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« on: January 05, 2013, 03:16:24 PM »

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1. Do you know Aramaic or Hebrew?
Muslims in general have a tendency to disarm any criticisms of Islam and in particular the Koran by asking if the critic has read the Koran in the original Arabic, as though all the difficulties of their Sacred Text will somehow disappear once the reader has mastered the holy language and has direct experience, aural and visual, of the very words of God, to which no translation can do justice.

However, the majority of Muslims are not Arabs or Arabic speaking peoples. The non-Arabic speaking nations of Indonesia with a population of 197 million, Pakistan with 133 million, Iran with 62 million, Turkey with 62 million, India with a Muslim population of about 95 million, out- number by far the total number of native Arabic speakers in about thirty countries in the world estimated as 150 million. Many educated Muslims whose native tongue is not Arabic do learn it in order to read the Koran, but then again the vast majority do not understand Arabic, even though many do learn parts of the Koran by heart without understanding a word.

In other words, the majority of Muslims have to read the Koran in translation in order to understand it. Contrary to what one might think, there have been translations of the Koran into, for instance, Persian since the tenth or eleventh century, and there are translations into Turkish and Urdu. The Koran has now been translated into over a hundred languages, many of them by Muslims themselves, despite some sort of disapproval from the religious authorities.[1]

Even for contemporary Arabic –speaking peoples, reading the Koran is far from being a straightforward matter. The Koran is putatively (in fact it is very difficult to decide exactly what the language of the Koran is) written in what we call Classical Arabic (CA), but modern Arab populations, leaving aside the problem of illiteracy in Arab countries [2], do not speak, read, or write, let alone think in Classical Arabic (CA). We are confronted with the phenomenon of diglossia [3], that is to say, a situation where two varieties of the same language live side by side. The two variations are high and low. High Arabic is sometimes called Modern Literary Arabic or Modern Standard Arabic, and is learned through formal education in school like Latin or Sanskrit, and would be used in sermon, university lecture, news broadcast and for mass media purposes. Low Arabic or Colloquial Arabic is a dialect which native speakers acquire as a mother tongue, and is used at home conversing with family and friends, and is also used in radio or television soap opera. But as Kaye points out, "the differences between many colloquials and the classical language are so great that a fallah (= farmer or peasant) who had never been to school could hardly understand more than a few scattered words and expressions in it without great difficulty. One could assemble dozens of so-called Arabs (fallahin or peasants) in a room, who have never been exposed to the classical language, so that not one could properly understand the other." [4]

Though some scholars do allow for some change and decay, they paint a totally misleading picture of the actual linguistic situation in modern Arabic speaking societies. These scholars imply that anyone able to read a modern Arabic newspaper should have no difficulties with the Koran or any classical Arabic text. They seem totally insensitive "to the evolution of the language, to changes in the usage and meaning of terms over the very long period and in the very broad area in which Classical Arabic has been used." [5] Anyone who has lived in the Middle East in recent years will know that the language of the press is at best semi-literary [6], and certainly simplified as far as structure and vocabulary are concerned. We can discern what would be called grammatical errors from a Classical Arabic point of view in daily newspapers or on television news. This semi-literary language is highly artificial, and certainly no one thinks in it. For an average middle class Arab it would take considerable effort to construct even the simplest sentence, let alone talk, in Classical Arabic. The linguist Pierre Larcher has written of the "considerable gap between Medieval Classical Arabic and Modern Classical Arabic [or what I have been calling Modern Literary Arabic], certain texts written in the former are today the object of explanatory texts in the latter." He then adds in a footnote that he has in his library, based on this model, an edition of the Risala of Shafi`i (died 204/820) which appeared in a collection with the significant title "Getting closer to the Patrimony." [7]

As Kaye puts it, "In support of the hypothesis that modern standard Arabic is ill-defined is the so-called ‘mixed’ language or ‘Inter-Arabic’ being used in the speeches of, say, President Bourguiba of Tunisia, noting that very few native speakers of Arabic from any Arab country can really ever master the intricacies of Classical Arabic grammar in such a way as to extemporaneously give a formal speech in it." [8]

Pierre Larcher [9] has pointed out that wherever you have a linguistic situation where two varieties of the same language coexist, you are also likely to get all sorts of linguistic mixtures, leading some linguists to talk of triglossia. Gustav Meiseles [10] even talks of quadriglossia: between Literary Arabic and Vernacular Arabic, he distinguishes a Sub-Standard Arabic and an Educated Spoken Arabic. Still others speak of pluri- or multi- or polyglossia, viewed as a continuum. [11]

The style of the Koran is difficult, totally unlike the prose of today, and the Koran would be largely incomprehensible without glossaries, indeed entire commentaries. In conclusion, even the most educated of Arabs will need some sort of a translation if he or she wished to make sense of that most gnomic, elusive and allusive of holy scriptures, the Koran.

You are asked aggressively, "do you know Arabic?" Then you are told triumphantly, "You have to read the Koran in the original Arabic to understand it fully." Non-Muslims, Western freethinkers and atheists are usually reduced to sullen silence with these Muslim tactics; they indeed become rather coy and self-defensive when it comes to criticism of Islam; they feebly complain “who am I to criticise Islam? I do not know any Arabic.” And yet they are quite happy to criticise Christianity. How many Western freethinkers and atheists know Hebrew? How many even know what the language of Esra chapter 4 verses 6-8 is? Or in what language the New Testament was written? Of course, Muslims are also free in their criticism of the Bible and Christianity without knowing a word of Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek.

So let me summarise: You do not need to know Arabic to criticise Islam or the Koran. Paul Kurtz does not know Arabic but he did a great job on Islam in his book The Transcendental Temptation. [12] You only need a critical sense, critical thought and scepticism. Second, there are translations of the Koran, by Muslims themselves, so Muslims cannot claim that there has been deliberate tampering of the text by infidel translators. Third, the majority of Muslims are not Arabs, and are not Arabic speakers. So a majority of Muslims also have to rely on translations. Finally, the language of the Koran is some form of Classical Arabic [13] which is totally different from the spoken Arabic of today, so even Muslim Arabs have to rely on translations to understand their holy text. Arabic is a Semitic language related to Hebrew and Aramaic, and is no easier but also no more difficult to translate than any other language. Of course, there are all sorts of difficulties with the language of the Koran, but these difficulties have been recognized by Muslim scholars themselves. The Koran is indeed a rather opaque text but it is opaque to everyone. Even Muslim scholars do not understand a fifth of it.

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Let us now turn to another argument or defensive tactic used by Muslims: the "you have quoted out of context" defense. What do they mean by "You have quoted out of context"? This could mean two things: first, the historical context to which the various verses refer, or second, the textual context, the actual place in a particular chapter that the verse quoted comes from. The historical context argument is not available in fact to Muslims, since the Koran is the eternal word of God and true and valid for always. Thus for Muslims themselves there is no historical context. Of course, non-Muslims can legitimately and do avail themselves of the historical or cultural context to argue, for instance, that Islamic culture as a whole is anti-woman. Muslims did contradict themselves when they introduced the notion of abrogation, when a historically earlier verse was cancelled by a later one. This idea of abrogation was concocted to deal with the many contradictions in the Koran. What is more, it certainly backfires for those liberal Muslims who wish to give a moderate interpretation to the Koran since all the verses advocating tolerance (there are some but not many) have been abrogated by the verses of the sword.

Out of Context Argument Used Against Muslims Themselves:

Now for the textual context. First, of course, this argument could be turned against Muslims themselves. When they produce a verse preaching tolerance, we could also say that they have quoted out of context, or more pertinently (1) that such a verse has been cancelled by a more belligerent and intolerant one, (2) that in the overall context of the Koran and the whole theological construct that we call Islam (i.e. in the widest possible context), the tolerant verses are anomalous, or have no meaning, since Muslim theologians ignored them completely in developing Islamic Law, or that (3) the verses do not say what they seem to say.

For instance, after September 11, 2001, many Muslims and apologists of Islam glibly came out with the following Koranic quote to show that Islam and the Koran disapproved of violence and killing: Sura V.32: "Whoever killed a human being shall be looked upon as though he had killed all mankind ".

Unfortunately, these wonderful sounding words are being quoted out of context. Here is the entire quote: V.32: "That was why We laid it down for the Israelites that whoever killed a human being, except as a punishment for murder or other villainy in the land, shall be looked upon as though he had killed all mankind; and that whoever saved a human life shall be regarded as though he had saved all mankind. Our apostles brought them veritable proofs: yet it was not long before many of them committed great evils in the land. Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder shall be put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the country."

The supposedly noble sentiments are in fact a warning to Jews. Behave or else is the message. Far from abjuring violence, these verses aggressively point out that anyone opposing the Prophet will be killed, crucified, mutilated and banished!

Behind the textual context argument is thus the legitimate suspicion that by quoting only a short passage from the Koran I have somehow distorted its real meaning. I have, so the accusation goes, lifted the offending quote from the chapter in which it was embedded, and hence, somehow altered its true sense. What does "context" mean here? Do I have to quote the sentence before the offending passage, and the sentence after? Perhaps two sentences before and after? The whole chapter? Ultimately, of course, the entire Koran is the context.

The context, far from helping Muslims get out of difficulties only makes the barbaric principle apparent in the offending quote more obvious, as we have seen from Sura V.32 just quoted. Let us take some other examples. Does the Koran say that men have the right to physically beat their wives or not? I say yes, and quote the following verses to prove my point:

Sura IV.34:"As for those [women] from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge [or beat] them "

This translation comes from a Muslim. Have I somehow distorted the meaning of these lines? Let us have a wider textual context:

Sura IV.34: "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. God is high, supreme."

If anything, the wider textual context makes things worse for those apologists of Islam who wish to minimize the misogyny of the Koran. The oppression of women has divine sanction, women must obey God and their men, who have divine authorization to scourge them. One Muslim translator, Yusuf Ali, clearly disturbed by this verse adds the word "lightly "in brackets after "beat "even though there is no "lightly "in the original Arabic. An objective reading of the entire Koran (that is the total context) makes grim reading as far as the position of women is concerned. There are at least forty passages in the Koran that are misogynistic in character.

Finally, of course, many of the verses that we shall quote later advocating killing of unbelievers were taken by Muslims themselves to develop the theory of Jihad. Muslim scholars themselves referred to sura VIII.67, VIII.39, and Sura II.216 to justify Holy War. Again the context makes it clear that it is the battle field that is being referred to, and not some absurd moral struggle; these early Muslims were warriors after booty, land and women not some existential heroes from the pages of Albert Camus or Jean-Paul Sartre.
Let us take another example: Sura IX. Here I have tried to use where possible translations by Muslims or Arabophone scholars, to avoid the accusation of using infidel translations. However, many Muslim translators have a tendency to soften down the harshness of the original Arabic, particularly in translating the Arabic word jahada, e.g. Sura IX verse 73. Maulana Muhammad Ali, of the Ahmadiyyah sect, translates this passage as: "O Prophet, strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be firm against them. And their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." In a footnote of an apologetic nature, Muhammad Ali rules out the meaning "fighting" for jahada. However, the Iraqi non-Muslim scholar Dawood in his Penguin translation renders this passage as: "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate."

How do we settle the meaning of this verse? The whole context of Sura IX indeed makes it clear that "make war "in the literal and not some metaphorical sense is meant. Let us take another verse from this Sura, Sura IX.5: "Then, when the sacred months have passed away, kill the idolaters wherever you find them ..." These words are usually cited to show what fate awaits idolaters. Well, what of the context? The words immediately after these just quoted say, "and seize them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them." Ah, you might say, you have deliberately left out the words that come after those. Let us quote them then, "If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful." Surely these are words of tolerance, you plead. Hardly: they are saying that if they become Muslims then they will be left in peace. In fact, the whole sura, which has 129 verses (approximately 14 pages in the Penguin translation by Dawood), in other words, the whole context, is totally intolerant; and is indeed the source of many totalitarian Islamic laws and principles, such as the concepts of Jihad and dhimmis, the latter proclaiming the inferior status of Christians and Jews in an Islamic state. All our quotes from the Arabic sources in Part One also, of course, provide the historical context of raids, massacres, booty, and assassinations, which make it crystal clear that real bloody fighting is being advocated.

First the idolaters, how can you trust them? Most of them are evildoers (IX. Cool; fight them (IX. 12, 14); they must not visit mosques (IX. 18); they are unclean (IX. 28); you may fight the idolaters even during the sacred months (IX. 36). "It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin after it has become clear they are people of hell-fire." (IX.113) So much for forgiveness! Even your parents are to be shunned if they do not embrace Islam: IX. 23 "O you who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you takes them for friends, such are wrong-doers." In other words if you are friendly with your parents who are not Muslims, you are being immoral.

The theory of Jihad is derived from verses 5 and 6 already quoted but also from the following verses:

IX. 38 - 39: Believers, why is it that when it is said to you: 'March in the cause of God ', you linger slothfully in the land? Are you content with this life in preference to the life to come? Few indeed are the blessings of this life, compared to those of the life to come. If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men.
IX. 41: Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of God, with your wealth and with your persons.
IX. 73: Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal harshly with them.

The word that I have translated as fight is jahid. Some translators translate it as go forth or strive. Dawood translates it as fight, as does Penrice in his Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, where it is defined as: To strive, contend with, fight -especially against the enemies of Islam. While Hans Wehr in his celebrated Arabic dictionary translates it as "endeavour, strive; to fight; to wage holy war against the infidels."

As for the intolerance against Jews and Christians, and their inferior status as dhimmis, we have IX verses 29 -35:

"Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe neither in God nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace the true faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.
"The Jews say Ezra is the son of God, while the Christians say the Messiah is the son of God. Such are their assertions, by which they imitate the infidels of old. God confound them! How perverse they are!
"They make of their clerics and their monks, and of the Messiah, the son of Mary, Lords besides God; though they were ordered to serve one God only. There is no god but Him. Exalted be He above those whom they deify besides Him!....
"It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters may dislike it
"O you who believe ! Lo! Many of the Jewish rabbis and the Christian monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar men from the way of Allah; They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings of painful doom ..."

The moral of all the above is clear: Islam is the only true religion, Jews and Christians are devious and money-grubbing, who are not to be trusted, and even have to pay a tax in the most humiliating way. I do not think I need quote any more from Sura IX, although it goes on in this vein verse after verse.
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2013, 04:31:04 PM »

Good read!   Thanks!
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2013, 06:09:02 PM »

There is No God but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger  Smiley

keep trying, I know the truth of islam keeps Loco up at night and drives Stefano crazy  Cool.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2013, 07:24:05 PM »

Correction.


There is No God calles Allah and Mohammad is a pedophile  Smiley

keep trying, I know the truth of islam keeps Achmutt and his gimmick account up at night coming up with excuses  Cool.

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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2013, 07:47:36 PM »

There is No God but Allah and Mohammad,Moses,Noah,Jesus are his messengers  
keep trying, I know the truth of islam keeps Loco up at night and drives Stefano crazy  

funny thing is YOUR a gimmick. you dissapear then come of nowhere. your the gimmick of some christian on here thats why your accusing me of being Ahmeds gimmick.

try harder  Cool your nothing but a joke.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2013, 08:18:17 PM »

There is No God but Allah and Mohammad,Moses,Noah,Jesus are his messengers  
keep trying, I know the truth of islam keeps Loco up at night and drives Stefano crazy  

funny thing is YOUR a gimmick. you dissapear then come of nowhere. your the gimmick of some christian on here thats why your accusing me of being Ahmeds gimmick.

try harder  Cool your nothing but a joke.

Thats because you are achmutts gimmick. You answer everything meant for him. Are online at the same times as well as drone on about the same silly crap.

As for jokes - its your failedpathetic attempts at replies. Have fun melting down after being repeatedly owned and sold  chump change. Go get a tissue and cry awhile before logging back on in one of your many accounts

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2013, 05:01:53 PM »

There is No God but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger  Smiley

keep trying, I know the truth of islam keeps Loco up at night and drives Stefano crazy  Cool.

Oh, was the Muslim deity supposed to keep me up at night?  In that case, it ain't very powerful.    Undecided
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2013, 05:40:21 PM »

lol it's funny that you assume truebb93 is me, just because we say the same things. Never occured to you that islam is one religion for all mankind and that what we're saying about islam is true whether I say it or he says it or bobber says it or stingray says it?

One cannot be muslim without accepting all the prophets and messengers of God and yes as he said, Moses, Jesus, David, Adam, Noah, Muhammad, etc... are all messengers and prophets of God.

We muslims worship the true and one and only God, the God of Abraham, the God of Jesus, the God of Moses, Allah, Elloh, whatever the name in arabic, hebrew or aramaic.
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 07:02:24 PM »

lol it's funny that you assume truebb93 is me, just because we say the same things. Never occured to you that islam is one religion for all mankind and that what we're saying about islam is true whether I say it or he says it or bobber says it or stingray says it?

One cannot be muslim without accepting all the prophets and messengers of God and yes as he said, Moses, Jesus, David, Adam, Noah, Muhammad, etc... are all messengers and prophets of God.

We muslims worship the true and one and only God, the God of Abraham, the God of Jesus, the God of Moses, Allah, Elloh, whatever the name in arabic, hebrew or aramaic.

Well - you have accused me of being someone's gimmick.

Has it never occured to you that us non-Muslims have shared views too. BTW - that is what you have, views, opinions, beliefs, not truths.
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 08:40:13 PM »

Well - you have accused me of being someone's gimmick.

Has it never occured to you that us non-Muslims have shared views too. BTW - that is what you have, views, opinions, beliefs, not truths.

You are right, you have your opinions and views not truths. However as Muslims we are trying to present you the truth of islam, while you are trying to spread lies about islam.

As it happens we Muslims keep repeating the same, while you in ignorance and hate repeat the same of your end.
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2013, 10:53:30 PM »

You are right, you have your opinions and views not truths. However as Muslims we are trying to present you the truth of islam, while you are trying to spread lies about islam.

As it happens we Muslims keep repeating the same, while you in ignorance and hate repeat the same of your end.

You are welcome to hold that opinion
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2013, 02:01:17 PM »

Here's the truth about Islam... A bunch of dopes tricked into Satan worship. That's it period. You don't cut people's head off to cheers of god is great if it really god you are worshipping. I don't even need anymore evidence. And oh yeah, mohammut was a pedophile. Argue against either of those statements please. Let's see if the truth gets deleted again.


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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2013, 03:48:24 PM »

Here's the truth about Islam... A bunch of dopes tricked into Satan worship. That's it period. You don't cut people's head off to cheers of god is great if it really god you are worshipping. I don't even need anymore evidence. And oh yeah, mohammut was a pedophile. Argue against either of those statements please. Let's see if the truth gets deleted again.




its unfortunate you feel this way.  Cry oh well, your loss  Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2013, 05:11:20 PM »

Here's the truth about Islam... A bunch of dopes tricked into Satan worship. That's it period. You don't cut people's head off to cheers of god is great if it really god you are worshipping. I don't even need anymore evidence. And oh yeah, mohammut was a pedophile. Argue against either of those statements please. Let's see if the truth gets deleted again.




I noticed the whole islamic vocabulary thread was deleted.I know i didnt complain.
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2013, 05:26:22 PM »

I'm appalled and upset at the fact either butterbean or mos deleted the thread or if they merged it's gone into the abyss.

I literally put a lot of effort in writing the words with the correct Arabic and translations/explanation.

I clearly stated it's not a thread for discussion, flaming, etc.. and that if flaming began I would report. It was purely a thread for explanations of the words used amongst Muslims and Islam. 24kt obviously found it helpful as she knows some Arab Muslims and Muslims in general that she was not sure what those words meant. Obviously it was meant as an educational thread specifically dealing with vocabulary. I was going to post more words and update and simplify.

Again I am appalled and disappointed at the mods. It's one thing to delete outright hate, slander, mockery, etc... but a thread that is about education of a religion in the religion section?

There are two Christian moderators and not a single Muslim moderator.

Insults are flying left and right calling God satan, pig f*ers, this and that left and right. Not even discussion just outright demeanour and slander. These individuals in question neither believe in God or have any interest in religion yet they troll this section and offer nothing but hatred and mockery.
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2013, 05:34:58 PM »

its unfortunate you feel this way.  Cry oh well, your loss  Cheesy

It's unfortunate that I feel beheadings in the name of God (in your case Satan) are wrong? That was a very telling post which you probably didn't think out. I got it quoted now for all to see though in case you modify it.
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2013, 05:50:45 PM »

Great so you edited your post to leave out much of your loving hate filled words. Yet you still have evil intentions and absolutely no contribution. What kind of person are you and how can you live with yourself is what I wonder.

Repeating the same bs one line statements in hate does not educate anyone and certainly leaves you ignorant. I am still muslim, I am aware of what my religion teaches (properly and correctly -- not whatever you THINK it teaches). You only in my eyes and perhaps in other's eyes who know the truth look like a foolish individual filled with rage.

I mean, how can one even attempt to discuss with a person who when they are corrected, they insist they are the ones that are actually right and keep repeating the same bs one liners. That's very weak and pathetic.

You contribute nothing but hate filled trolling. Plus seriously? We worship satan? Yet the qur'an curses satan and before certain supplications, reading of qur'an etc... we say we seek refuge with God from the accursed satan.

Come on now, and it's not like I did not explain to you that before, you are just trolling with rage and not interested in learning anything either.
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2013, 06:47:49 PM »

It's unfortunate that I feel beheadings in the name of God (in your case Satan) are wrong? That was a very telling post which you probably didn't think out. I got it quoted now for all to see though in case you modify it.

LOL. When did i say beheadings are ok?

rofl...you guys are entertaining.

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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2013, 09:07:41 PM »

I'm appalled and upset at the fact either butterbean or mos deleted the thread or if they merged it's gone into the abyss.

I literally put a lot of effort in writing the words with the correct Arabic and translations/explanation.

I clearly stated it's not a thread for discussion, flaming, etc.. and that if flaming began I would report. It was purely a thread for explanations of the words used amongst Muslims and Islam. 24kt obviously found it helpful as she knows some Arab Muslims and Muslims in general that she was not sure what those words meant. Obviously it was meant as an educational thread specifically dealing with vocabulary. I was going to post more words and update and simplify.

Again I am appalled and disappointed at the mods. It's one thing to delete outright hate, slander, mockery, etc... but a thread that is about education of a religion in the religion section?

There are two Christian moderators and not a single Muslim moderator.

Insults are flying left and right calling God satan, pig f*ers, this and that left and right. Not even discussion just outright demeanour and slander. These individuals in question neither believe in God or have any interest in religion yet they troll this section and offer nothing but hatred and mockery.

This is very typical of a Muslim. Always wanting to have their own rules applied when it suits them.

This is a discussion board - if you want to apply your own set of rules to a thread, then get your own board. Otherwise, expect discussion in your threads and all threads.

Next, you'll be asking for a Sharia section.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2013, 10:15:42 AM »

Another one of my post deleted. Which mod is being an asshat?
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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2013, 11:52:31 AM »

I'm appalled and upset at the fact either butterbean or mos deleted the thread or if they merged it's gone into the abyss.

I literally put a lot of effort in writing the words with the correct Arabic and translations/explanation.

I clearly stated it's not a thread for discussion, flaming, etc.. and that if flaming began I would report. It was purely a thread for explanations of the words used amongst Muslims and Islam. 24kt obviously found it helpful as she knows some Arab Muslims and Muslims in general that she was not sure what those words meant. Obviously it was meant as an educational thread specifically dealing with vocabulary. I was going to post more words and update and simplify.

Again I am appalled and disappointed at the mods. It's one thing to delete outright hate, slander, mockery, etc... but a thread that is about education of a religion in the religion section?

There are two Christian moderators and not a single Muslim moderator.

Insults are flying left and right calling God satan, pig f*ers, this and that left and right. Not even discussion just outright demeanour and slander. These individuals in question neither believe in God or have any interest in religion yet they troll this section and offer nothing but hatred and mockery.

Neither myself nor Butterbean deleted your thread or merged it with another.  That leaves Ron who may have received complaints and simply eliminated it altogether...perhaps he can reinstate it...don't know.  

I deleted a ton of anti-Islamic posts a couple days back and I wasn't asked to do so either.  

Thread was merged with the primary video thread.  Nothing was deleted.  

Feel free to add as many videos as you would like to it.  

In addition, about 60 anti-Islam posts were deleted across multiple threads today.

I've also deleted offensive Christian and atheist posts as well.  I'd have to quit my job and do this full-time in order to clean up all the offensive posts in all threads.  

I recall several highly offensive posts about the "pagan Christian trinity", "the pagan apostle Paul", "Jesus the false God",  Christians are bound for hell, and on and on.....those posts still stand untouched.  Now, who was it that posted that material.....hmmmmm?  

I do know it sucks when you create a well-intentioned thread and it gets highjacked with unrelated content.  I remember a few weeks back I created a thread about favorite Christmas songs and it was immediately hijacked with "Christmas is Pagan" posts and youtube videos.  Again, who was it that did that....hmmmmm?

If something is offensive it will get deleted.  If a ton of like threads are created they will be merged accordingly.  If we miss something simply bring it to our attention.  In addition, if we can assist you or another poster we'd be happy to do so in a respectful, appropriate and fair manner.

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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2013, 12:43:41 PM »

Another one of my post deleted. Which mod is being an asshat?

Your post was so important that I removed it from the main board and added it to my private collection...it was that good!
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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2013, 01:10:06 PM »

Your post was so important that I removed it from the main board and added it to my private collection...it was that good!

It is my personal belief that Islam is worship of Satan. My own belief... Im not trying to convince anyone else of that. So why is that not ok but the propaganda of what these terrorist sympathizers believe not being removed? They are TRYING to convince us we all wrong. So please explain why my beliefs are being descriminated against, and why Assmed can slander me and post things I never said without those being removed? Squeaky wheel gets the oil? Well ... if any more of my posts get removed when I am posting my personal beliefs, and others can post thier personal beliefs, you will have the squeekiest (is that a word?) wheel E V E R on your hands.
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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2013, 01:23:22 PM »

It is my personal belief that Islam is worship of Satan. My own belief... Im not trying to convince anyone else of that. So why is that not ok but the propaganda of what these terrorist sympathizers believe not being removed? They are TRYING to convince us we all wrong. So please explain why my beliefs are being descriminated against, and why Assmed can slander me and post things I never said without those being removed? Squeaky wheel gets the oil? Well ... if any more of my posts get removed when I am posting my personal beliefs, and others can post thier personal beliefs, you will have the squeekiest (is that a word?) wheel E V E R on your hands.
Do you know how many times I've been insulted on Getbig in the last few years because of my beliefs?  Round your post count to the nearest hundred and then multiply it by 20 and maybe then you're in the neighborhood.  

In addition, I've probably had several thousand posts deleted by mods during my time on Getbig.  Good thing too cause many of them were filth.

I haven't done anything capriciously in my time as mod.  I also don't delete any posts hurled my way on this board....oh, I'll delete the negative I read directed at others (best I'm able) and I'll also look into what others specifically bring to my attention, but those insults hurled at me I leave alone.
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2013, 03:04:06 PM »

Do you know how many times I've been insulted on Getbig in the last few years because of my beliefs?  Round your post count to the nearest hundred and then multiply it by 20 and maybe then you're in the neighborhood.  

In addition, I've probably had several thousand posts deleted by mods during my time on Getbig.  Good thing too cause many of them were filth.

I haven't done anything capriciously in my time as mod.  I also don't delete any posts hurled my way on this board....oh, I'll delete the negative I read directed at others (best I'm able) and I'll also look into what others specifically bring to my attention, but those insults hurled at me I leave alone.


The most flawed logic I've ever read.... I didn't direct anything to anyone specific. Saying Allah is Satan is not saying Assmed is Satan... if you don't see the difference you need to be removed as a mod. If a general statement offends someone, they can go get fucked... he misquoted me directly and yet you removed my response not his slander. Get it right going forward or I'll move to have you removed as a mod... and I mostly like you... but that's not doing the job.
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