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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2012, 07:26:26 AM »
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Come on, man.  Can't you see some of the problems with this scenario.  The thing is, I agree with the premise but even I can see this is a very skewed example.
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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2012, 07:34:11 AM »
sure some would act 100% in that situation,but i think the majority would be so fucking nervous they would freeze and fuck up

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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2012, 07:47:26 AM »
sure some would act 100% in that situation,but i think the majority would be so fucking nervous they would freeze and fuck up

I agree.  A lot of people would react just as the subject did.  I also believe that many people would end up dead in the cross fire. But the "test" is poorly designed.
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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2012, 02:02:13 PM »
In Newtown, Nancy Lanza a subject of sympathy for some, anger for others
By Kevin Sullivan, Published: December 19

NEWTOWN, Conn. — Twenty-six. Not 27.

When many people in Newtown count the victims in last week’s massacre, they tally 20 children in Sandy Hook Elementary School, plus six adult faculty and staff members. Few count shooter Adam Lanza’s first victim: his mother, Nancy. Police said that before he attacked the schoolhouse, Adam Lanza pumped four bullets into his mother’s head as she lay in bed.

As this heartbroken town tries to process Friday’s horror, there is considerable anger toward Lanza’s mother. Her name is noticeably absent from many of the impromptu shrines, memorials and condolence notes placed around town.

At the foot of the street leading to Sandy Hook Elementary, 26 Christmas trees stand to honor the dead at the school, each bearing the name of a victim, but no Nancy Lanza.

Outside the Newtown Convenience and Deli in the town center, 26 small plastic Christmas trees with twinkling blue and purple lights stand next to a sign that says, “In loving memory of the Sandy Hook victims.”

The University of Connecticut honored the shooting victims Monday with a ceremony before a men’s basketball game, with 26 students standing at center court holding lighted candles.

“I am feeling that there is more anger toward the mother than there is toward the son,” said Lisa Sheridan, a Newtown parent.

“Why would a woman who had a son like this, who clearly had serious issues, keep assault rifles in the house and teach him how to shoot them?” she said. “To deal with that, there’s a feeling here that we’re just going to focus on the 26 innocent people who died at the school.”

Emotions in Newtown are painfully raw. A half-dozen more funerals and remembrances were held Wednesday, creating almost nonstop funeral processions. Black hearses and limousines drove through the streets, led by police escorts. Nearly 50 police motorcycles, from departments all over the state, were parked outside St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church, waiting to escort the next funeral.

Firefighters and police in formal dress uniforms lined the church driveway as a funeral procession arrived. A man in jeans and a flannel shirt watched from a nearby Starbucks parking lot, wearing a green-and-white ribbon in honor of the Sandy Hook colors.

Men in black suits filed out of the funeral, many of them wearing white shirts and green ties. Women wept as they walked out of funeral services for yet another child.

Nancy Lanza apparently broke no laws and suffered a violent, tragic death. People who knew her — those who played in her regular dice game and those who saw her at her regular restaurant — said she was devoted to her son and kind and generous to others. They see her as a victim like any of the others.

But for some, how to refer to her — and what to think of her — is a subject of much conversation. While some call her the first victim, many think she bears at least some of the blame.

“Maybe somewhere there is a deep thought that the shooter’s mother could be responsible for leaving the guns available,” said Himansu Patel, the Newtown Convenience and Deli owner, who decided to leave Nancy Lanza out of his memorial to the victims.

“How could he reach those guns?” Patel said. “If she had kept them in a safer place, this thing might not have happened.”

Police have not said where they believe Nancy Lanza stored her guns or how her son gained access to them.

When President Obama came to Newtown this week and spoke at an interfaith memorial service, he went out of his way to mention the names of all 26 students, faculty members and staff members who died at the school. He never mentioned Nancy Lanza.

As Obama spoke, people gathered in respectful silence to watch on television at the bar in My Place, a Newtown restaurant where Nancy Lanza was a regular. They heard the president say, “We gather here in memory of 20 beautiful children and six remarkable adults.”

“Seven,” a woman at the bar was heard saying under her breath, referring to her lost friend.

Much remains unknown about Adam Lanza and his mother. But everyone here knows that Nancy, 52, was the legally registered owner of the powerful .223-caliber, military-style Bushmaster rifle that was used in the nation’s second-deadliest mass shooting. And they have heard that federal investigators have determined that mother and son visited numerous shooting ranges together.

It is also known that Adam Lanza had psychological or emotional problems that made the most basic elements of daily life — such as school and social settings — challenging for him. The state medical examiner said he had been advised that Adam had Asperger’s syndrome, a developmental disorder that is not associated with violence.

Those facts have left questions hanging over Newtown. Did Nancy Lanza do enough to try to keep her guns out of her son’s hands? Should she have helped a young man with psychological problems learn how to shoot?

Alexander Isgut, a Newtown pediatrician, said his daughter bought Nancy Lanza’s house in Kingston, N.H., where she lived before moving to Newtown in 1998. He said his daughter still lives in the house and is friends with Nancy Lanza’s brother, who lives next door.

Isgut said he never met Nancy Lanza. But he said many parents in Newtown, some of whom he has been treating for stress, cannot understand how Adam Lanza gained access to his mother’s weapons, which also included several semiautomatic handguns.

“If you are going to have an army, you have to be responsible for it,” he said. “Nobody else but you should have access to it.”

Nancy Lanza had another son, Ryan, 24, with her husband, Peter, from whom she was divorced. She has a large extended family in New Hampshire.

H. Wayne Carver II, Connecticut’s chief medical examiner, said Nancy Lanza’s body, and her son’s, were not claimed until Tuesday, four days after the killings. He said the funeral home that claimed them asked not to be identified and planned to transport them “discreetly.”

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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2012, 02:05:28 PM »


I guess the people who don't want to blame guns have to blame someone.
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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2012, 09:17:34 PM »
I can argue about it, because the issue of Newtown involves a sick, Satan-worshipping piece of garbage, who decided to kill his mama and 25 other people. Once that boundary is cross, there's no return.

You're blubbering about the instrument of death. Would it make you feel better, if he set them on fire or hacked them to pieces with a chainsaw? And, in case you forgot, this guy STOLE someone else's legally-obtained gun.

I don't have to argue about the right to bear arms. That pesky thing, called the CONSTITUTION, on which liberals like you like to urinate, when it interferes with your silly agenda, takes care of that debate.

As cliche' as it is, GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE; PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!

If you think people like Lanza give a flying fig about what stupid law Obama (or anyone else) passes to implement "gun control", you're 7 beers short of a six-pack.

you are so funny...just repeating yourself like a broken record....libs this and libs that.....WHO DO YOU THINK WROTE THE CONSTITUTION???????........LIBERALS!!!!!

There were other conservative elements in society back then who did not want a constitution.....they felt that the U.S. should remain a part of Britain or at least be in a close association with it....LIBERALS WROTE THE CONSTITUTION AND LIBERALS HAVE ALWAYS ENACTED NEW CONSTITUTUIONAL AMENDMENTS AND CHANGED THE CONSTITUTION.....THIS IS NORMAL, BECAUSE CONSERVATIVES NEVER WANT ANYTHING IN SOCIETY TO CHANGE......LIBERALS ARE PROGRESSIVES....THEY WANT TO SEE CHANGE TO A MORE JUST AND MORE FAIR SOCIETY....WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT????????....ITS REALLY WEIRD THAT YOU OPPOSE THAT......CONSERVATIVES NEVER HAVE AN AGENDA...ITS BASICALLY ALWAYS SAYING "NO" TO ANYTHING WHICH HELPS TO BRING ABOUT THE ABOVE

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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2012, 10:12:32 PM »
you are so funny...just repeating yourself like a broken record....libs this and libs that.....WHO DO YOU THINK WROTE THE CONSTITUTION???????........LIBERALS!!!!!

There were other conservative elements in society back then who did not want a constitution.....they felt that the U.S. should remain a part of Britain or at least be in a close association with it....LIBERALS WROTE THE CONSTITUTION AND LIBERALS HAVE ALWAYS ENACTED NEW CONSTITUTUIONAL AMENDMENTS AND CHANGED THE CONSTITUTION.....THIS IS NORMAL, BECAUSE CONSERVATIVES NEVER WANT ANYTHING IN SOCIETY TO CHANGE......LIBERALS ARE PROGRESSIVES....THEY WANT TO SEE CHANGE TO A MORE JUST AND MORE FAIR SOCIETY....WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT????????....ITS REALLY WEIRD THAT YOU OPPOSE THAT......CONSERVATIVES NEVER HAVE AN AGENDA...ITS BASICALLY ALWAYS SAYING "NO" TO ANYTHING WHICH HELPS TO BRING ABOUT THE ABOVE

Interesting, but I think you are dead wrong that conservatives don't have an agenda. Not wanting change is an agenda. Forcing religious beliefs on others is an agenda. Denying women their rights is an agenda.

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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2012, 03:41:56 AM »
Interesting, but I think you are dead wrong that conservatives don't have an agenda. Not wanting change is an agenda. Forcing religious beliefs on others is an agenda. Denying women their rights is an agenda.

Lol. What rights are women denied?

And correct I don't want change.  - leave me alone.   You have no moral or justifiable to claim or right to impose your radical leftism on me either.

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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2012, 05:48:30 AM »
3 beat me to it...what the fuck are you talking about. What change exactly should I except......taking my guns, or paying 8 bucks for gas.....or driving a skateboard sized car......liberal delusions.
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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2012, 06:23:18 AM »
AR-15s Save Lives -- Here’s Proof
 Townhall ^ | 12/21/2012 | Celia Bigelow


Posted on Friday, December 21, 2012 8:42:02 AM


Why does the media make it so difficult to find news stories of Americans employing guns--more specifically, semi-automatic guns (including AR-15s)--to save their lives?

I set out to write a piece this morning to highlight heroic instances in which people have used semi-automatic weapons and assault rifles in desperate attempts to defend themselves and others. To my surprise, Google didn’t take me very far.

Conservatives know that the mainstream media has engaged in a biased war on the Second Amendment over the last few decades, but this morning’s search opened my eyes to the extremity of their bias.

Instead of a quick Google search, it took me three hours of investigative research to find the tremendous instances of where these demonized weapons have saved lives.

Here are three heroic instances that involved armed-defenders that the media scarcely reported on:

On October 1, 1997, after fatally stabbing his mother at their home in Pearl, Mississippi, 16-year-old Luke Woodham opened fire at Pearl High School, killing two and injuring seven. When Vice Principal Joel Myrack--a US Army Reserve Commander--caught wind of the attack, he quickly ran to his car and grabbed his Colt 1911 .45 semi-automatic pistol. Mr. Myrack was able to stop and detain the shooter until police arrived on scene--without having to shoot his gun.

On January 16, 2002, 43-year-old Peter Odighizuwa opened fire at Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, Virginia. Three people were killed and three were injured. Two students that witnessed the shooting ran to their vehicles to retrieve their firearms—a 9mm pistol and a .375 Magnum pistol. The two armed students and one unarmed student approached the shooter, demanded that he drop his gun, and proceeded to secure him to the ground.

On June 29, 2010, a 15-year-old boy and his 12-year-old sister were home alone in Houston, Texas when two burglars attempted to enter their home. Around 2:45pm, the burglars unsuccessfully tried to kick open both the front and back doors. They proceeded to knock out a window, when the 15-year-old--in defense of himself and his younger sister--grabbed his Father’s AR-15 assault rifle and shot at one of the burglars. The intruders fled the scene.

The Vice Principal, the two armed students, and the 15-year-old are heroes, yet the American people don’t know who they are because the mainstream media neglected to these tremendous stories.

In fact, out of the 280 stories written about the law school shooting, only four mentioned the students were armed with guns.

The mainstream media’s sole purpose in reporting on devastating shootings is to drive their anti-gun political agenda that places innocent gun-carrying people and heroes in the same category as crazed-murderers.

This is why the general public is oblivious to statistical reality. Do you ever hear the media reporting that 99.9 percent of all guns in America are not used in violent crimes or that 99.8 percent of all guns in America are not used in crimes at all? No.

You also won’t see them report on these statistics:

· The ratio of guns used in situations of self-defense compared to crime is 4:1

· After guns were banned in Australia, crime rates spiked 44 percent

· 98 percent of the time a gun is used in self-defense it isn’t shot

· Only 4 percent of guns used in crimes were obtained legally.

Additionally, the media avoids reporting the crime statistics of cities with the least gun control—the same cities whose crime rates are consistently and significantly below the national average. Why do we never hear Kennesaw, Georgia reported in the news?

The small Georgia city passed a law in 1982 that required each household to keep a loaded firearm. After the law was passed, burglaries dropped from 65 in 1982 to 26 in 1983, and down to 11 in 1984. In 2010, Kennesaw’s violent crime rate was 85 percent lower than the national rate. The property crime rate was 57 percent lower than the national rate.

I am not saying that American’s should be required to own firearms, but facts don’t lie: American’s are safer when they are given the choice to defend themselves.

The media is insisting that we have an open discussion on gun-laws after the Newtown incident—and we should. But having an open discussion is reporting all the facts and all the relevant stories. Before they tell us we need to have an open discussion, they need to do more open reporting.

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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2012, 06:24:07 AM »
you are so funny...just repeating yourself like a broken record....libs this and libs that.....WHO DO YOU THINK WROTE THE CONSTITUTION???????........LIBERALS!!!!!

There were other conservative elements in society back then who did not want a constitution.....they felt that the U.S. should remain a part of Britain or at least be in a close association with it....LIBERALS WROTE THE CONSTITUTION AND LIBERALS HAVE ALWAYS ENACTED NEW CONSTITUTUIONAL AMENDMENTS AND CHANGED THE CONSTITUTION.....THIS IS NORMAL, BECAUSE CONSERVATIVES NEVER WANT ANYTHING IN SOCIETY TO CHANGE......LIBERALS ARE PROGRESSIVES....THEY WANT TO SEE CHANGE TO A MORE JUST AND MORE FAIR SOCIETY....WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT????????....ITS REALLY WEIRD THAT YOU OPPOSE THAT......CONSERVATIVES NEVER HAVE AN AGENDA...ITS BASICALLY ALWAYS SAYING "NO" TO ANYTHING WHICH HELPS TO BRING ABOUT THE ABOVE


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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2012, 07:04:03 AM »
Interesting, but I think you are dead wrong that conservatives don't have an agenda. Not wanting change is an agenda. Forcing religious beliefs on others is an agenda. Denying women their rights is an agenda.

okay...I'll buy that

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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2012, 07:06:42 AM »
Lol. What rights are women denied?

And correct I don't want change.  - leave me alone.   You have no moral or justifiable to claim or right to impose your radical leftism on me either.

yes liberals do have a right....people like you are usually a minority in society...a bunch of people who fear change and want to stagnate society because of their own insecurities....

Liberals (or what I call progressives) are usually a majority in society....if they were not then there would never be change...

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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2012, 07:14:05 AM »
3 beat me to it...what the fuck are you talking about. What change exactly should I except......taking my guns, or paying 8 bucks for gas.....or driving a skateboard sized car......liberal delusions.

you trying to stretch your argument really sucks here...driving and gas have nothing to do with the constitution.....

So lets talk about the "changes" you should accept:

The Bill of rights
Freedom of religion
Freedom from taxation without representation
Freedom of speech
Freedom of association
Ending of slavery
The right to vote for women
The Civil Rights Act
Equal education for all
Abortion rights for women
Universal Medicaid and Social Security

All enacted by Liberals...which of these would you not accept??????????????????????

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Re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world
« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2012, 07:19:50 AM »
Speechless at the ignorance on display w the average liberal dolt today.   Go read the Federalist papers and get back to me. 

you trying to stretch your argument really sucks here...driving and gas have nothing to do with the constitution.....

So lets talk about the "changes" you should accept:

The Bill of rights
Freedom of religion
Freedom from taxation without representation
Freedom of speech
Freedom of association
Ending of slavery
The right to vote for women
The Civil Rights Act
Equal education for all
Abortion rights for women
Universal Medicaid and Social Security

All enacted by Liberals...which of these would you not accept??????????????????????