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« Reply #150 on: April 23, 2013, 02:12:36 PM »

And there you go again you juts have to attack. Pedophilia? No pedophilia means going after children and raping them, abusing them, etc... Muhammad (peace be upon him) and many other prophets and many other past people, married younger than themselves, in fact his first wife was in her 40s when he was 25, much older than him. So in fact the 'modern' concept of 'maturity' at 18 or whatever artificial number is just another example of what men decide. Why were these age laws even put in place? British society had child smuggling prostitution rings and women were abused. That's why.

God knows what's best for us and also instructs us to marry and have proper relationships with our spouses. Not be an animal that goes around with one night stands with thousands of women. Getting drunk, going to clubs. Yes this is the 'modern standard'. Islam teaches us to marry as soon as we are able. I've been married 7 years now and wouldn't change a thing. Wouldn't trade places for those people who still around me are doing one night stands. I am the one that's far more happy than those guys who think they get every chick every night while drunk.

There is a difference between rape and marriage of young people. Who tells you that its evil to marry someone young? Society. So ironically as you bash 'religion' you are endorsing what society and some men's desires set as laws. Including homosexuality.

I've known of some 16 year old who were married in Canada and they are still married and have children, finished their school, are working, happy, etc... Who sets these artificial numbers?

And in case you didn't know in some parts of the world even criticizing homosexuality can lead you to jail. A UK priest was jailed for speaking against the evils of homosexuality.

And you are right e-kul, the world is getting more chaotic, its also more openly abusing God. Most movies now portray or promote what is against God's teachings or even openly attacking God and religion. It's 'good' to be bad. But uncool to be good. It's easier to be bad than easier to be good. People who are a virgin and abstain before marriage are mocked. People who try to be religious are insulted or called backwards. Yes you are right the world is going in the wrong direction and the results are quite clear.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said a day will come where holding onto faith will be like holding onto burning coal or iron. Imagine holding that in your hand. That's exactly how we Muslims are treated as such today. Women are mocked or seen as 'oppressed' for covering, but women who are borderline pornographic are endorsed and 'free'.
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« Reply #151 on: April 23, 2013, 02:23:54 PM »

And there you go again you juts have to attack. Pedophilia? No pedophilia means going after children and raping them, abusing them, etc... Muhammad (peace be upon him) and many other prophets and many other past people, married younger than themselves, in fact his first wife was in her 40s when he was 25, much older than him. So in fact the 'modern' concept of 'maturity' at 18 or whatever artificial number is just another example of what men decide. Why were these age laws even put in place? British society had child smuggling prostitution rings and women were abused. That's why.

God knows what's best for us and also instructs us to marry and have proper relationships with our spouses. Not be an animal that goes around with one night stands with thousands of women. Getting drunk, going to clubs. Yes this is the 'modern standard'. Islam teaches us to marry as soon as we are able. I've been married 7 years now and wouldn't change a thing. Wouldn't trade places for those people who still around me are doing one night stands. I am the one that's far more happy than those guys who think they get every chick every night while drunk.

There is a difference between rape and marriage of young people. Who tells you that its evil to marry someone young? Society. So ironically as you bash 'religion' you are endorsing what society and some men's desires set as laws. Including homosexuality.

I've known of some 16 year old who were married in Canada and they are still married and have children, finished their school, are working, happy, etc... Who sets these artificial numbers?

And in case you didn't know in some parts of the world even criticizing homosexuality can lead you to jail. A UK priest was jailed for speaking against the evils of homosexuality.

And you are right e-kul, the world is getting more chaotic, its also more openly abusing God. Most movies now portray or promote what is against God's teachings or even openly attacking God and religion. It's 'good' to be bad. But uncool to be good. It's easier to be bad than easier to be good. People who are a virgin and abstain before marriage are mocked. People who try to be religious are insulted or called backwards. Yes you are right the world is going in the wrong direction and the results are quite clear.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said a day will come where holding onto faith will be like holding onto burning coal or iron. Imagine holding that in your hand. That's exactly how we Muslims are treated as such today. Women are mocked or seen as 'oppressed' for covering, but women who are borderline pornographic are endorsed and 'free'.

Yeah, Muhammad marrying Aisha at 6 and then having sex with here at 9......we can slice and dice that however and add whatever apologetic justifications we can imagine, but doing so is just putting lipstick on a pig or polishing a turd.....in the end it's still a turd.   That's an example of a Muhummad mistake that we can all learn from....it's a solid example of what not to do.....ever............. ........................ ............ever.


















































































































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« Reply #152 on: April 23, 2013, 02:30:17 PM »

Yeah, Muhammad marrying Aisha at 6 and then having sex with here at 9......we can slice and dice that however and add whatever apologetic justifications we can imagine, but doing so is just putting lipstick on a pig or polishing a turd.....in the end it's still a turd.   That's an example of a Muhummad mistake that we can all learn from....it's a solid example of what not to do.....ever............. ........................ ............ever.


















































































































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« Reply #153 on: April 23, 2013, 02:35:48 PM »


There is a difference between rape and marriage of young people. Who tells you that its evil to marry someone young? Society. So ironically as you bash 'religion' you are endorsing what society and some men's desires set as laws. Including homosexuality.

I think what concerns me the most is your lack of self awareness, you openly despise homosexuality and even compared it to necrophilia and bestiality, and yet you make amazing leaps of logic to justify paedophilia.  You believe that society shouldn't judge those that want to marry children, yet should come down harshly on homosexuals.  Surely if one wants a deviant act like paedophilia socially endorsed, they should be the last people judging what is acceptable sexual behaviour.

I didn't bother reading the rest of your post, it was obvious were it was heading, and it just literally sickens me, so I stopped.
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« Reply #154 on: April 23, 2013, 02:50:50 PM »

Yeah, Muhammad marrying Aisha at 6 and then having sex with here at 9......we can slice and dice that however and add whatever apologetic justifications we can imagine, but doing so is just putting lipstick on a pig or polishing a turd.....in the end it's still a turd.   That's an example of a Muhummad mistake that we can all learn from....it's a solid example of what not to do.....ever............. ........................ ............ever.


















































































































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Aisha his 9 year old wife admitted that she saw in a dream that she was going to marry Mohamed, she knew they were meant to be together,

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Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen
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« Reply #155 on: April 23, 2013, 02:56:49 PM »

Yeah, Muhammad marrying Aisha at 6 and then having sex with here at 9......we can slice and dice that however and add whatever apologetic justifications we can imagine, but doing so is just putting lipstick on a pig or polishing a turd.....in the end it's still a turd.   That's an example of a Muhummad mistake that we can all learn from....it's a solid example of what not to do.....ever............. ........................ ............ever.

So basically all the prophets and messengers of God who married young, who married multiple wives, heck even people before the late 1800s who used to marry young. They are all making mistakes because some British law says anything under 18 years of age is disallowed?

Trust me when I tell you, I went to school here in the west, grade 6 people screw, take drugs. Instead of wanting to marry they are encouraged to play around. That's the difference.

How are they more or less mature and who decides what mature is? There are 30+ year old who I don't deem mature. Most people were finding it weird that I was just 21 when I married. Why? Or that my wife is older than me by a bit. Why is any of these things 'weird'? Because of cultural norms of the west. Men are expected to marry someone younger than them? Says who? People are not meant to marry young until they are 'settled' in their 30s. Says who? People shouldn't have sex or 'drink' until they are 18? Says who? I had alcohol as a kid sip here n there. Most italian families do for instance. But so says who? If it's right or wrong? Or a specific age?

So in other words you are relying on what some British law described as allowed or disallowed. End of story. Islam says marry once you're mature and capable. West says no don't have sex or marry until you are at least 18, and odn't really marry just have fun.

Yup

What about Mary and delivering Jesus at like 13? Most argue between 11-14 right?

What about bar mitzvah? 12 years of age is maturity age right? Get married, get a job.

You see so... you are not following what God decreed, and are dissing it. While it makes sense. Instead you are following what some so called modern british law decreed. And why did they decree that? Because they had a child prostitiution problem in Britain.
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« Reply #156 on: April 23, 2013, 03:03:57 PM »

Girl from Peru 9 years old married to a 27 year old guy:



There's a big difference between raping someone and being married to someone.

Priests who rape, are raping boys and girls. They are not even allowed to marry. Rape is against the consent of the other person. Marriage is consent of both parties. There is no valid forced marriage. Islam punishes rape and would punish forced marriage and one of the right's of a woman in Islam is to chose whom she wants to marry and on one can have the final say except her.

I know that the argument always swirls around 'forced marriages' but that has to do with certain cultures not Islam. Likewise even amongst non-muslims some of these early marriages/pregnancies happen by a guy and girl wanting to be one another and some yes through rape. There is a distinction between the two. Rape is rape. Period.
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« Reply #157 on: April 23, 2013, 03:09:16 PM »

This girl was 11 years old if i recall does she look unhappy to you?

http://www.forwardon.com/view.php?e=Id12616bdb814b3e40

Instead you'll find far more abused girls in high schools who get thrown around like used material who are unhappy.

God created us to be with the opposite gender. Personally I wanted to marry someone slightly older than myself as I found most girls in Canada less than mentally mature. That does not mean all girls are immature who are young. It depends on the society.

Girls in other countries can take care of themselves, their families, even children. While girls here in the west can have a hard time taking care of themselves up to a point. It's just a contrast in cultures.
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« Reply #158 on: April 23, 2013, 03:10:23 PM »

Girl from Peru 9 years old married to a 27 year old guy:



There's a big difference between raping someone and being married to someone.

Priests who rape, are raping boys and girls. They are not even allowed to marry. Rape is against the consent of the other person. Marriage is consent of both parties. There is no valid forced marriage. Islam punishes rape and would punish forced marriage and one of the right's of a woman in Islam is to chose whom she wants to marry and on one can have the final say except her.
You truly are a sick pervert, children aren't capable of giving informed consent, they are dependent on the adults in their life for sustenance and nurturing, not to be used as the sex toys for deviants.  The fact you even think a 9 year old is capable of consenting highlights your primitive mindset and obvious lack of education.  And stop pretending women in ISLAM have choice, it is called duress, the fear of what will happen if one makes a choice that those who hold power over them don't like.
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« Reply #159 on: April 23, 2013, 03:11:02 PM »

lol yeah okay. Children are stupid because some western scientists decided it right? Clearly above all of these are very unhappy. They are happy even if you hate to see them happy. You are demented in the head because all you see is evil and negative. I feel sorry for whatever you went through in your abused youth. I am guessing you were raped by your father and did not consent to it. That's too bad for you. Don't take it out on the rest of the world.

Forced marriage has no place in Islam, you nimwit, even if some uneducated village idiot muslims somewhere in the world might engage in it. So do african Christians, so do Indian hindus. Their cultures are backwards.
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« Reply #160 on: April 23, 2013, 03:18:44 PM »

lol yeah okay. Children are stupid because some western scientists decided it right? Clearly above all of these are very unhappy. They are happy even if you hate to see them happy. You are demented in the head because all you see is evil and negative. I feel sorry for whatever you went through in your abused youth. I am guessing you were raped by your father and did not consent to it. That's too bad for you. Don't take it out on the rest of the world.

Forced marriage has no place in Islam, you nimwit, even if some uneducated village idiot muslims somewhere in the world might engage in it. So do african Christians, so do Indian hindus. Their cultures are backwards.
Where I come from, if you expressed the opinions you are expressing here you would be beaten to death.  I am appalled by how openly you endorse immoral predatory behaviour.  The reason we have age of consent laws is because of basic morality, something that ISLAM lacks.  In the West we have studied the life cycle, and have understood the logic behind allowing both physical and emotional maturity before one participates in sexual activity and adult life.  And the West doesn't promotes promiscuity over marriage, you are being absurd again, we just understand the nature of life, we don't deny it, and young people gather experience by choosing to have several partners before settling down.   Muslims have a far greater problem with promiscuity than the West does. mainly due to their denial and repression of instinctual sexual urges.   Pornography is illegal in Pakistan and yet they lead the world in Internet searches for porn. (including child porn)

You have already exposed your violent nature (making physical threats against me) and now you openly support paedophilia.  How you are not banned from this forum is beyond me.  You regularly make personal attacks and attempted insults.  You clearly lack even the most basic moral compass, and it frightens me to know there are people like you walking the streets.  You obviously have poor comprehension skills and an inability to determine right from wrong,  You are clearly borderline Insane.
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« Reply #161 on: April 23, 2013, 03:22:10 PM »

lol beaten to death. Oh I thought you were against violence.

I don't want to get angry again because I know you're a low life slime ball who laughs at other's suffering when it suits him. And falsely accuses others including 2 billion people. But hey. Whatever gives you life in your miserable lonely life. I feel sorry for you.

"MORAL" LOL. "Predatory" WOW... I swear to God I wish I could get you mental help. There really is something wrong with you.

There is just no arguing with an absolute moron such as yourself.

Oh I forgot "RIGHT" in your view is when women are being raped by budhists and children killed by budhists for merely being Muslim. "COURAGEOUS budhists"

Go end yourself and your depressed lonely life bud. I don't feel sorry for you actually. If you don't change your state of heart, it's your own self who will repeat it when you face God.

According to British news recently Pornography might be 'good for you'

AH MORAL SOCIETY! After all Australians were the low lifes of British society, prisoner colony. You a fan of Ned Kelly bud?
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« Reply #162 on: April 23, 2013, 03:25:15 PM »

lol beaten to death. Oh I thought you were against violence.

I don't want to get angry again because I know you're a low life slime ball who laughs at other's suffering when it suits him. And falsely accuses others including 2 billion people. But hey. Whatever gives you life in your miserable lonely life. I feel sorry for you.

"MORAL" LOL. "Predatory" WOW... I swear to God I wish I could get you mental help. There really is something wrong with you.
I have never said I am against violence, as a matter of fact, I endorse it as a method to deal with bullies, or those who deliberately choose to harm others and refuse to see reason. (like paedophiles).  To think that there is something wrong with those who oppose paedophilia and child abuse shows your true nature.  I do not know what force twisted you into such a sick paedophile, and the worst part, is not only are you not ashamed of your paedophile beliefs, you seem proud of it.  What a disgusting creature.
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« Reply #163 on: April 23, 2013, 03:32:06 PM »

lol oh e-fool. You're winning the war and getting closer to mental institution status every day. But I understand you much better now. Your father raping you and abusing you left issues that have led you to hating religion, God and yourself. I have no respect for you for so many reasons. But I did try to talk to you in a civil manner, but it's absolutely pointless. You're subhuman and a two faced walking contradiction filled with only hate and anger, selectively saying what he wants.

Speaking of which I got some work to do, you're a waste of a human being and time Smiley
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« Reply #164 on: April 23, 2013, 03:45:44 PM »

I have never said I am against violence, as a matter of fact, I endorse it as a method to deal with bullies, or those who deliberately choose to harm others and refuse to see reason. (like paedophiles).  To think that there is something wrong with those who oppose paedophilia and child abuse shows your true nature.  I do not know what force twisted you into such a sick paedophile, and the worst part, is not only are you not ashamed of your paedophile beliefs, you seem proud of it.  What a disgusting creature.

I tell you how stupid you are, you endorse the violence by buddhists cause you claim they have been pushed by the edge by muslims but when Mohamed was pushed to the edge by jews/christians and pagans then you claim that other people make muslims violent.

Why dont you get off your computer and go out in society instead of scumming off australian government benefits.
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« Reply #165 on: April 23, 2013, 03:46:20 PM »

lol oh e-fool. You're winning the war and getting closer to mental institution status every day. But I understand you much better now. Your father raping you and abusing you left issues that have led you to hating religion, God and yourself. I have no respect for you for so many reasons. But I did try to talk to you in a civil manner, but it's absolutely pointless. You're subhuman and a two faced walking contradiction filled with only hate and anger, selectively saying what he wants.

Speaking of which I got some work to do, you're a waste of a human being and time Smiley
I am grateful that you don't respect me,  I would definitely feel as if I was doing something wrong if you did.  The very last thing I want is the respect of someone who endorses paedophilia.  And you truly are a sensitive soul, the moment someone criticises your belief structure you crumble, and resort to name calling and attempts to humiliate.   I think you will find the majority of the Western world will find your views on pedophilia highly disturbing.  It is considered one of the more serious mental illness.  And just to give you an idea of how Muslim  sexual repression manifests in the real world.  Check this out.

Google, the world’s most popular Internet search engine, has found in a survey that mostly Muslim states seek access to sex-related websites and Pakistan tops the list. Google found that of the top 10 countries - searching for sex-related sites - six were Muslim, with Pakistan on the top. The other Muslim countries are Egypt at number 2, Iran at 4, Morocco at 5, Saudi Arabia at 7 and Turkey at 8.



Here are the Muslim countries and how they placed in the top five world ranking of various bestiality-related internet search terms:

Pig Sex: Pakistan (No. 1) Egypt (No. 2) Saudi Arabia (No. 3)
Donkey Sex: Pakistan (No. 1) Iran (No. 3) Saudi Arabia (No. 4)
Dog Sex: Pakistan (No. 1) Saudi Arabia (No. 3)
Cat Sex: Pakistan (No. 1) Iran (No. 2) Egypt (No. 3) Saudi Arabia (No. 4)
Horse Sex: Pakistan (No. 1) Turkey (No. 3)
Cow Sex: Pakistan (No. 1) Iran (No. 2) Saudi Arabia (No. 4)
Goat Sex: Pakistan (No. 1)
Animal Sex: Pakistan (No. 1) Morocco (No. 2) Iran (No. 4) Egypt (No. 5)
Snake Sex: Pakistan (No. 1) Malaysia (No. 3) Indonesia (No. 4) Egypt (No. 5)
Monkey Sex: Pakistan (No. 1) Indonesia (No. 3) Malaysia (No. 4)
Bear Sex: Pakistan (No. 1) Saudi Arabia (No. 2)
Elephant Sex: Pakistan (No. 1) Egypt (No. 3) United Arab Emirates (No. 4) Malaysia (No. 5)
Fox Sex: Saudi Arabia (No. 1) Turkey (No. 4)

For “children sex,” Pakistan is at #1, Egypt #2 and Iran #3.

The most common languages used to conduct the search in are Arabic and Turkish.

For “sexy children,” these results are probably the most disturbing. Pakistan, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, followed by Turkey at #9.
For “sexy child,” Pakistan is #1, followed by Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Turkey. Common languages are Persian, Arabic, and Turkish.
For “homo sex,” Indonesia is #1, Morocco is at 6.
For “rape,” Pakistan is at 1. Malaysia is at 3.
For “bird sex,” Egypt is at 1. (Come ON!)
For “ass sex,” Saudi Arabia comes first, followed directly by Egypt and Morocco. Most common language is Arabic.
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« Reply #166 on: April 23, 2013, 03:48:13 PM »

lol oh e-fool. You try so hard.

Yet Islam forbids beastiality and homosexuality and pornography. So really, why are you hating Islam for something Islam forbids?

Islam also forbids and punishes rape, forbids forced marriage.

Islam only allows marriage for those able and mature. So... you are an empty case running out of your hate bullets.
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« Reply #167 on: April 23, 2013, 03:55:10 PM »

lol oh e-fool. You try so hard.

Yet Islam forbids beastiality and homosexuality and pornography. So really, why are you hating Islam for something Islam forbids?

Islam also forbids and punishes rape, forbids forced marriage.

Islam only allows marriage for those able and mature. So... you are an empty case running out of your hate bullets.
If it is forbidden, why is it that Muslims are the Number One group of people seeking it out.  You don't think by forcing people to repress their human instincts that it may come out sideways, like being the biggest deviants on the planet, as the above statistics highlight.
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« Reply #168 on: April 23, 2013, 04:09:29 PM »

So when your father raped you and sexually abused you was he being a good christian or good atheist? Just asking.
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« Reply #169 on: April 23, 2013, 04:13:34 PM »

So when your father raped you and sexually abused you was he being a good christian or good atheist? Just asking.
I take it this is your way of conceding defeat.  Rather than feel as if you have lost, you should appreciate the wisdom I offer you for free.  No strings attached, no need to feel grateful towards me, I enjoy opening minds.  Yours has been particularly hard to open, as it has been so forcefully closed by ISLAMIC teachings, but you are getting there.  Hang in there buddy.
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« Reply #170 on: April 23, 2013, 04:15:19 PM »

No I am just asking, was he a good christian or good atheist when he raped you? What's wrong cat caught your tongue? Clearly he's been indoctrinated with atheist religious teachings and christian religious teachings.
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« Reply #171 on: April 23, 2013, 04:25:01 PM »

No I am just asking, was he a good christian or good atheist when he raped you? What's wrong cat caught your tongue? Clearly he's been indoctrinated with atheist religious teachings and christian religious teachings.
I have never been raped and nor is my father a rapist.  As I said, you feel a need to make up false accusations as a way of dealing with your hurt feelings, I get it.  But if you can overcome those hurt feelings, which I trust that you can, you will grow as a human being.  When you see a beautiful rose, you must realise that it has been fertilised with shit.  While you see me as SHIT, you fail to realise I am your fertiliser.

As for my Father, he is a brilliant man, a worldly man with a deep intellect, I can honestly say, In 40 years I have met few men who can rival his intellect or his deep understanding of the current geopolitical situation and World history.  He has remained in supreme health for his entire long life and still continues to keep his mind and body active.  I look forward to the same.  a_ahmed, I know you think as a Muslim you are superior, but this is ironically, an indication of your inferiority, you could never offer an intellect such as mine anything of value.
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« Reply #172 on: April 23, 2013, 04:27:36 PM »

Oh i see you were actually loved by your father and not sexually abused as we've all come to know.

That's fantastic.

You know you should be a fictional novel writer. You can come up with alot of bs and coverup alot of bs on the go. Good job. Lying is second nature to you. As has already been exposed.

Such eloquence I am so amazed! NOT..
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« Reply #173 on: April 23, 2013, 04:51:21 PM »

Oh i see you were actually loved by your father and not sexually abused as we've all come to know.

That's fantastic.

You know you should be a fictional novel writer. You can come up with alot of bs and coverup alot of bs on the go. Good job. Lying is second nature to you. As has already been exposed.

Such eloquence I am so amazed! NOT..
a-ahmed, you are a terrible representative for your religion.  I do not shy away from the truth, and if I was ever raped, I would simply state that. If as a child someone had taken advantage of me in such a terrible way, I could see no reason to not share the experience and talk honestly and openly about it.  If anything, your support of paedophilia and your attempts to mock sexual abuse victims is the very reason some people don't like to talk about their experiences.  People who behave in such a way are just as guilty as the perpetrators.  I on the other hand simply dismiss those people as the sick perverted human beings they are.  

I have at times briefly spoken about my childhood and mentioned some dysfunction and physical abuse I experienced, but I NEVER experienced sexual abuse.  Once again, I see no shame in talking about physical abuse I experienced as a child, it is something I have come to terms with.  Obviously it isn't something I would go into detail with a known Child Abuser such as yourself.  And, If anything you should be deeply ashamed of the way you attempt to ridicule victims of child abuse, but I can't expect much from someone who proudly boats how they think child exploitation and abuse is what God wants them to do.  People like you who continue to make false allegations as if they are true, and then accuse others of being deceitful really is about as low as a human being can sink too.

There is nothing I can do to stop your false accusations  in what will only be a failed attempt at ridiculing and demeaning me.  I have an impenetrable sense of self that you could only dream of.  I have refuted your allegations over and over again, and you will never be able to find such an admission on my behalf.   I find it quite typical that you think the victims of sexual abuse should feel shame and guilt, this seems to be a typical Muslim belief, that if someone is raped, they are to blame and should feel ashamed.  Let's just add that to the long list of shameful and perverse Muslim beliefs, shall we.
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« Reply #174 on: April 23, 2013, 05:41:58 PM »

Aisha his 9 year old wife admitted that she saw in a dream that she was going to marry Mohamed, she knew they were meant to be together,

Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen
So basically all the prophets and messengers of God who married young, who married multiple wives, heck even people before the late 1800s who used to marry young. They are all making mistakes because some British law says anything under 18 years of age is disallowed?

Trust me when I tell you, I went to school here in the west, grade 6 people screw, take drugs. Instead of wanting to marry they are encouraged to play around. That's the difference.

How are they more or less mature and who decides what mature is? There are 30+ year old who I don't deem mature. Most people were finding it weird that I was just 21 when I married. Why? Or that my wife is older than me by a bit. Why is any of these things 'weird'? Because of cultural norms of the west. Men are expected to marry someone younger than them? Says who? People are not meant to marry young until they are 'settled' in their 30s. Says who? People shouldn't have sex or 'drink' until they are 18? Says who? I had alcohol as a kid sip here n there. Most italian families do for instance. But so says who? If it's right or wrong? Or a specific age?

So in other words you are relying on what some British law described as allowed or disallowed. End of story. Islam says marry once you're mature and capable. West says no don't have sex or marry until you are at least 18, and odn't really marry just have fun.

Yup

What about Mary and delivering Jesus at like 13? Most argue between 11-14 right?

What about bar mitzvah? 12 years of age is maturity age right? Get married, get a job.

You see so... you are not following what God decreed, and are dissing it. While it makes sense. Instead you are following what some so called modern british law decreed. And why did they decree that? Because they had a child prostitiution problem in Britain.
Girl from Peru 9 years old married to a 27 year old guy:



There's a big difference between raping someone and being married to someone.

Priests who rape, are raping boys and girls. They are not even allowed to marry. Rape is against the consent of the other person. Marriage is consent of both parties. There is no valid forced marriage. Islam punishes rape and would punish forced marriage and one of the right's of a woman in Islam is to chose whom she wants to marry and on one can have the final say except her.

I know that the argument always swirls around 'forced marriages' but that has to do with certain cultures not Islam. Likewise even amongst non-muslims some of these early marriages/pregnancies happen by a guy and girl wanting to be one another and some yes through rape. There is a distinction between the two. Rape is rape. Period.
Here's what I want y'all to do.  Whenever you feel the compulsion to defend Muhammad marrying a 6 yr old child and then having sex with her at 9 I want you to grab a squirt bottle full of water, spray yourselves in the face, then walk to a mirror and shout, "NO! NO!"  If the water becomes ineffective switch to lemon juice or vinegar.  I don't care about visions or dreams or whatever......no penises in small children.......none!

Be it a random weirdo, online crazy, backwoods trailer trash, catholic priest, a muhammad, etc......there is no marrying of preschool children and there are certainly no naked penises allowed in or about 9 year old child......ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.....

We all have wins and losses in life and let's chalk this incident up to a "L" for Muhammad.   Or this is a Muhammad "my bad" moment.  It requires no debate, no justification, no Muslim apologetics.....nothing.  No penises in small children.....none....eve r, ever, ever, ever.

Again, if you ever forget the "no penises in small children" rule grab just the squirt bottle and go to town on yourselves.  If you begin typing a future defense just stop then delete your response squirt yourselves in the face repeatedly and move on to a new topic.

There ARE no penises in small children.
































































































































NO PENISES IN SMALL CHILDREN.
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