodic rampage attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.

The attack in the Henan province village of Chengping happened shortly before 8 a.m., said a police officer from Guangshan county, where the village is located.

The attacker, 36-year-old villager Min Yingjun, is now in police custody, said the officer, who declined to give her name, as is customary among Chinese civil servants.

A Guangshan county hospital administrator said the man first attacked an elderly woman, then students, before being subdued by security guards who have been posted across China following a spate of school attacks in recent years. He said there were no deaths among the nine students admitted, although two badly injured children had been transferred to better-equipped hospitals outside the county.

A doctor at Guangshan's hospital of traditional Chinese medicine said that seven students had been admitted, but that none were seriously injured.

Neither the hospital administrator nor the doctor would give his name.

It was not clear how old the injured children were, but Chinese primary school pupils are generally 6-11 years old.

A notice posted on the Guangshan county government's website confirmed the number of injured and said an emergency response team had been set up to investigate the attacks.

No motive was given for the stabbings, which echo a string of similar assaults against schoolchildren in 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50. The most recent such attack took place in August, when a knife-wielding man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchang and stabbed two students before fleeing.

Most of the attackers have been mentally disturbed men involved in personal disputes or unable to adjust to the rapid pace of social change in China, underscoring grave weaknesses in the antiquated Chinese medical system's ability to diagnose and treat psychiatric illness.

In one of the worst incidents, a man described as an unemployed, middle-aged doctor killed eight children with a knife in March 2010 to vent his anger over a thwarted romantic relationship.
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2012, 06:45:11 AM »
How many mass murders have taken place in America by a man wielding a knife or a hammer?  ::)

Damn, you are fucking stupid. Typical right wing anti-intellectual idiot who ensures that things will not change until we overrule you stupid motherfuckers.


22 kids, 1 adult hurt in China school knife attack
posted: 12/15/2012

CHRISTOPHER BODEEN Associated Press

BEIJING - A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes Friday, police said, the latest in a series of periodic rampage attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.

The attack in the Henan province village of Chengping happened shortly before 8 a.m., said a police officer from Guangshan county, where the village is located.

The attacker, 36-year-old villager Min Yingjun, is now in police custody, said the officer, who declined to give her name, as is customary among Chinese civil servants.

A Guangshan county hospital administrator said the man first attacked an elderly woman, then students, before being subdued by security guards who have been posted across China following a spate of school attacks in recent years. He said there were no deaths among the nine students admitted, although two badly injured children had been transferred to better-equipped hospitals outside the county.

A doctor at Guangshan's hospital of traditional Chinese medicine said that seven students had been admitted, but that none were seriously injured.

Neither the hospital administrator nor the doctor would give his name.

It was not clear how old the injured children were, but Chinese primary school pupils are generally 6-11 years old.

A notice posted on the Guangshan county government's website confirmed the number of injured and said an emergency response team had been set up to investigate the attacks.

No motive was given for the stabbings, which echo a string of similar assaults against schoolchildren in 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50. The most recent such attack took place in August, when a knife-wielding man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchang and stabbed two students before fleeing.

Most of the attackers have been mentally disturbed men involved in personal disputes or unable to adjust to the rapid pace of social change in China, underscoring grave weaknesses in the antiquated Chinese medical system's ability to diagnose and treat psychiatric illness.

In one of the worst incidents, a man described as an unemployed, middle-aged doctor killed eight children with a knife in March 2010 to vent his anger over a thwarted romantic relationship.

China is a shit hole.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2012, 06:56:42 AM »
China is a shit hole.
Like you've ever been to China, or anywhere else outside of Bumfuck, NC.  ::) You know nothing of what you speak.
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« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2012, 06:58:08 AM »
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2012, 07:03:04 AM »

McVeigh anyone? 


How many mass murders have taken place in America by a man wielding a knife or a hammer?  ::)

Damn, you are fucking stupid. Typical right wing anti-intellectual idiot who ensures that things will not change until we overrule you stupid motherfuckers.


22 kids, 1 adult hurt in China school knife attack
posted: 12/15/2012

CHRISTOPHER BODEEN Associated Press

BEIJING - A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes Friday, police said, the latest in a series of periodic rampage attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.

The attack in the Henan province village of Chengping happened shortly before 8 a.m., said a police officer from Guangshan county, where the village is located.

The attacker, 36-year-old villager Min Yingjun, is now in police custody, said the officer, who declined to give her name, as is customary among Chinese civil servants.

A Guangshan county hospital administrator said the man first attacked an elderly woman, then students, before being subdued by security guards who have been posted across China following a spate of school attacks in recent years. He said there were no deaths among the nine students admitted, although two badly injured children had been transferred to better-equipped hospitals outside the county.

A doctor at Guangshan's hospital of traditional Chinese medicine said that seven students had been admitted, but that none were seriously injured.

Neither the hospital administrator nor the doctor would give his name.

It was not clear how old the injured children were, but Chinese primary school pupils are generally 6-11 years old.

A notice posted on the Guangshan county government's website confirmed the number of injured and said an emergency response team had been set up to investigate the attacks.

No motive was given for the stabbings, which echo a string of similar assaults against schoolchildren in 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50. The most recent such attack took place in August, when a knife-wielding man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchang and stabbed two students before fleeing.

Most of the attackers have been mentally disturbed men involved in personal disputes or unable to adjust to the rapid pace of social change in China, underscoring grave weaknesses in the antiquated Chinese medical system's ability to diagnose and treat psychiatric illness.

In one of the worst incidents, a man described as an unemployed, middle-aged doctor killed eight children with a knife in March 2010 to vent his anger over a thwarted romantic relationship.



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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #69 on: December 16, 2012, 07:05:06 AM »
The two biggest mass murders in America have been committed by a bomb and by some box cutters and planes.

How many ppl die in alcohol related incidents every year, why are you bleeding heart morons ranting and raving about banning alcohol?

Im guessing b/c you were brought up to believe guns are scary and a bottle of alcohol is perfectly normal.

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« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2012, 07:07:17 AM »
LOL

I need to resize it so you guys can post it elsewhere.  I thought of it this morning in bed.  ;D

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2012, 07:09:43 AM »
The two biggest mass murders in America have been committed by a bomb and by some box cutters and planes.

How many ppl die in alcohol related incidents every year, why are you bleeding heart morons ranting and raving about banning alcohol?

Im guessing b/c you were brought up to believe guns are scary and a bottle of alcohol is perfectly normal.


if alcohol were banned i might go on a killing spree

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2012, 07:12:22 AM »
You know I laugh at all the pseudo intellectual types here who don't even realize what the right to keep and bare arms was originally meant for, or why people staunchly defend it... especially the hippy go free frees... and the fucking foreign experts on the US constitution.

American citizens have the RIGHT to own a gun, not to defend against some knucklehead breaking into your house (although effective) or to be a doomsday prepper. We have the RIGHT to arms to defend against our OWN government. It was created to keep America from ever falling under dictator or despot rule you fucking morons. Why do you think the libs want to take them away? So when they oppress with all the... no eating fat... no care for the elderly (too expensive) etc. WE CAN'T FUCKING FIGHT BACK AND OVERTHROW THEIR ASSES.

That is it. Period. No other reason at all. If you don't know this go find out for yourself the original intent... and then go fuck yourself with your gun control.
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2012, 07:13:13 AM »
This tragedy will fuel the debate and sway people to want to ban guns.

The arguments will be:

if the guns aren't easily accessible then the impulse will pass.  Such as the Kansas City shooting.

Manufacturing and planting a bomb takes longer and is hard to pull off with out getting discovered.  

Allowing schools to have guns only increases the chance of a nut job accessing them.

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What we will likely see is a serious legit push for an assault gun ban

Armed security guards at schools

And prison like chain link fenses and highly controlled entry points to schools.  




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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #74 on: December 16, 2012, 07:13:46 AM »
Great Great Grandpa once said the best idea would be to ban the Emancipation Proclamation, that way the animals could be put back to work.