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« on: January 11, 2013, 05:05:29 AM »

In thinking about the real challenge in American politics today it's clear that it involves overcoming polarization to deal with social, economic and environmental issues...

Can we try an experiment?

If you had to present reforms to current gun regulations in the UA (federal only) what would you present?

A total repeal of any gun control or a total ban are options here...

But can anyone present an options that everyone will agree on?



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2013, 05:11:30 AM »

i got an option

the coommy libs get the gun when they prie it from my cold dead hand
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2013, 06:05:04 AM »

I'm not interested in everyone agreeing on it.  I'm interested in the rights of law abiding citizens.  I'm interested in the constitution.

Violent crime has been on the decline for many years even after the last so-called "assault weapons" ban ended.  Pretending that more laws would have prevented these recent school shootings is a farce and I will not be a part of it.  The killers were either evil or nuts, maybe both.  Nothing you can do about that. 
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2013, 06:16:43 AM »

In thinking about the real challenge in American politics today it's clear that it involves overcoming polarization to deal with social, economic and environmental issues...

Can we try an experiment?

If you had to present reforms to current gun regulations in the UA (federal only) what would you present?

A total repeal of any gun control or a total ban are options here...

But can anyone present an options that everyone will agree on?



Resources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf

We? You're not American.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2013, 06:24:34 AM »

It’s Not Just Your Guns; It’s America We’re Losing
 Absolute Rights ^ | January 9, 2013 | Tim Young

Posted on Friday, January 11, 2013 7:42:09 AM by IbJensen

This might come as a surprise to a lot of you, but I’m not a gun person… never have been, never will be. And you can stop reading right there and be angry, but you know better… so read on. The one thing that I have always been and always will be, is a freedom person.

I believe in all of the freedoms and liberties given to us by the Bill of Rights… something that very few Americans currently understand.

One group of people who completely understand our rights are the President of the United States, Barack Obama, and the elected officials of the Democratic Party. That understanding should scare you… because they fully know the freedoms we were given when the Bill of Rights and Constitution were written, and have actively worked to take them away.

Today, Vice President Joe Biden announced that the President would unilaterally act using an executive order, SOMETHING HE PROMISED NEVER TO DO WHEN HE RAN FOR OFFICE FOUR YEARS AGO, to limit your Second Amendment rights.

He is attempting to act on the tragedies of the past year to limit the rights of the republic to be free and protect itself… The Second Amendment, which, for those of you have forgotten, says the following:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

This Amendment was written because our founding fathers wanted us to have the same footing as the government… to have the same weapons and defensive capabilities so that our own leaders wouldn’t take advantage of our people. It’s a “when all else fails,” clause.

America has internally become weak because of a long time of peace. Somewhere in between the Civil War and now, we have forgotten what it was like to fight for our rights. We have taken for granted the fact that we have been able to work together to accomplish great things in not only America’s history, but the world’s. When you get comfortable and settle in to your every day life, you let your defenses down… that’s when things go horribly wrong.

What’s happening now is a result of us being fat and happy. We haven’t been threatened on our home turf in over a century… but that doesn’t mean that we couldn’t be again.

What the President is doing is taking away that final “when all else fails,” ability to protect our rights. The people of this nation have spoken, and stupidly, they have chosen to take hand outs and continue to be fat, happy, and lazy…

We brushed over the fact that only months ago, we were fed lies on Benghazi, not to cover up what happened there, but in an attempt to begin to limit our First Amendment freedom of speech. Remember the outcries of the Democrats when they were blaming a video for the attacks… we were told that we needed to start to scale back what we could talk about to protect ourselves. That didn’t work…

So when they failed we were hit with another tragedy in Connecticut, and they have moved on to trying to take your guns… If that doesn’t work, there are a pile of other rights that they can try to take, and I’m sure they will…

They will continue to do so until we finally say “ENOUGH!” But let’s face it, America said “FORWARD!” in the last election…

This isn’t the America that the Founding Fathers intended to have; this isn’t the America that I was brought up to believe in; this is a new America, with less freedom than we have ever had. An America where people can live without working and an America where the stupid prevail.

It’s time to act folks. It was time to act 4 years ago, and it was time to act in November, but that didn’t work either.

Call your representatives in Congress, call Attorney Generals in your home States, and call your friends and neighbors to do the same.

You’re about to finally and definitively lose your freedoms… and you’re about to finally and definitively lose your America.

The time is now to be smarter than they think you are.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2013, 07:06:06 AM »

We? You're not American.

true enough... note that i did not offer an opinion in this topic...

i'm interested in how people think that Americans (note: not using the derisive version) can come together to tackle an issue... or not
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2013, 09:05:27 AM »

Its kind of silly to think that there is an option that everyone can agree on when you have people who advocate scoreless soccer games vs. people that support unlimited gun owership
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2013, 09:25:28 AM »

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLOTHING_STORE_ROBBERY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-11-09-37-23


This is why there is no deal w liberals/progressives/socialists and tyrants w gun control. 
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