Is Peyton Manning really that great, or...

[G_Thang]

the second coming of Marino, who didn't have the fortune of a Tony Dungy defense.

 

Subtract Dungy, and Manning is up their with Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts and Dan Marino.

Don't give me John Gruden.  That fucker inherited Dungy's Tampa superbowl team.  

[Krankenstein]

the second coming of Marino, who didn't have the fortune of a Tony Dungy defense.

 

Subtract Dungy, and Manning is up their with Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts and Dan Marino.

Don't give me John Gruden.  That fucker inherited Dungy's Tampa superbowl team.  

What does John Gruden have to do with Peyton Manning?

[WOOO]

What does John Gruden have to do with Peyton Manning?

both are in the NFL

[snx]

Peyton is really that great. Just like Kelly and Marino, who were both shoe-ins for the hall of fame.

But he's not a winner like Brady. At the end of the day, the only thing that ever matters in any sport (football included) is winning your last game of the season. Brady did that more than Manning. So he's greater.

You get paid to win. Not pass for 400+TDs, even if it's a nice stat.

I wonder who's the more marketable draw for a team/league though. Is Peyton a better money maker for owners/league, or is Brady a better pay-day? Factor in merchandising, ticket sales, endorsement deals, concession stands, etc...

In pro sports, making the owner money (even if you don't win the last game) can't be ignored.

[wild willie]

DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION?


HELL YES...... HE IS THAT GOOD......AND SO WAS MARINO AND MACHINE GUN KELLY.

[Twaddle]

He really is that good.  He's basically the play caller, he knows how to read the defense, and he knows when to get rid of the ball.  He's a very smart quarterback.  How many times do you see him get sacked?  Now, look at the young QB's that like to hold the ball and try to make a play on every snap.   

[Tre]

They kiss his ass every year and every year, he loses in the playoffs. 

[MORTALCOIL]

Unless he wins another ring, he'll be considered as a choker though he's never had a Bellichick (Dungy wasn't that good) behind him. Sure, he threw that interception but the Broncos top 5 defense everybody was talking about didn't do shit. He scored 35 points against the Ravens, that should have been enough had the defense done their part.

[Nails]

the second coming of Marino, who didn't have the fortune of a Tony Dungy defense.

 

Subtract Dungy, and Manning is up their with Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts and Dan Marino.

Don't give me John Gruden.  That fucker inherited Dungy's Tampa superbowl team.  

The raiders would of smashed the Bucs in the superbowl if chunky stayed the raider coach and the Bucs had dungy

[Twaddle]

Unless he wins another ring, he'll be considered as a choker though he's never had a Bellichick (Dungy wasn't that good) behind him. Sure, he threw that interception but the Broncos top 5 defense everybody was talking about didn't do shit. He scored 35 points against the Ravens, that should have been enough had the defense done their part.

No, he scored 21 points against the ravens.  Special teams scored 14 points.  However, I agree with you.  His defense screwed him over big time.  There is absolutely no excuse for those hail mary passes that Flacco was tossing up.  Broncos defense basically just stood there and watched, hoping that the receivers wouldn't make the catch.

[MORTALCOIL]

No, he scored 21 points against the ravens.  Special teams scored 14 points.  However, I agree with you.  His defense screwed him over big time.  There is absolutely no excuse for those hail mary passes that Flacco was tossing up.  Broncos defense basically just stood there and watched, hoping that the receivers wouldn't make the catch.

I stand corrected. Anyway, he did his part during regular time. He pretty much had the same problem a lot of times when with the Colts. Only the year they won the SB did the (run) defense mostly show up. 

[Irongrip400]

He is like Brett Favre, he will rack up a bunch of stats, has a ring, but should have had more and will have under achieved.  That's how I look at it.

[MCWAY]

Manning is great....in the regular season. But, in the playoffs, he less than mediocre.

Even the year the Colts won the Super Bowl, he played AWFUL in the Wildcard and Divisional Rounds. Defense and special teams saved his hide. He didn't get his head on straight, until the second half of the AFC Championship.

BTW, Gruden didn't inherit Dungy's Super Bowl team, any more than Dungy inherited Mora's Super Bowl team.

Gruden was hired in Tampa Bay to fix the offense to complement a top-ten defense.

Dungy was hired in Indy to fix the defense to complement a top-ten offense.

They both got rings, as a result, although Gruden got his the first year; while, Dungy had to wait four years.

[Irongrip400]

Manning is great....in the regular season. But, in the playoffs, he less than mediocre.

Even the year the Colts won the Super Bowl, he played AWFUL in the Wildcard and Divisional Rounds. Defense and special teams saved his hide. He didn't get his head on straight, until the second half of the AFC Championship.

BTW, Gruden didn't inherit Dungy's Super Bowl team, any more than Dungy inherited Mora's Super Bowl team.

Gruden was hired in Tampa Bay to fix the offense to complement a top-ten defense.

Dungy was hired in Indy to fix the defense to complement a top-ten offense.

They both got rings, as a result, although Gruden got his the first year; while, Dungy had to wait four years.

Pissed me off.  I thought McNair was going to be lights out, and then he shits the bed.  Manning won without scoring a touchdown, fucking defense held them to field goals the whole game and couldn't put together shit.  Boller should have gone in.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Manning is great....in the regular season. But, in the playoffs, he less than mediocre.

Even the year the Colts won the Super Bowl, he played AWFUL in the Wildcard and Divisional Rounds. Defense and special teams saved his hide. He didn't get his head on straight, until the second half of the AFC Championship.

BTW, Gruden didn't inherit Dungy's Super Bowl team, any more than Dungy inherited Mora's Super Bowl team.

Gruden was hired in Tampa Bay to fix the offense to complement a top-ten defense.

Dungy was hired in Indy to fix the defense to complement a top-ten offense.

They both got rings, as a result, although Gruden got his the first year; while, Dungy had to wait four years.

Gruden implemented the offese that was run in Oakland and was in place when he played them in the SuperBowl.  he even laughed that the defense knew what the Offense was going to run.  he got lucky that Oakland was his opponent

[MCWAY]

Gruden implemented the offese that was run in Oakland and was in place when he played them in the SuperBowl.  he even laughed that the defense knew what the Offense was going to run.  he got lucky that Oakland was his opponent

Well, you can easily argue that, if Gruden knew Oakland's plays, then Callahan knew Tampa Bay's plays.

Then again, knowing your opponents' plays is one thing; STOPPING them from executing them is quite another.

That's what made Dallas' 90s Super Bowl teams so imposing. You KNEW what they were going to do; you just couldn't stop them.

[Nails]

Tim Tebow got the sorry Donkeys out the first round of the playoffs last year

[arce1988]

  Tampa Two Tony

[MCWAY]

Tim Tebow got the sorry Donkeys out the first round of the playoffs last year

The Broncos got no further this year with Manning than they did last year with Tebow. Ironically enough, Tebow won his first playoff appearance. Manning got smoked 41-0 in his playoff debut and, until 2006, he had the rep of choking in the post-season (But, as stated earlier, he played like crap in the first two rounds; but special teams and defense saved his hide that year).

Manning's 12-4 Colts lost to the 8-8 Chargers in San Diego in 2008. The Chargers also bounced the Colts in Indy in 2007.

The Jets eliminated the Colts in Indy in 2010. The Colts were on the decline, as they didn't win the AFC South until the final week of the season, uncharacteristic of their team.

[Grape Ape]

All it shows it that it's freaking really hard to win a Super Bowl.

The multiple winners like Brady, Eli and Ben had to get big breaks to get their wins.  There's huge factors outside of the QBs control.

[MCWAY]

All it shows it that it's freaking really hard to win a Super Bowl.

The multiple winners like Brady, Eli and Ben had to get big breaks to get their wins.  There's huge factors outside of the QBs control.

Repeating is even harder. Heck, 5 times in the last decade or so, the defending Super Bowl champs didn't even make the playoffs the next year:

2002 Patriots
2003 Bucs
2006 Steelers
2009 Steelers
2012 Giants

[dr.chimps]

All it shows it that it's freaking really hard to win a Super Bowl.

The multiple winners like Brady, Eli and Ben had to get big breaks to get their wins.  There's huge factors outside of the QBs control.

Well said.

[Tre]

Yes, it's hard to win championships in this league, but if you didn't know much about the league, would you believe that Peyton Manning has fewer titles than Ben Roethlisberger despite having played 5 more seasons?   

I'm a huge Eli fan because of what he's done when the lights were brightest.  Luck is a factor, but keep in mind that we make a lot of our own luck.  Eli has capitalized when the opportunity was there.  Peyton doesn't play defense, but Denver never should've been in a position where a Hail Mary could tie the game in the closing seconds on Saturday. 

[WOOO]

[PTB]

9 - 11 in playoff games.

Of those 11 losses, 8 of them were in THE FIRST GAME OF THE PLAYOFFS,
many of those after 1st round byes.