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« on: January 03, 2013, 03:23:40 AM »

European Murder Rates Compared to the United States: Demographics vs Guns
Gun Watch ^ | 3 January, 2013 | Dean Weingarten
Posted on January 2, 2013 9:38:06 PM EST by marktwain

When the subject is gun control, those who demand more for the United States always point to Europe. Europe, they say, has more gun control than the United States, and lower murder rates. Europe, of course, is a diverse place. Some places have lots of guns and low murder rates. Some places have few guns and higher murder rates. The reason that many developed European countries have murder rates much lower than the United States is not guns or gun control. It is demographics.

In 2006 the Department of Justice issued a report on violent felons in large urban counties. It covered the period from 1990 to 2002, and included the 75 most populous counties in the United States. The study accounted for over half of all the murders in the United States in the covered period.

Revealed in the study was a simple breakdown of the demographics of the murderers that is not commonly available. Murderers were divided into three groups. Blacks were the most numerous at 46%. Hispanics were next at 27 percent. Non-Hispanic whites were last at 23 percent.

While the study does not account for all murders in the period studied, it accounts for more than half and almost certainly slightly understates the percentages of Black murderers, because the latest FBI statistics (for 2010) show that when all the murders in the U.S are taken into account, the percentage of Black murderers is over 53 percent.

No one would dispute that there are several distinct cultures among the American black population. No one would dispute that none of these cultures exist in Europe in any statistically significant numbers. Some of the Black American subcultures probably have very low murder rates. We cannot tell because we do not have the data to distinguish between them.

Similarly, there are a number of distinct Hispanic cultures in the United States. These are all derived from cultures in Mexico, Central and South America, and the Caribbean. They are not Spanish or Portuguese. No one would argue that any statistical number of these populations exist in Europe. No doubt, some of these cultures also have very low murder rates, but without data, we cannot separate them out.

Where does that lead us? If we take the 23 percent figure for non-Hispanic whites to be representative for the entire population (remember, it is likely a good bit lower), then the number of murders committed by non-Hispanic and non-black people in the United States for 2010 would be 2989.

The population of non-Hispanic whites for 2010 was 196.8 million. Applying the 2989 murders to this population gives a murder rate of 1.52 per 100,000 population. We cannot get a more precise figure unless we have more demographic data than that given. Asian-Americans, for example, have historically had very low murder rates, but we do not have the data. The 1.52 per 100,000 murder rate is right in the middle of the murder rate of developed European countries. Add the Black and Hispanic numbers back into the mix and apply to the entire United States population, and the murder rate goes up to 4.2 per 100,000. Guns or gun control simply do not correlate to higher murder rates, particularly when you consider that non-Hispanic Whites own guns at much higher rates than do Blacks or Hispanics in the United States.

There are huge numbers of German-Americans, English-Americans, Greek-Americans, Italian-Americans, Scandinavian and Swiss-Americans in the United States. There are no statistically significant numbers of African-American or Hispanic-Americans in Europe.

As a check, you might consider a non-European example. Japan has extreme gun control and extremely low murder rates. The FBI used to track murders by Japanese-Americans before 1980, when access to firearms was relatively easy.

The murder rate of Japanese Americans was less than half that of Japanese in Japan.

Murder rates are driven by cultural background, not by the instrument used.

European murder and gun ownership rates: Link

Department of Justice Study with demographic data: Link

FBI homicide statistics, 2010: Link

Japanese and Japanese American murder rates: Link

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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2013, 03:24:14 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2013, 08:23:37 PM »

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HOUSTON -- A couple of strangers came to the rescue when a man was robbed at gunpoint. Now, the victim wants to say thank you to the Good Samaritans.
 
Police believe the criminal who was canvassing a neighborhood in the 2500 block of Wichita near Hermann Park had no idea what he was in for when he picked his target.
 
The victim in this case had just walked back to his car from a bar around the corner.
 
Kevin Dorsey says he hadnt even closed his car door Thursday night when a man wearing all black and a ski mask put a gun to his chest. The man took Dorseys wallet, cell phone and car keys.
 
After he was robbed, Dorsey began running down the street and says two men in a Mercedes asked him what had happened.
 
Dorsey told them and they not only caught up with the suspect, but they started shooting at him.
 
The suspect fired back. In the end, the two witnesses turned vigilantes won and took down the bad guy.
 
I dont believe in guns, said Dorsey. I dont own a gun. Im totally at the mercy of my saviors. They obviously sent two angels to help me. These people protected me when I couldnt protect myself.
 
After the robber had been shot, police say he jumped over a fence and was attacked by a German Shepherd. That attack prevented him from getting away.
 
The suspect, identified as Christopher Hutchins, is being treated at Ben Taub Hospital. Hes expected to recover.
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2013, 08:33:48 PM »

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I dont believe in guns, said Dorsey. I dont own a gun. Im totally at the mercy of my saviors. They obviously sent two angels to help me..."

He doesn't "believe in guns," but he believes in the existence of angels firing guns and is thankful for those angels protecting him with their guns. Good representation of anti-gun people and their mindset.


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After the robber had been shot, police say he jumped over a fence and was attacked by a German Shepherd. That attack prevented him from getting away.

That part made me LOL!!
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2013, 08:47:06 PM »

that area of town here in Houston is the hipster area, very liberal

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2013, 08:47:45 PM »

that area of town here in Houston is the hipster area, very liberal



Sort of like a lot of brooklyn now?   Grin  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2013, 08:49:06 PM »

Sort of like a lot of brooklyn now?   Grin  Grin


Brooklyn is hipster?
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2013, 08:50:35 PM »


Brooklyn is hipster?

The hipsters have taken over many parts of brooklyn now.  Its insane. 
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2013, 08:58:54 PM »

The hipsters have taken over many parts of brooklyn now.  Its insane. 


Geezus...
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2013, 09:00:41 PM »


Geezus...

I went to an event at Brooklyn Brewery recently and driving through formerly hasid Williamsburg was lik driving through hipsterland 
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2013, 09:08:06 PM »

I went to an event at Brooklyn Brewery recently and driving through formerly hasid Williamsburg was lik driving through hipsterland 


I'm very tolerant of most people, but I absolutely despise hipsters.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2013, 09:09:31 PM »


I'm very tolerant of most people, but I absolutely despise hipsters.

Me too.  Trust me - being on the subway and seeing these white anorexic freaks like prey to the wolves is maddening 
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2013, 09:25:39 PM »

Me too.  Trust me - being on the subway and seeing these white anorexic freaks like prey to the wolves is maddening 


Actually, their vulnerability doesn't bother me. Of course I wish no ill will on anyone, but I don't feel bad for people who intentionally refuse to help themselves and/or put themselves in bad situations.

If they don't want to arm themselves, fine. But, don't cry when you can't defend yourself against uneven odds when you could have evened them, but chose not to.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2013, 06:39:41 AM »

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Gun Control Shootout at the DC Corral
 Sultan Knish ^ | January 14, 2013 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 7:53:29 AM by expat1000

After years of languishing under the duck boots of gun owners, gun control advocates are dusting off their iPads and heading into the fray. Their renewed excitement has as much to do with the dead kids of Newtown as it does with the prospect of four years of a lame duck leftist who asserts imperial executive authority and uses the Constitution to clean up coffee spills in the Oval Office.

Taking on the NRA with a gun ban, like taking on pro-Israel voters by nominating a Defense Secretary and CIA Director who prefer that Israel not exist, is part of a larger program of wiping out the political influence of the non-left. And the 2nd Amendment haters who were forced to sit at the back of the big government bus so that senators could get elected in the South are now feeling optimistic about their chances of killing another piece of the living Constitution.

The campaign is cheesily predictable. The designated victims are cutting commercials and making public appearances, led by Gabby Giffords, whose great achievement in life is being a famous woman who got shot in the head, making her the Chief of the Victims, for the moment. Sure a Republican judge was killed in that same shooting, but victimhood, like race, is an exclusive club. Just ask RGIII or all the mothers of dead soldiers who weren't interested in hugging Hugo Chavez.

The designated victim, like the ancient saint, is a martyr to a cause. And with the left, the cause is invariably really big government. The suffering of the saintly victims is monetized by the cause as unquestionable moral authority. The victims are designated, made famous and milked for their victimhood, and then the victimhood is bottled into white jars and shipped to Washington D.C.

Americans are suckers for a sob story. But a lot of them are also suckers for personal freedom. Whenever a bullseye is put on freedom for the greater good, two narratives battle it out for the soul of the country. "We have to fix this" and "Leave me alone."

Think of We have to fix this" and "Leave me alone" as the devil and angel on the shoulders of every cartoon character for the last hundred years. "We have to fix this," wears an earnest expression and her appearance is calculated to suggest nurse, teacher or PTA member, when in reality she's usually an Ivy League grad with a lot of time spent in government and political advocacy and whose kids are raised by Elena from Guatemala, whose immigration status is that of Undocumented Democrat.

"We have to fix this" has the manner of a customer service rep who knows why you're getting screwed and whose job is to get you to stop being so angry about it. "We have to fix this" may be a committed leftist, but also knows that most people don't want to hear it. Like all liberal activists, she's a community organizer, and the job of a community organizer, like that of every meeting chairperson ever, is to encourage the people who agree with her to speak and shut up those who don't by either shaming them or tricking them into compromising their position.

This impromptu community organizing goes on everywhere. Many college students graduate already knowing how to manufacture a consensus by controlling the debate. In an environment where all is political and there are more jobs for activists who manufacture narratives than for factory workers who manufacture products, community organizing is an important peer group and life skill. It is what turns the ordinary bland grad with a degree in nothing employable from another intern into a leader with a six figure salary and a chain full of awards.

The other figure on the shoulder is a familiar one. You can see him on the news talk shows where he shows up as the designated target. Usually he wears his best suit, combs his hair and comes prepared to explain why we shouldn't give up our freedoms just because a California Senator has decided that this is her chance to create a lasting legacy over the bodies of dead children.

What follows has as much to do with debate as the time Bush Senior was asked at a presidential debate how he feels personally about the recession. The right answer was "I feel your pain", but the World War II vet had skipped enough of the seventies that he didn't understand that a discussion about the recession, about gun control or obesity was now all about demonstrating sensitivity to designated victims and then monetizing that sensitivity. Clinton got it and became president.

The NRA's infamous press conference was another case of the same thing. The NRA brought reason where the media wanted feeling. The NRA wanted to discuss the reality of gun violence while the media wanted a display of sensitivity by talking about how the NRA was going to fix gun violence by giving up on its civil rights stance of "Leave me alone."

"Leave me alone" is a lonely figure in today's America where the cowboys are gone and the jet pilots are attending sensitivity training on same sex relationships. The national dialogue is dominated by a media whose only message is the incessant chant of, "Let's fix it." And they never notice that the more they fix things, the more broken the country becomes.

But there's still a great deal of visceral sympathy for "Leave it alone" from millions of Americans who have their privacy violated and their rights abridged by government officials every day. They like the thought of a little rebellion, even symbolic, and every time a gun ban is put on the table, they begin buying up the stock of sporting goods stores.

The ordinary Americans may have to account to the government for how he heats his home, mows his yard, feeds his hogs, fuels his car, teaches his kids, sells his crops and fixes his roof, but the 2nd allows him to hang on to the illusion that he is his own master and that at any moment an uprising can sweep away the petty bureaucrats who have their Vibrams on his neck. And maybe one day it can.

The Master of Hope and Change is out to kill any hope that there can ever be any form of relief from total government intervention. O understands the trouble with allowing the peasants to cling to their guns and bibles. The bibles preach a creed other than Obamosity and the guns maintain the illusion that there is any breathing room at all for the ordinary American.

"Let fix it" has been sent out once again to fix this illusion the same way that so many others were fixed, by convincing the populace that life will be better without freedom.

Point to a problem. Chant, "We're better than this." Organize a rally. Make cheerful speeches about the future. Mention the children. Ask, "What kind of world do we want them to grow up in?" Talk about how Europe is ahead of us in this area. Mention a personal tragedy. Close with the theme of how we can fix this one problem, and then when we've fixed it, we can fix all the rest too, one by one down the line like a row of painted ducks in a shooting gallery.

The question is will it work. Will "Let's fix it" or "Leave me alone" win the debate? The media have weighed in on the side of the little government devil. The billionaires are busy funding ads that millionaire celebrities will appear in to demand a plan or have a conversation or any of the other euphemisms for "Let's fix it." But the money and media power of the gun control Goliaths doesn't always carry the day.

The more troubled times are, the more Americans reach for a sense of security. For some that means independence and for others it means dependency. And though the last election might make it seem as if we already had that debate and lost it, it's an ongoing debate and it's been around for much longer than the law dart, the machine gun and the supersized soda.

"Leave me alone" finds security in independence. "Let's fix it" finds security in dependency. Neither of them really speaks the same language. As kids, when something went wrong, "Let's fix it" ran to find an adult to tattle to, and "Leave me alone" cleaned it up.

Time passed and the big adults are big government and tattling is patriotic. Now the tattlers, who are always expert at crying on cue and being professional victims, are descending on D.C., flapping their wings on the Capitol Dome and then flying off to whine across the land in nightly performances coming to a rigidly controlled town hall meeting near you.

"Leave me alone" works meanwhile, doing all the difficulty dirty work whose proceeds flow into the coffers of the "Let's fix it" crowd and hopes for nothing else than to be left alone.
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2013, 06:49:34 AM »

hilarious story.

robs someone... is chased... fires a shot and ends up getting shot... climmbs to escape and a dog chews him up... ya know the blood did nothing but get the dog even angrier lol...
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