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Corporations are People My Friend
« on: January 07, 2013, 03:39:18 PM »
California man says he can drive in carpool lane with corporation papers

By Isolde Raftery, NBC News
January 7, 2013, 3:25 pm
NBCNews.com


When Jonathan Frieman of San Rafael, Calif., was pulled over for driving alone in the carpool lane, he argued to the officer that, actually, he did have a passenger.

He waved his corporation papers at the officer, he told NBCBayArea.com, saying that corporations are people under California law.

Frieman doesn't actually support this notion. For more than 10 years, Frieman says he had been trying to get pulled over to get ticketed and to take his argument to court -- to challenge a judge to determine that corporations and people are not the same. Mission accomplished in October, when he was slapped with a fine -- a minimum of $481.

Frieman has been frustrated with corporate personhood since before it became a hot button issue in 2010, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that corporate and union spending may not be restricted by the government under the First Amendment.

At the heart of the high court ruling was the argument that corporations -- because they are composed of individuals – deserve protection under the First Amendment, which guarantees free speech.

Frieman, who faces a traffic court on Monday, plans to tell the judge that this isn’t about carpool lanes; it’s about corporate power.

"I'm just arresting their power and using it for my service to drive in the carpool lane," he told NBC Bay Area's Jean Elle.

University of San Francisco law professor Robert Talbot says Frieman’s argument may not hold up because it steers too far from the intent of carpool lane laws.

"A court might say, ‘Well, it says person, and a corporation is a person, so that'll work for the carpool lane,’” Talbot told NBCBayArea.com. “It’s possible, but I doubt it.”

In an opinion piece posted to the San Rafael Patch site on May 14, 2011, Frieman broke down his argument.

A carpool lane is two or more persons per vehicle, he said. The definition of person in California’s Vehicle Code is “natural person or corporation.

“Just imagine what THAT courtroom scene’ll be like,” he wrote.

He imagined what he might say to the judge: “Your honor, according to the vehicle code definition and legal sources, I did have a ‘person’ in my car. But Officer so-and-so believes I did NOT have another person in my car. If you rule in his favor, you are saying that corporations are not persons. I hope you do rule in his favor. I hope you do overturn 125 years of settled law.”

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Re: Corporations are People My Friend
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 03:56:53 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Beats using a crash test dummy. 

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Re: Corporations are People My Friend
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2013, 04:11:05 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Beats using a crash test dummy. 


or his blow up doll

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Re: Corporations are People My Friend
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 04:13:15 PM »
he could bring mitt along.  it's not like he's being sworn in anytime soon.

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Re: Corporations are People My Friend
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 04:33:46 PM »
If I was the cop, I'd give him another ticket for his corporation not wearing a seatbelt.



But, he's got a point.

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Re: Corporations are People My Friend
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2013, 04:34:36 PM »
If I was the cop, I'd give him another ticket for his corporation not wearing a seatbelt.



But, he's got a point.



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Re: Corporations are People My Friend
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2013, 05:04:28 PM »
my opinion - the judge is not going to be sympathetic to his argument.

a corporation is not made up in its entirety simply in a few pieces of paper.

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Re: Corporations are People My Friend
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2013, 05:12:20 PM »
my opinion - the judge is not going to be sympathetic to his argument.

a corporation is not made up in its entirety simply in a few pieces of paper.


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Re: Corporations are People My Friend
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2013, 05:18:13 PM »
my opinion - the judge is not going to be sympathetic to his argument.

a corporation is not made up in its entirety simply in a few pieces of paper.

from the article

A carpool lane is two or more persons per vehicle, he said. The definition of person in California’s Vehicle Code is “natural person or corporation.”