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« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2012, 08:35:31 PM » |
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how about this guy? |
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tonymctones
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« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2012, 08:36:38 PM » |
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surely you would have enough time to bum rush this guy.... |
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« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2012, 08:39:37 PM » |
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tonymctones
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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2012, 08:40:33 PM » |
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Now we can continue to rant and rave about the instrument these sociopaths are using or we can address the fact that they are sociopaths and deal with the root problem.
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333386
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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2012, 08:43:07 PM » |
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A guy w a shotgun and 50 shells of 4 buck would have probably killed more people given the circumstances and time frame
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« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2012, 08:53:42 PM » |
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You think you would have enough time with this guys mag change straw? the shooter in AZ was only stopped when he was trying to reload All the videos of guys under NO STRESS and who practice fast clip changes don't change that FACT I guess if he were a professional soldier or a gun nut who practiced a lot he could have done it faster how many of these shooting incidents involve people like that? Aren't all these shooters usually crazy fucks and not rational, well trained people ? |
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« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2012, 08:56:09 PM » |
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A guy w a shotgun and 50 shells of 4 buck would have probably killed more people given the circumstances and time frame
what's the highest capacity shotgun ? I'm guessing a lot less than 50 shells |
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« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2012, 09:00:06 PM » |
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what's the highest capacity shotgun ?
I'm guessing a lot less than 50 shells
I have a Saiga 12, Mossbeeg 500, Remi 870, as well as a Benelli 12 Guage. To be honest - were i going into a war zone or trying to go in for the kill, the Remi 870 pump action is what im going in with. 6 shots in the tube. However, each shot of 4 buck into a crowd would do serious damage. Mossberg is great weapon as is the bennelli The Saiga jams sometimes but its a semi auto. |
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« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2012, 09:02:15 PM » |
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the shooter in AZ was only stopped when he was trying to reload
All the videos of guys under NO STRESS and who practice fast clip changes don't change that FACT
I guess if he were a professional soldier or a gun nut who practiced a lot he could have done it faster
how many of these shooting incidents involve people like that?
Aren't all these shooters usually crazy fucks and not rational, well trained people ?
he was also carrying his extra mags in his pockets not in any case designed for easy access. The reason ppl had enough time to jump him is b/c he dropped the magazine!!! Youre proposed law is easy to get around and does not address the problem. Do you not understand that? YOURE NOT ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM!!! |
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« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2012, 09:14:20 PM » |
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he was also carrying his extra mags in his pockets not in any case designed for easy access.
The reason ppl had enough time to jump him is b/c he dropped the magazine!!!
Youre proposed law is easy to get around and does not address the problem.
Do you not understand that?
YOURE NOT ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM!!!
do you understand that he was only stopped when he was trying to reload YES or NO? |
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« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2012, 09:21:35 PM » |
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do you understand that he was only stopped when he was trying to reload
YES or NO?
absolutely, do you understand how easy it easy to practice and fast you can change a magazine when you have practiced it? do you understand that he was carrying his magazine in his pants pocket and not in a case specifically designed for quick and easy access? MOST IMPORTANTLY!!! do you understand that guns arent whats causing these maniacs to do these things and that limiting or even banning all guns wont stop these ppl from killing others? Do you understand youre not addressing the problem? |
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« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2012, 09:25:07 PM » |
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absolutely, do you understand how easy it easy to practice and fast you can change a magazine when you have practiced it?
do you understand that he was carrying his magazine in his pants pocket and not in a case specifically designed for quick and easy access?
MOST IMPORTANTLY!!!
do you understand that guns arent whats causing these maniacs to do these things and that limiting or even banning all guns wont stop these ppl from killing others?
Do you understand youre not addressing the problem?
In all honesty - I consider my pistol grip Mossberg 500 pistol grip 12 guage my most deadly weapon. I haqve AR, AK, .308 sniper rifle, glocks, benelli, berettas, walthers, etc, But you know what 12 guage 00 buck and im filled with shells - thats hell right there |
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« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2012, 09:31:16 PM » |
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coke vs pepsi.
9 mm vs 45.
dorian vs ronnie.
the debate continues
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« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2012, 09:32:49 PM » |
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coke vs pepsi.
9 mm vs 45.
dorian vs ronnie.
the debate continues
for me - its best to have all of the above. The only gun i still want i dont have is the SA SOCOM .308 Scout . Its like 2,000 but i got to get it s |
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« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2012, 09:33:17 PM » |
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absolutely, do you understand how easy it easy to practice and fast you can change a magazine when you have practiced it?
do you understand that he was carrying his magazine in his pants pocket and not in a case specifically designed for quick and easy access?
MOST IMPORTANTLY!!!
do you understand that guns arent whats causing these maniacs to do these things and that limiting or even banning all guns wont stop these ppl from killing others?
Do you understand youre not addressing the problem?
yes, guns are not CAUSING these people to commit mass murder they are ALLOWING them to do it we can't stop it I think we can agree on that if so, we can proceed to the strategy that we can find ways to limit their ability to kill regardless of whether the shooter in AZ dropped his magazine HE STILL HAD TO STOP AND RELOAD |
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« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2012, 09:35:34 PM » |
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yes, guns are not CAUSING these people to commit mass murder
they are ALLOWING them to do it
we can't stop it
I think we can agree on that
if so, we can proceed to the strategy that we can find ways to limit their ability to kill
regardless of whether the shooter in AZ dropped his magazine HE STILL HAD TO STOP AND RELOAD
Go read about Gacy , Dahmer, Gein, Berkowitz, Menendez, etc. I truly believe Lanza was no different than a serial killer |
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« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2012, 09:36:21 PM » |
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Go read about Gacy , Dahmer, Gein, Berkowitz, Menendez, etc. I truly believe Lanza was no different than a serial killer
that's because you're a moron and apparently the dumbest lawyer in the world |
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« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2012, 09:40:01 PM » |
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yes, guns are not CAUSING these people to commit mass murder
they are ALLOWING them to do it
we can't stop it
I think we can agree on that
if so, we can proceed to the strategy that we can find ways to limit their ability to kill
regardless of whether the shooter in AZ dropped his magazine HE STILL HAD TO STOP AND RELOAD
Do you realize you are not addressing the cause of these attacks? Again the two worst mass murders in US history were done without guns. You realize that if you actually address the problem then you might stop the attacks all together? |
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« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2012, 09:42:06 PM » |
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that's because you're a moron and apparently the dumbest lawyer in the world
So the guns caused him to go into that school? I have 5x the guns n my safe that Lanza's mom had and thousands of rounds of ammo and am not a threat to any one - yet you think this dude committed these crimes why? |
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« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2012, 09:43:56 PM » |
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Do you realize you are not addressing the cause of these attacks?
Again the two worst mass murders in US history were done without guns. You realize that if you actually address the problem then you might stop the attacks all together?
the cause is undiagnosed mental illness if you have a solution to that then spill it until then we have to find ways to lessen the ability to commit mass murder in 30 seconds |
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« Reply #45 on: December 22, 2012, 09:44:41 PM » |
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So the guns caused him to go into that school?
I have 5x the guns n my safe that Lanza's mom had and thousands of rounds of ammo and am not a threat to any one - yet you think this dude committed these crimes why?
no we've already established you're a moron why do you keep offering more proof |
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« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2012, 09:46:07 PM » |
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the cause is undiagnosed mental illness
if you have a solution to that then spill it
until then we have to find ways to lessen the ability to commit mass murder in 30 seconds
This freak could have gotten a 5 gallon cannister of gas, a molotov cocktail, a pipe bomb, etc and done just as much harm |
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« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2012, 09:51:23 PM » |
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the cause is undiagnosed mental illness
if you have a solution to that then spill it
until then we have to find ways to lessen the ability to commit mass murder in 30 seconds
You seem to be unable to understand that these crazies will always find a way to inflict as much death as possible. If it isnt a gun it will be some other medium like a bomb that they use. How about investing in training and education on spotting the signs of mental illness and addressing it? Your reaction is understandable but its a knee jerk reaction that will ultimately prove to be futile b/c it doesnt address the main underlying cause. |
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« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2012, 09:55:42 PM » |
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You seem to be unable to understand that these crazies will always find a way to inflict as much death as possible. If it isnt a gun it will be some other medium like a bomb that they use.
How about investing in training and education on spotting the signs of mental illness and addressing it?
Your reaction is understandable but its a knee jerk reaction that will ultimately prove to be futile b/c it doesnt address the main underlying cause.
I totally understand that I don't think we can stop these guys and I don't think limiting their ability to kill is a bad thing I'm guessing you think not having access to a 30 round clip is a worse thing than making those inaccessible to EVERYONE except LE |
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« Reply #49 on: December 22, 2012, 09:58:48 PM » |
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I totally understand that
I don't think we can stop these guys and I don't think limiting their ability to kill is a bad thing
I'm guessing you think not having access to a 30 round clip is a worse thing than making those inaccessible to EVERYONE except LE
Would not have mattered. 10 - 10 rounds clips is just as deadly. From what I gather - the mother is mostly to blame here along w this psychotic nut |
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