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« Reply #275 on: January 01, 2013, 06:18:00 PM »

blacks kill one person and whitey kills lots of people
Perfect example here of brainwashing or liberal agenda. Here let me refresh your memory as recent as 2011 fuckstick!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Grand_Rapids,_Michigan_mass_murder



On July 7, 2011, a gunman killed seven people and wounded two others in a spree killing in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The deaths took place in two homes, with the two non-fatal gunshot injuries taking place on the road. The suspected gunman, Rodrick Shonte Dantzler, later killed himself after holding three people hostage in a third home following a police chase. Those killed included Dantzler's estranged wife, their daughter, his former girlfriend, and members of the other victims' families. One of the non-fatal victims was also acquainted with Dantzler.

All victims were white or mulatto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Distributors_shooting



The Hartford Distributors shooting was a mass shooting that occurred on August 3, 2010, in Manchester, Connecticut, United States. The location of the crime was a warehouse owned by Hartford Distributors, a beer distribution company. The gunman, former employee Omar Shariff Thornton (born April 25, 1976)[1] shot and killed eight people before turning a gun on himself.

All victims were white.
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« Reply #276 on: January 01, 2013, 06:26:23 PM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxRlpRcorEU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxRlpRcorEU</a>
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« Reply #277 on: January 01, 2013, 07:00:35 PM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEg1VNfX3o" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEg1VNfX3o</a>
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« Reply #278 on: January 01, 2013, 08:32:01 PM »

Perfect example here of brainwashing or liberal agenda. Here let me refresh your memory as recent as 2011 fuckstick!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Grand_Rapids,_Michigan_mass_murder



On July 7, 2011, a gunman killed seven people and wounded two others in a spree killing in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The deaths took place in two homes, with the two non-fatal gunshot injuries taking place on the road. The suspected gunman, Rodrick Shonte Dantzler, later killed himself after holding three people hostage in a third home following a police chase. Those killed included Dantzler's estranged wife, their daughter, his former girlfriend, and members of the other victims' families. One of the non-fatal victims was also acquainted with Dantzler.

All victims were white or mulatto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Distributors_shooting



The Hartford Distributors shooting was a mass shooting that occurred on August 3, 2010, in Manchester, Connecticut, United States. The location of the crime was a warehouse owned by Hartford Distributors, a beer distribution company. The gunman, former employee Omar Shariff Thornton (born April 25, 1976)[1] shot and killed eight people before turning a gun on himself.

All victims were white.


ok so thats ONE more example  Cheesy keep them coming!

I do remember this isolated incident
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« Reply #279 on: January 01, 2013, 09:29:38 PM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEg1VNfX3o" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEg1VNfX3o</a>

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« Reply #280 on: January 01, 2013, 09:48:13 PM »


ok so thats TWO ONE more examples  Cheesy keep them coming!

I do remember this isolated incident
again failure to acknowledge the crimes...
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« Reply #281 on: January 01, 2013, 09:51:17 PM »

More non-white mass shootings:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre

The Virginia Tech massacre was a school shooting that took place on April 16, 2007, on the campus of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia, United States. Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people and wounded 17 others[1] in two separate attacks, approximately two hours apart, before committing suicide (another 6 people were injured escaping from classroom windows).[2] The massacre is the deadliest shooting incident by a single gunman in U.S. history.[3] It was the worst act of mass murder of college students since Syracuse University lost 35 students in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103,[4] and the second-deadliest act of mass murder at a US school campus, behind the Bath School disaster of 1927.
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« Reply #282 on: January 01, 2013, 09:53:17 PM »

More:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang

Chai Soua Vang (born September 24, 1968) is a naturalized U.S. citizen and a Hmong immigrant from Laos. While on a hunting trip in northern Wisconsin, Vang shot eight people, who were also hunting in the area, on November 21, 2004. Six were killed and two were left wounded.
According to court proceedings prior to his conviction, Vang acknowledged shooting the people, but challenged the chain of events that caused a dispute over a deer stand to become violent and escalate into multiple deaths. Vang, who lived in Saint Paul, Minnesota at the time of the shootings, is currently being held at Iowa State Penitentiary
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« Reply #283 on: January 01, 2013, 09:57:10 PM »



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad

John Allen Muhammad (December 31, 1960 - November 10, 2009) was a convicted murderer from the United States. He, along with his seventeen-year-old partner, Lee Boyd Malvo, carried out the 2002 Beltway sniper attacks, killing at least 10 people. Muhammad and Malvo were arrested in connection with the attacks on October 24, 2002, following tips from alert citizens. Although the pairing's actions were classified as psychopathy attributable to serial killer characteristics by the media, whether or not their psychopathy meets this classification or that of a spree killer is debated by researchers.[1]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Boyd_Malvo

Lee Boyd Malvo (also known as John Lee Malvo), born February 18, 1985, is a convicted murderer who, along with John Allen Muhammad, committed murders in connection with the Beltway sniper attacks in the Washington Metropolitan Area over a three-week period in October 2002. Although the pairing's actions were classified as psychopathy attributable to serial killer characteristics by the media, whether or not their psychopathy meets this classification or that of a spree killer is debated by researchers.[1] In 2012, Malvo claimed that he was sexually abused by John Allen Muhammad.[2]

According to Malvo's confession, he and Muhammad had planned to kill six white people a day for a month in order "to terrorize the nation."
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« Reply #284 on: January 01, 2013, 09:59:10 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_(mass_murderer)



Colin Ferguson (born January 14, 1958) is a mass murderer who was convicted of murdering six people and injuring nineteen others on the Long Island Rail Road in Garden City, New York.
On December 7, 1993, as the train pulled into the Merillon Avenue Station, Ferguson pulled out his gun and started firing at passengers. He killed six and wounded nineteen before being stopped by three of the passengers: Kevin Blum, Mark McEntee and Mike O'Connor. Ferguson's trial was notable for a number of unusual developments, including his firing of his defense counsel and insisting on representing himself and questioning his own victims on the stand.
Ferguson was convicted on February 17, 1995, of murder for the deaths of the six passengers who died of their injuries. He was also convicted of attempted murder for wounding nineteen passengers. As of 2012, he is serving his sentence of 315 years and 8 months to life at the Upstate Correctional Facility in Franklin County, New York.[1] His earliest possible parole date is August 6, 2309
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« Reply #285 on: January 01, 2013, 10:02:33 PM »

We can keep going with this. Yes, there are many white serial killers and mass shooters. And there are many non-whites as well. They have one thing in common: many non-white shooters kill exclusively white people as do white mass shooters (Brevik, Lanza, etc.)
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« Reply #286 on: January 02, 2013, 12:09:26 AM »

We can keep going with this. Yes, there are many white serial killers and mass shooters. And there are many non-whites as well. They have one thing in common: many non-white shooters kill exclusively white people as do white mass shooters (Brevik, Lanza, etc.)

i was talking about blacks not asians. and there are more white mass killers in the us than black.
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« Reply #287 on: January 02, 2013, 01:42:59 AM »

i was talking about blacks not asians. and there are more white mass killers in the us than black.

Hmm, and I think last time I checked there were more white people in the US?
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« Reply #288 on: January 02, 2013, 06:55:43 AM »

We can keep going with this. Yes, there are many white serial killers and mass shooters. And there are many non-whites as well. They have one thing in common: many non-white shooters kill exclusively white people as do white mass shooters (Brevik, Lanza, etc.)

There are actually a substantial number of black serial killers, and they are quite prolific. You don't hear about it because it doesn't make the news.  The news and black leaders dont give a shit about black people killing each other. 

Took a course on abnormal psychology years back and the teacher brought up the subject in response to a student claiming there were very few black serial killers.  By population, the number of black serial killers is pretty high.
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« Reply #289 on: January 02, 2013, 07:06:21 AM »

There are actually a substantial number of black serial killers, and they are quite prolific. You don't hear about it because it doesn't make the news.  The news and black leaders dont give a shit about black people killing each other. 

This is very true, I also think they don't make the news as much, because their killings are boring by comparison. It's usually a lot of sex crimes in combination with murder, but nothing really sensational.
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« Reply #290 on: January 02, 2013, 10:20:24 AM »

Hmm, and I think last time I checked there were more white people in the US?

even per capita i bet more whites are mass murderers than blacks, but proving that is difficult.
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« Reply #292 on: January 02, 2013, 11:59:16 AM »


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Before the Newtown horror, I, like many people, was in conflict regarding gun control. On the one hand, guns are dangerous. Their wide availability means people can kill on impulse, and surely that means more domestic quarrels turn into killings. And only anarchists would deny Ayn Rand’s point that “the government is the means of placing the use of retaliatory force under objective control.”

Note that this On the other hand, what about those who want to use guns to defend themselves? What about people who aren’t ever going to fly into a rage and shoot anyone in anger? And at Newtown, wouldn’t a few armed adults have meant that the lives of many of those children could have been spared? We don’t need statistical studies to know that banning guns from cities doesn’t stop criminals from getting them.“on the one hand” and “on the other hand” does not arise from looking at different aspects of the same case but from focusing on two different kinds of cases. The pro-gun side focuses on cases of legitimate self-defense (and hunting and target-shooting). The anti-gun side focuses on wrongful uses of guns: the Newton killer or an enraged husband who shoots his wife (and on deaths from accidents with guns).

Both sides are looking at cases that are real. The question is: how can we take all of them into account? What is the proper way to think about this issue?

The answer I’ve come to is radical: reject entirely the collectivist mindset. Don’t look at populations; don’t ask: among 300 million Americans, would law X result in more lives being saved than lost? That sort of cost-benefit analysis is amoral; lives are not balanceable one against the other. And, in practice, it leads to endlessly battling statistical studies. I realized I should not take a God’s eye perspective, looking down on the flock, seeking to preserve the herd. Mankind is not a herd.

Junking the collectivist approach, ridding myself of the idea that the lives of the few can be sacrificed to the lives of the many, I found the issue almost settled itself. Taking the individualist approach, I asked myself: what laws should the individual be subject to? What is the principle governing the individual’s relation to the state?

The principle is “individual rights”–your rights and mine.

Rights define the proper limits of state action. They recognize the areas within which the individual is sovereign, entitled to act on his own judgment, free from interference by his fellow man and by the state. The fundamental right is the right to life. Its expressions are the right to liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness. As the Declaration states, government is established “to secure these rights.”

To secure them against what? There is only one thing that can deprive a man of his life, liberty, or property: physical force. Only guns, clubs, chains, jails, or some form of nonconsensual physical contact can kill you, injure you, or negate your ability to act on your own judgment. The proper job of government is to protect the individual’s rights by wielding retaliatory force against the force initiated by criminals or foreign aggressors.

The issue with guns is the threat of force. But the threat of force is force. Orders issued at gunpoint are as coercive–as rights-violating–as laying on hands and overpowering you. (All this is explained in more detail in Ayn Rand’s articles “Man’s Rights” and “The Nature of Government.”) The government may use force only against an objective threat of force. Only that constitutes retaliation.

In particular, the government may not descend to the evil of preventive law. The government cannot treat men as guilty until they have proven themselves to be, for the moment, innocent. No law can require the individual to prove that he won’t violate another’s rights, in the absence of evidence that he is going to.

But this is precisely what gun control laws do. Gun control laws use force against the individual in the absence of any specific evidence that he is about to commit a crime. They say to the rational, responsible gun owner: you may not have or carry a gun because others have used them irrationally or irresponsibly. Thus, preventive law sacrifices the rational and responsible to the irrational and irresponsible. This is unjust and intolerable.

The government may coercively intervene only when there is an objective threat that someone is going to use force. The remaining issue is: what constitutes an objective threat?

An objective threat is constituted by specific evidence of a clear and present danger to someone’s person or property. For instance, waving a gun around (“brandishing”) is an objective threat to the individuals in the vicinity. Having a rifle at home in the attic is not. Carrying a concealed pistol is not (until and unless it is drawn). Yes, there are always borderline cases, but rational standards, such as “clear and present danger,” can be set.

Statistics about how often gun-related crimes occur in the population is no evidence against you. That’s collectivist thinking. The choices made by others are irrelevant to the choices that you will make.

People understand the wrongness of collectivist thinking in other cases. They would indignantly reject the idea that a member of a given racial group is under suspicion because 10 percent of those with his skin color commit crimes. But the individualist approach also applies to gun ownership and concealed carrying of guns: group ratios offer no evidence about what a given individual will do.

The fact that a certain percentage of domestic quarrels end in a shooting is no grounds for saying your ownership of a gun is a threat to the members of your household. Likewise, the fact that there are a certain number of accidental injuries from guns is no justification for regulating or banning the ownership of guns for everyone. And The tragic fact that the psychotic killer at Newtown used a gun to kill school children is zero grounds for disarming teachers and school personnel.

The government may respond only to specific threats, objectively evident. It has no right to initiate force against the innocent. And a gun owner is innocent until specific evidence arises that he is threatening to initiate force.

Laws prohibiting or regulating guns across the board represent the evil  of preventive law and should be abolished.
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