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Re: Gun Nut Myths
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2013, 09:03:01 PM »
Thank you.
I was beginning to think I was the only sane person here.  

Why make it easy for mean people to kill you?  Mental illness is not a choice!  Why punish those who are already suffering with mental illness by giving them an easy outlet to harm others?  

If homicide rates have decreased as gun numbers have increased, we can all agree that acts if homicide could be entirely eradicated if guns were also eradicated.
No- dont point to the elephant in the room, it will wake up the gun toting baboons  ;D
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Re: Gun Nut Myths
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2013, 09:19:10 PM »
Hitler had no reason to fear guns... He was extremely popular and actually lowered the legal age of gun ownership.

Actually, Germans didn't have gun control until the US and Soviets occupied the German land.

I agree that the whole "Nazi" thing is bullshit when it comes to gun control, but in general, gun control is bullshit.

The government should fear it's people and it can only do that if the people have the ability to fight for their freedoms.

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Re: Gun Nut Myths
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2013, 09:19:57 PM »
No- dont point to the elephant in the room, it will wake up the gun toting baboons  ;D

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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2013, 07:36:14 AM »

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Re: Gun Nut Myths
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2013, 11:44:08 AM »
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Re: Gun Nut Myths
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2013, 01:26:50 PM »
No..that can't be true because homicide rates have DECREASED.  How can homicide rates go down if gun numbers go up.  Think about it...it's unpossible.

"Unpossible"?

Ask the Israelis about the ratio of gun ownership to homicides by firearms. 


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Re: Gun Nut Myths
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2013, 01:29:00 PM »
1)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany

The 1938 German Weapons Act
The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law:
Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. Writes Prof. Bernard Harcourt of the University of Chicago, "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition."[4]
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, governt workers, and NSDAP party members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[5]
The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18.[5]
The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year.[5]
Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[6]
Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.
On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.[7]
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2)  http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke.

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Jan 8, 2013

Cable news is now featuring freaks that are comparing the idea of gun control to what happened under the Third Reich...  which from their point of view, was basically the tragic story of a crazed dictator denying people guns. Hitler’s priority wasn’t to ban the selling of high-capacity ammunition clips. He was too busy suppressing minorities and crushing the unions—the same things that today’s conservatives are obsessed with.

Despite the fantasies, of gun nuts, Adolf Hitler never enacted a ban on guns. Guns weren’t the first thing Adolf Hitler went after. In fact, he never got around to going after guns—and Adolf Hitler found the time to go after a LOT of things. Hitler knew that guns don’t free people from tyranny—people free people from tyranny. So he went after the people who would oppose him—like union members.

   
A new ad from an ammo company called USAAmmo compares President Obama to tyrants like Hitler and Stalin. I’m shocked. Mostly, I’m shocked that an ammo company feels the need to advertise. Isn’t that stuff flying off of the shelves? The video with the ad claims that the President and Attorney General Eric Holder “are secretly conspiring American Citizens of the right to bear arms.” This ad is based on inciting fear and paranoia among people who are completely misinformed. Give the ammo company this much—they know their customers. A spokesman for USAAmmo said Obama is “anti-gun and he’s obviously a socialist cramming healthcare down America’s throats.” Obama is cramming healthcare down America’s throats! Well a lot of good all those guns are doing you guys—you can’t even prevent yourselves from being given affordable h ealthcare!

Meanwhile, Mitch McConnell refuses to say if he would use the debt ceiling as a weapon... which is just another way of using the debt ceiling as a weapon. Republicans will always use any weapon they have. This is the party of 2nd Amendment solutions. They love weapons. The reason is obvious—if you don’t have the numbers, you better have the guns. It’s not easy running the country with a tiny base of elderly white men in the rural south. You have to be armed with things like assault rifles and debt ceilings. 


 


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Re: Gun Nut Myths
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2013, 01:51:37 PM »
Hitler had no reason to fear guns... He was extremely popular and actually lowered the legal age of gun ownership.

Actually, Germans didn't have gun control until the US and Soviets occupied the German land.

I agree that the whole "Nazi" thing is bullshit when it comes to gun control, but in general, gun control is bullshit.

The government should fear it's people and it can only do that if the people have the ability to fight for their freedoms.


Jews could not legally own or buy guns.  How did that turn out?
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Re: Gun Nut Myths
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2013, 02:04:19 PM »
Did everyone fail to notice Doison's sarcasm?

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Re: Gun Nut Myths
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2013, 08:32:14 PM »
Did everyone fail to notice Doison's sarcasm?

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"me fail English? thats unpossible"
You fucked it up. I was just letting it go on. Doison is a master at trolling.

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Re: Gun Nut Myths
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2013, 09:06:37 PM »
Jews could not legally own or buy guns.  How did that turn out?

Yeah, but it's not "exactly" the same... These posts are acting like the Nazi's said no one could own guns.
I do see your point and you're right, but it's not exactly the same.

I am not for gun control of any sort anyway.

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« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2013, 09:55:11 PM »
No real complaints except for the "database". That is horseshit.

That is what now happens in Australia.  Australian gun owners are kept in a database.  A friend who owns guns said it is the same database where they keep criminal identity records.

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Re: Gun Nut Myths
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2013, 10:51:03 PM »
:D

Jan 8, 2013

Cable news is now featuring freaks that are comparing the idea of gun control to what happened under the Third Reich...  which from their point of view, was basically the tragic story of a crazed dictator denying people guns. Hitler’s priority wasn’t to ban the selling of high-capacity ammunition clips. He was too busy suppressing minorities and crushing the unions—the same things that today’s conservatives are obsessed with.

Despite the fantasies, of gun nuts, Adolf Hitler never enacted a ban on guns. Guns weren’t the first thing Adolf Hitler went after. In fact, he never got around to going after guns—and Adolf Hitler found the time to go after a LOT of things. Hitler knew that guns don’t free people from tyranny—people free people from tyranny. So he went after the people who would oppose him—like union members.

  
A new ad from an ammo company called USAAmmo compares President Obama to tyrants like Hitler and Stalin. I’m shocked. Mostly, I’m shocked that an ammo company feels the need to advertise. Isn’t that stuff flying off of the shelves? The video with the ad claims that the President and Attorney General Eric Holder “are secretly conspiring American Citizens of the right to bear arms.” This ad is based on inciting fear and paranoia among people who are completely misinformed. Give the ammo company this much—they know their customers. A spokesman for USAAmmo said Obama is “anti-gun and he’s obviously a socialist cramming healthcare down America’s throats.” Obama is cramming healthcare down America’s throats! Well a lot of good all those guns are doing you guys—you can’t even prevent yourselves from being given affordable h ealthcare!

Meanwhile, Mitch McConnell refuses to say if he would use the debt ceiling as a weapon... which is just another way of using the debt ceiling as a weapon. Republicans will always use any weapon they have. This is the party of 2nd Amendment solutions. They love weapons. The reason is obvious—if you don’t have the numbers, you better have the guns. It’s not easy running the country with a tiny base of elderly white men in the rural south. You have to be armed with things like assault rifles and debt ceilings.  


Please name all the gun ban countries after the WW2? We have to start like this: CCCP, DDR, Mao's China, North Korea, East Timor etc. Can't you see what is common to these countries? Are they the crown jewels of the freedom and democracy around the world?

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Re: Gun Nut Myths
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2013, 04:46:50 AM »
When the Roman Empire became a DICTATORSHIP, when the Republic was replaced by a senate of puppets under an illusion of democracy they BANNED carrying of personal weapons?

Why?

Because an armed population can challenge the rule of the state.

This later backfired heavily when they were getting mauled and raided by wandering barbarian groups.

Why?

The public had no weapons to defend themselves and these small bands of looters, arsonists and rapists could have free reign on them till someone decided to send an army. The citizens were powerless to defend themselves and a few thousand well-armed opportunists could cause massive damage.

And the army usually came in after all the shit had happened.

However, when they were a FREE Republic it was tasked with every tax-paying healthy male citizen to carry weapons as their civic duty to DEFEND their country and people and to keep the leadership in check so that they would no longer be oppressed by KINGS.

Sound familiar....?