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Stefano
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« on: December 18, 2012, 10:18:41 PM »

Hitler said if a lie is repeated often enough and long enough, it would come to be perceived as truth. One such lie often repeated is “Islam is the fastest growing religion”. 

Despite the fact that Muslims by virtue of being poor and uneducated are much more reproductive than others, Islam as a religion is not growing but dying fast. 

More and more Muslims are discovering that the violence evinced by some of their coreligionists is not an aberration but is inspired by the teachings of the Quran and the examples set by its author. Muslims are becoming disillusioned with Islam. They find out that the mechanistic ritual of praying five times per day, reciting verses that they do not understand and indeed mean nothing, getting up at taxing hours of the morning and abstaining from food and water until the sunset are not means to becoming more spiritual but are instruments to control their mind. These enlightened Muslims no more heed to the fear mongering verses of the Quran that threaten to burn them and roast them in the fires of hell if they dare to think and question the validity of that book.  

Every day thousands of Muslim intellectuals are leaving Islam. They find Islam inconsistent with science, logics, human rights and ethics. Millions of Iranians already have left Islam. The enlightened Muslims of other nationalities are not far behind. This is the beginning of a mass exodus from Islam. It is a movement that is already in motion and nothing can stop it. 

However the exodus from Islam is not reserved to the intellectuals but also the average Muslims are finding that Islam is not the way to God but to ignorance, poverty and wars. They are leaving Islam to embrace other religions especially the Christianity. 

Perhaps it is best to listen to the truth coming from the mouth of the horse. The Internet site aljazeera.net published an interview with Ahmad Al Qataani أحمد القطعاني An important Islamic cleric who said: “In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity." 

What Muslims say among each other, is not the same thing that they say for the consumption of the Westerners.

These are huge numbers. If this trend continues we can expect to see Islam become insignificant in Africa in just a few decades. This is good news for those who are concerned about the on going slavery in Africa and the prospects of war and genocide. 

In fact with the weakening of Islam, we can hope to see peace in many war-ridden parts of the world including Palestine. By now it should be clear that any road map to peace  between Israel and Palestine will be blocked by the Islamists and the terrorists. Peace in Middle East is not possible as long as Islam is the ideology of the masses.    

It is important that we realize that this terrorism that is threatening the peace of the world and these wars that bleed the Muslim nations are not economically motivated but are they are hate motivated. They are religious wars. The weakening of Islam means peace for mankind. 

Al Qataani and al Jazeera Network were alarmed by these huge numbers of Muslims leaving Islam, but humanity must rejoice over these numbers. The weakening of Islam means the triumph of mankind.   

The following is part of the transcript of Al Jazeera's Interview with Al Qataani translated to english
 

Maher Abdallah:
Dear viewers, peace of Allah be upon you, greetings and welcome to a new episode of the program Islamic Law and Life.

Our topic this evening will be Christianization in the Dark Continent ... Africa. For after Islam was the religion of the majority, the great majority of that continent, the number of Muslims now is no greater than a third of the population. This is taking into consideration, of course, that a large portion of this group are Arab Muslims. No doubt that the missions of evangelization and Christianization played a great role in this demographic shift of Muslims in the continent.

To discuss this topic, it is my pleasure to introduce today a man who is an expert on the issue of evangelization and Christianization in Africa, even though he will concentrate on the issue of Christianization first and foremost…. Sheikh Ahmad Al Qataani; the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, which is an institution specializing in graduating imams and Islamic preachers.

Sheikh Ahmad, welcome to you on the program.

Ahmad Al Qataani:
Greeting to you.

Maher Abdallah:
If we start by inquiring about your strict stance against the Christian missions in Africa, don’t the followers of every religion have the right to seek new converts, exactly as you train and graduate young Muslims to propagate Islam?

Ahmad Al Qataani:
I seek refuge in Allah the Seer, the Knower, from the stoned devil. In the name of Allah the Merciful the Beneficent. Thanks to Allah the One, the Only, the Permanent One, who did not give birth nor was born, to whom no one was equal. I bear witness that there is no God but Allah who has no partners, and I bear witness that our master Muhammed – Allah’s prayers and peace be upon him - is his messenger and seal of prophets; Allah prayers be upon him and his brothers the prophets and messengers and their families.

The question that you pose is a result of not comprehending the difference between the concept of Christianization and the concept of evangelism.

The concept of evangelism: is inviting the non-Christians to the Christian or Nazarene religion, and this is the right of every Christian and the right of every believer to call others to his faith. However, we are talking about a different matter; which is Christianization. Christianization means the following: preparing plans, and executing these plans and evolving these plans to change Muslims into Christians by taking advantage of the ignorance and poverty (of the people) and whatever necessitates from similar circumstances.

So, we are faced with the issue of taking advantage of circumstances, taking advantage of humanitarian needs, taking advantage of the lack of education for example, that these people (missionaries) use to take Muslims out of their religion.

Maher Abdallah:
Fine. This is a big and dangerous phrase. Taking advantage of poverty, of ignorance, of lack of education, of some need is something that a Muslim can also be accused of. So if you don’t back up what you say with examples, with references, your words remain in the air without much weight to them.

Ahmad Al Qataani:
The reality is that these words say a lot less than they should. As we said in the beginning, everyone has the right to invite others to his religion; this is what is known as evangelism (or proselytizing). As for Christianization, no one has the right to take Muslims out of their religion, and you asked for references and the references are too numerous.

Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people. When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century. On the other hand, the number of Catholics has increased from one million in 1902 to 329 million 882 thousand (329,882,000). Let us round off that number to 330 million in the year 2000.

As to how that happened, well
.there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity
These numbers are very large indeed …..

Maher Abdallah (interrupting):
Hold on! Let me clarify. Do we have 6 million converting from Islam to Christianity or converting from Islam and other religions?

Ahmad Al Qataani:
Great (question)! The other religions are not placed on the list of Christianization; rather they are placed on the list of evangelization. The other religion in Africa is paganism; so it’s Islam, Christianity or paganism. There isn’t something similar to Asia for example where you have Buddhism or Zoroastrianism. In Africa it is just these three, so if you talk about Christianization then it targets the only other heavenly religion which is Islam. As for paganism, those people worship animals and planets and the like.

Maher Abdallah:
So 6 million Muslims a year convert?

Ahmad Al Qataani:
Every year ….. In the African nations this century a tragedy happened. Take for example what happened in Ethiopia. Ethiopia is an Arab nation and I am not saying a muslim nation. If any student looks up the word Habasha (Ethiopia) in the book Ocean Dictionary written by Al-Fairuz Abady, he will find that the word Habashat means “people of different tribes” and this is what happened. Ethiopia was a place where Arabs from different tribes would go to live for a while. We all know that Islam entered Ethiopia before Islam entered the city of Medina. We all know that AL-Najashy (the ruler of Ethiopia) was a Muslim. It is mentioned by Al-Darkatny in his biography of the prophet – Allah’s prayer and peace be upon him – that during the month of Rajab in the 9th year of the Hijra (Muslim calendar) that the prophet said to his companions: “Rise up and pray on your brother Al-Najashy.” From that year on the practice of praying on the absent was established. Therefore from the time of the prophet – Allah’s prayer and peace be upon him – Islam entered Ethiopia. So what has happened to Ethiopia?

What happened is that in the days of Emperor Hela Silasi who used to force Muslims to bow to the Christian, and if he refused then he was whipped 45 lashes and jailed between 2 and 5 years. In the year 1948, a massacre occurred at the hands of the Amharic tribes; the Amharic being Christians and collaborators, who continued to slaughter Muslims for 7 months and perform the most horrific acts imaginable. For example they deprived them from the most basic human rights, to the point that they mutilated the male Muslim’s reproductive organs so that no more Muslim children would be born. Ethiopia was rewarded after all these horrific acts; rewarded by being made the head quarters of the African Unity League.

Let us move to another location in Africa, let it be Nigeria. Nigeria is known by Muslims by the name of the Land of Takror. Nigeria was founded at the beginning of the last century by the British, and many Islamic sources mention it’s name as the Land of Tekror. There is even a letter by the reciter Suyuti, who died in the year 911 Hijri, where the title is: Opening the blessed request and relating the hidden openly to the questions of the people of Takror. So there was an established relationship, and they used to send questions to the scholars of Islam, so this letter (of questions) was sent from one of the sheikh scholars of Nigeria that was called Takror to the Muslim scholar AL Suyuti in Egypt and he in turn responded and the contents of this letter are published and printed and is found in the book “The collection Islamic decrees”.

Nigeria’s population is 120 million people, 70% of whom are Muslim. In the 1960’s a British missionary came and declared that he will Christianize North Nigeria, the majority of whom are Muslim. As a result, Ahmad Banulo (from the leaders of the Msulims) was forced at the time to move him to Lagos the capital. As a result the butcher Arorese, that was present at the time, eliminated all the Muslim rulers and killed Ahmad Banulo, why? Because he merely dared to move this missionary who declared that he wishes to Christianize North Nigeria.

In another country, Zanzibar, is an Arabic African nation and I am not saying Muslim. Zanzibar was always connected to the Sultanate of Oman (in the Persian Gulf). Concerning Zanzibar, there was a priest by the name Julius Niriry, president of Tanzania, who annihilated 20,000 Muslims (male and female) with a military force lead by a chicken thief. This thief was imprisoned for being accused of stealing chickens; he was released and asked to command the military brigade that annihilated 20,000 Muslims.

Maher Abdallah:
My dear viewers welcome back to this episode where we are speaking about the topic of Christianization in the African continent and we are speaking with the Sheikh who is observing and following this issue, as each hour Islam loses just under 700 Muslims who join the Christian religion which leads us to the number of 6 million Muslims every year.

Our sir, you mentioned that there are advantages being taken of necessities: poverty, ignorance; what you mentioned then are waves of elimination, waves of religious eradication, and there is no need to call is racial eradication….. However, let us go back to the topic necessity and exploitation. This may have all been in the past; the military expeditions that you spoke of were all in the beginning or middle of the last century, but what is happening today in regards to exploiting necessities?

Ahmad Al Qataani:
What I wanted to say is that these military expeditions and wars paved the way for what we are seeing today; converting 6 million Muslims every year did not happen from nothing, but was a result of what I mentioned earlier.

As for the topic of necessity exploitation, then a nation like Somalia, whose population is 9.5 million people, are all Muslim without exception. There are no Christians or pagans. And if you did find any then they are an insignificant number that are not even on official statistics. A Belgian missionary by the name of Sabeh came to Somalia and purchased 30,000 Muslim youth, he took advantage of their parents poverty, and we all know the terrible situation that Somalia is going through now and what it went through a few years ago. This is taking advantage of a humanitarian need that any human can go through.


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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2012, 10:27:46 PM »

Atleast muslims dont go to the poorest christians in the earth, who cant feed and cloth themselves and bribe them that the bread the muslims have are because of prophet Mohamed,and if you want this bread and shelter then you better convert to islam.

With the christian missionaries, they go to the poorest people in the world, use the hunger and desperation of the people, offer them some bread claining that jesus provides this bread in order to brainwash them.

Then the missionaries come to the same people next day, and dont provide them anything, and the poor muslim who is about to die from starvation says where is my bread, and the missionary says "Mohamed cant provide bread today".

They then come next day, provide the bread, saying that jesus is here to feed you.
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2012, 10:43:43 PM »

Atleast muslims dont go to the poorest christians in the earth, who cant feed and cloth themselves and bribe them that the bread the muslims have are because of prophet Mohamed,and if you want this bread and shelter then you better convert to islam.

With the christian missionaries, they go to the poorest people in the world, use the hunger and desperation of the people, offer them some bread claining that jesus provides this bread in order to brainwash them.

Then the missionaries come to the same people next day, and dont provide them anything, and the poor muslim who is about to die from starvation says where is my bread, and the missionary says "Mohamed cant provide bread today".

They then come next day, provide the bread, saying that jesus is here to feed you.

So? Religion is acontrol tool. What else is new? Incidentally muslims who immigrate especially the younger generations are more likely to convert or abandon religion altogether.

Islam clerics offer their followers money for every convert. Some saudi prince offered $1000 to any muslim who converts another from another religion. A friend who was working in a garment factory in egypt as an engineer told me that every day oneof his coworkers tried to convert him. One even offered to split the money the mosque would pay him with him.

Christians for the most part are far more generous than muslims. How many christians travel abroad to volunteeer to help people in need? I did volunteer work myself so i met many of them. They werent there to convert anyone only to help the unfortunate. How many muslims volunteer to help. At the time of the tsunami the us and western countries helped muslim countries far more than islamic countries in the middle east who actually had more money and could have helped. One middleeastern country sent a crate of dates becuase they had an oversupply instead of medicine and essential food.

Dont take my word for it. Travel around the world and se for ypurself. Talk to people instead of relying only on the internet.
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 12:32:23 PM »

why cant you get a simple thing through your head? What muslims do dosent mean thats what ISLAM SAYS!

Islam(the religion God has given to humans) is Perfect. Muslims(human beings) are not
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2012, 04:38:56 PM »

6 Million muslims converting to christianity a year?Bit of a joke.

So that mean in 10 years, 60 million muslims have become christians? Yeah right.Where are they?

Youve got the international ministries for city team who have been operating since 1998 and have 42 offices around the world and thousands of missionaries, one of the biggest missionary companies, and all they can convert is 200,000 muslims to christianity in 6 years, so thats around 33,000 conversions a year.

And that conversion rate is probably true, you dont blame that poor african mother or kid who will say anything to get that piece of bread.

So i think 6 millions conversions is abit of a fallacy.
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2012, 08:32:36 PM »

6 Million muslims converting to christianity a year?Bit of a joke.

So that mean in 10 years, 60 million muslims have become christians? Yeah right.Where are they?

Youve got the international ministries for city team who have been operating since 1998 and have 42 offices around the world and thousands of missionaries, one of the biggest missionary companies, and all they can convert is 200,000 muslims to christianity in 6 years, so thats around 33,000 conversions a year.

And that conversion rate is probably true, you dont blame that poor african mother or kid who will say anything to get that piece of bread.

So i think 6 millions conversions is abit of a fallacy.


So is the fact that millions of christians are converting to islam. Where are they? If anything its all western propoganda to create fear in people that muslims are a growing threat. The fools like you think its real news when in reality more people are moving away from islam especially the younger generations. Its the same tactic used by the nra to. They claim obama is trying to take away guns when its not true so people will panic and buy more guns to stock up. Open your eyes you braindead moron.
I put this up to point out how you only beleive what you want to and shut out everything else. You crow about christians converting to islam but when i post up evidence that muslims are converting out as well you claim its a fallacy. Typical of a shut in muslim like achmutt.
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2012, 08:39:01 PM »

why cant you get a simple thing through your head? What muslims do dosent mean thats what ISLAM SAYS!

Islam(the religion God has given to humans) is Perfect. Muslims(human beings) are not

I see you're posting in religion board as expected achmutt. Same arguements different account.

Human beings arent perfect. Yes thats why they came up with the god concept to ease their fears.

What muslims say Do matter wehen they speak from and act from a religious standpoint. Who starts the chaos? Religious leaders are the ones who incite muslim masses to riot. Then again you stick yo islam being different from muslims action when they are prompted to act based on the words of their religious leaders who claim everyone who is not muslim-are the enemy.

Keep shutting off the muslim attrocitties as thoughvthey dont exist achmutt. I know thays what you do best.
Stick to one account btw. You're fooling no one.
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2012, 09:21:52 PM »

listen i am honestly telling you i am NOT AHMED!
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2012, 10:07:25 PM »

listen i am honestly telling you i am NOT AHMED!

Muslism are known to lie when it comes to the defense of their religion. Its mildly amusing that both accounts seem to have the same pattern of posts.

Carry on achmutt. You live a lie so lying on getbig to cover up your true purpose is nothing special.
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2012, 11:42:01 PM »

So is the fact that millions of christians are converting to islam. Where are they? If anything its all western propoganda to create fear in people that muslims are a growing threat. The fools like you think its real news when in reality more people are moving away from islam especially the younger generations. Its the same tactic used by the nra to. They claim obama is trying to take away guns when its not true so people will panic and buy more guns to stock up. Open your eyes you braindead moron.
I put this up to point out how you only beleive what you want to and shut out everything else. You crow about christians converting to islam but when i post up evidence that muslims are converting out as well you claim its a fallacy. Typical of a shut in muslim like achmutt.

Look donkey, get you tongue out of your mums ass.

I never said millions of muslims are converting to christianity, cause i cant back those claims, and as a muslim i dont want to decieve people by brainwashing poor christains dying of food with a piece of bread that Mohamed provided.

And i only mentioned that the converion of 6 million of muslims to christianity was a fallacy, cause you didnt provide concrete evidence.

I do beleive there are reversions to christinaity, and i said i beleive the statistic of 200,000 muslims in 6 years as you mentioned before in one of your post of the missionary groups, but not the 6 million.

Out of the 200,000 those christinas have converted, have been 199,000 muslims who are dying of starvation who have little choice but to take what they can get.
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2012, 07:26:18 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2012, 09:45:09 PM »

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