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« on: December 21, 2012, 09:25:19 AM »

Anyone watching this shit

the basic premise is that in order to protect ourselves from their product (well not "theirs" but what they exist to advocate) they suggest we put armed guard in every school in the country

basically we need to turn ourselves into an armed police state in order to protect ourselves from their product rather than putting some sensible and highly supported restrictions on their product

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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2012, 09:30:39 AM »

Anyone watching this shit

the basic premise is that in order to protect ourselves from their product (well not "theirs" but what they exist to advocate) they suggest we put armed guard in every school in the country

basically we need to turn ourselves into an armed police state in order to protect ourselves from their product rather than putting some sensible and highly supported restrictions on their product



What law would have prevented this crime from happening? 
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2012, 09:33:42 AM »

What law would have prevented this crime from happening? 

impossible to answer but I'm sure gun people will revert to their usual argument that if you can't prevent every act of gun violence then we should do nothing at all

that pathetic argument (not saying it yours) is not going to work anymore
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2012, 09:34:00 AM »

What law would have prevented this crime from happening? 

As far as I'm aware, there are already many laws to prevent this and the fact is simple... You can't stop crazy.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2012, 09:37:19 AM »

As far as I'm aware, there are already many laws to prevent this and the fact is simple... You can't stop crazy.

Laws don't prevent psychopathic people from committing acts like this guy did. 

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2012, 09:37:44 AM »

Laws don't prevent psychopathic people from committing acts like this guy did. 



They never will... That's why they are called CRAZY.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2012, 09:47:19 AM »

They never will... That's why they are called CRAZY.

crazy people won't be able to understand the nuance
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2012, 09:50:25 AM »

Anyone watching this shit

the basic premise is that in order to protect ourselves from their product (well not "theirs" but what they exist to advocate) they suggest we put armed guard in every school in the country

basically we need to turn ourselves into an armed police state in order to protect ourselves from their product rather than putting some sensible and highly supported restrictions on their product


What sensible and highly supported restrictions are you talking about straw?
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2012, 09:53:36 AM »

What sensible and highly supported restrictions are you talking about straw?

we can start with the ones that have large support among NRA members and go from there

Here is a poll from July 2012 (and conducted by Frank Luntz)

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/poll-07-24-2012.pdf

74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun.
79 percent of NRA members and 80 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring gun retailers to perform background checks on all employees - a measure recently endorsed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms industry.

75 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors, including assault.

74 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.

68 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.

63 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.

The NRA rank and file also supports barring people on terror watch lists from buying guns (71 percent) and believe the law should require gun owners to alert police to lost and stolen guns (64 percent). The NRA's Washington office strongly opposes both measures
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2012, 10:19:09 AM »

we can start with the ones that have large support among NRA members and go from there

Here is a poll from July 2012 (and conducted by Frank Luntz)

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/poll-07-24-2012.pdf

74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun.
79 percent of NRA members and 80 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring gun retailers to perform background checks on all employees - a measure recently endorsed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms industry.

75 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors, including assault.

74 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.

68 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.

63 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.

The NRA rank and file also supports barring people on terror watch lists from buying guns (71 percent) and believe the law should require gun owners to alert police to lost and stolen guns (64 percent). The NRA's Washington office strongly opposes both measures
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I could get behind most but not all of these.

The problem is the legislation we will see will have idiotic parts to it like trying to reinstate moronic awb.

I bet there will be a stark contrast between these proposals and obamas commisions proposal

What other legislation would you like instituted straw?
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2012, 01:10:38 PM »

Want to enforce gun control laws?  Just have the blacks and Mexicans start joining the NRA in droves and obtaining legally registered assault weapons to defend their hoods.  That shit will become regulated overnight.
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2012, 01:10:59 PM »

impossible to answer but I'm sure gun people will revert to their usual argument that if you can't prevent every act of gun violence then we should do nothing at all

that pathetic argument (not saying it yours) is not going to work anymore

Nobody is suggesting that we do nothing. What SHOULD NOT BE DONE is this gun control crap, because that ain't stopping people who have decided to murder people on cold blood.

The laws against theft didn't stop Lanza from stealing his mama's gun, did it?

What's pathetic is this take of yours that murderous, devil-worshipping madmen, hell-bent on carnage, are suddenly going to become docile critters, because of some stupid left-winged, Obama-endorsed law (disarming law-abiding citizens) 
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2012, 01:15:28 PM »

Want to enforce gun control laws?  Just have the blacks and Mexicans start joining the NRA in droves and obtaining legally registered assault weapons to defend their hoods.  That shit will become regulated overnight.

PLEASE!! Obama's home city has black people, shooting each other, left and right. Yet, Obama's gun control flap was noticeably ABSENT!

Oh, I forgot!! Black people killing each other doesn't advance liberal policies very well. It's only white people being shot, or blacks being shot by (actual or perceived) white people that matter.
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2012, 01:36:45 PM »

we can start with the ones that have large support among NRA members and go from there

Here is a poll from July 2012 (and conducted by Frank Luntz)

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/poll-07-24-2012.pdf

74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun.
79 percent of NRA members and 80 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring gun retailers to perform background checks on all employees - a measure recently endorsed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms industry.

75 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors, including assault.

74 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.

68 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.

63 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.

The NRA rank and file also supports barring people on terror watch lists from buying guns (71 percent) and believe the law should require gun owners to alert police to lost and stolen guns (64 percent). The NRA's Washington office strongly opposes both measures
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Lanza's mother followed all of those rules (as far as we know), except she got shot, before she could report her gun stolen.
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2012, 02:02:39 PM »

PLEASE!! Obama's home city has black people, shooting each other, left and right. Yet, Obama's gun control flap was noticeably ABSENT!

Oh, I forgot!! Black people killing each other doesn't advance liberal policies very well. It's only white people being shot, or blacks being shot by (actual or perceived) white people that matter.

Has absolutely NOTHING to do with the statement I made.  My statement was about the NRA ranks and a knock about their members.  Not Obama.  Not Chicago.  Not black on black crime.  Nor any color on any color crime at all.
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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2012, 02:03:51 PM »

Nobody is suggesting that we do nothing. What SHOULD NOT BE DONE is this gun control crap, because that ain't stopping people who have decided to murder people on cold blood.

The laws against theft didn't stop Lanza from stealing his mama's gun, did it?

What's pathetic is this take of yours that murderous, devil-worshipping madmen, hell-bent on carnage, are suddenly going to become docile critters, because of some stupid left-winged, Obama-endorsed law (disarming law-abiding citizens) 

Do you actually believe the horseshit you wrote

Interesting that you believe "something" should be done but not "this gun control crap".
Even NRA members dont agree with you much less the majority of your fellow citizens

How in the world did your brain arrive at the conclusion that gun laws will turn insane people into "docile critters"?     I never said anything of the sort but somehow thats where your mind took you.    

Btw - nice touch with the devil worshiping part.   From what I've read he was politically aware and considered himself a conservative/libertarian

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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2012, 04:08:00 PM »

Do you actually believe the horseshit you wrote

Interesting that you believe "something" should be done but not "this gun control crap".
Even NRA members dont agree with you much less the majority of your fellow citizens

How in the world did your brain arrive at the conclusion that gun laws will turn insane people into "docile critters"?     I never said anything of the sort but somehow thats where your mind took you.    

Btw - nice touch with the devil worshiping part.   From what I've read he was politically aware and considered himself a conservative/libertarian



Because it is something "Obama" wants it deserves the spin here.

Meanwhile, the other candidate Romney has shown he was already for stricter gun laws even BEFORE this incident took place.
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2012, 04:09:01 PM »

Because it is something "Obama" wants it deserves the spin here.

Meanwhile, the other candidate Romney has shown he was already for stricter gun laws even BEFORE this incident took place.


Tell me what law would have stopped Lanza
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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2012, 04:13:07 PM »


Tell me what law would have stopped Lanza

Who said I was talking about a law?  You made that up didn't you?  Try again.
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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2012, 04:14:18 PM »

Who said I was talking about a law?  You made that up didn't you?  Try again.

Obama and his cult of cry babies are trying to ram new gun laws through as if a new law would have stopped lanza.   Since you support O-TWINK in this, please explain the law that would have stopped this that justifies a new law now? 
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« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2012, 04:14:50 PM »


Tell me what law would have stopped Lanza

Losers is forbidden to carry firearms.

Hard to enforce though..
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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2012, 04:16:39 PM »

Losers is forbidden to carry firearms.

Hard to enforce though..


300,000,000 guns in circulation - no law can stop reality
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2012, 04:18:48 PM »


300,000,000 guns in circulation - no law can stop reality

Not without a change of the constitution.
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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2012, 04:20:18 PM »

Not without a change of the constitution.

And th chance of that is 0%  - so we are faced w crime and bad shit - thats life. 
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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2012, 04:56:42 PM »

Obama and his cult of cry babies are trying to ram new gun laws through as if a new law would have stopped lanza.   Since you support O-TWINK in this, please explain the law that would have stopped this that justifies a new law now? 

great point as always

we can't stop all murders or all drunk driving so why bother making any laws against them or doing anything to lessen the incidence of murder or drunk driving

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