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« on: January 26, 2013, 11:17:08 AM »
E-kul, I would like to sincerely apologize for anything I've said to you pertaining to your personal life that could have offended you.  IE, I made some comments about you probably having a shitty job, life, etc. I'm truly sorry I said those things, and feel like shit for saying them.  I was not aware of your current life situation.  I understand your stance on pitbulls, and agree with you 100%.  We do not see eye to eye on the gun issue, but that's okay in book.  This apology is not a joke.  I truly feel like shit for saying anything negative about your life.  Hopefully everything will work out for you in your future.  Please accept this apology.

P.S.  if you ever make it over to the USA, shoot me a message.  I'd like to take you hunting, or target shooting or something.  I think I could change your opinion about guns, or at least make you see that not all gun owners are nutjobs.

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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2013, 11:18:25 AM »
You sound like a twaddle.  Good name choice
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2013, 11:20:15 AM »
You sound like a twaddle.  Good name choice

Stay out of this fuck face.   :D

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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2013, 11:31:13 AM »
Holy shit what a pussy !!!

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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2013, 11:39:24 AM »
Holy shit what a pussy !!!

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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2013, 11:42:38 AM »
Holy shit what a pussy !!!

Trust me, I'm no pussy, I'm the bigger man.  I've learned of E-kul's current life situation, and I feel like shit for saying a few things that I said.  Getbig is fun for talking shit to each other, taking punches and throwing punches.  However, no one should kick another man when he's down, and I'm afraid I may have inadvertently done this with E-kul.  And for that, I truly feel bad.  

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2013, 11:42:51 AM »
E-kul, I would like to sincerely apologize for anything I've said to you pertaining to your personal life that could have offended you.  IE, I made some comments about you probably having a shitty job, life, etc. I'm truly sorry I said those things, and feel like shit for saying them.  I was not aware of your current life situation.  I understand your stance on pitbulls, and agree with you 100%.  We do not see eye to eye on the gun issue, but that's okay in book.  This apology is not a joke.  I truly feel like shit for saying anything negative about your life.  Hopefully everything will work out for you in your future.  Please accept this apology.

P.S.  if you ever make it over to the USA, shoot me a message.  I'd like to take you hunting, or target shooting or something.  I think I could change your opinion about guns, or at least make you see that not all gun owners are nutjobs.

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Hey Man, I don't know if you are sincere or not, but it seems genuine enough.  And if this is because of the Pitbull Attack, you do not need to apologise, I give as good as I get.  I expect hostility because of my views, I have pretty strong opinions on just about everything, and this is bound to attract negative attention.  I have dealt with the special interest groups that supports Pitbulls for years and have developed a thick skin as a result. I don't apologise for my stance though, and I don't assume that it is 100% correct, I am always open to CHANGE my stance given the best quality information. I suppose my stance is generated from the victims perspective, it seems to me that someone has to go to bat for these people, and I am as good a choice as any.  

Do you really think that the NRA or Gun enthusiasts would be catching any heat if innocent people weren't regularly being murdered or seriously injured? Of course they wouldn't, and this is the issue, it gets lost in all the fiery rhetoric and arguments, I have always been of the opinion, if special interest groups don't like the proposed plans to reduce these unnecessary deaths, then by all means, propose an alternative that could potentially work.  For me, I don't care less if people want to own guns or Pitbulls, but when it seriously impacts on those who have zero interest in such things (such as young children), I think things need to be re-evaluated.  And if a bunch of grown ups need to argue and shout back and forth until things get fixed, well so be it,  I don't believe it would be fair to leave things as they are.

I am sure people could make a strong argument for almost anything, Hell, their is even a paedophilia group called NAMBLA, The North American Man/Boy Love Association that advocates for the right for disgusting old men to molest young boys.  Just because people make strong arguments for something, doesn't make it right.  Somebody has to at least attempt to protect the children and just other people in general.  I honestly don't believe all gun owners are crazy, and I have genuinely met some very reasonable people who love and own guns.  And although I will cop flak for this, and I regularly claim to be an atheist, I do really admire some buddhist ideals, and I may be an idealist, but I think it is important to minimise the suffering of all life forms, I often question this motivation, as sometimes I think it makes no sense, and at times I think that pure selfishness and hedonistic impulses should be followed 100%.
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2013, 11:52:25 AM »
Hey Man, I don't know if you are sincere or not, but it seems genuine enough.  And if this is because of the Pitbull Attack, you do not need to apologise, I give as good as I get.  I expect hostility because of my views, I have pretty strong opinions on just about everything, and this is bound to attract negative attention.  I have dealt with the special interest groups that supports Pitbulls for years and have developed a thick skin as a result. I don't apologise for my stance though, and I don't assume that it is 100% correct, I am always open to CHANGE my stance given the best quality information. I suppose my stance is generated from the victims perspective, it seems to me that someone has to go to bat for these people, and I am as good a choice as any.  
 

Yes, I'm being sincere.  And yes, this is because of your pitbull attack, and how it has effected your life physically, emotionaly, and financially.  I had no idea of your current situation, and jokingly said some things about your life, job, etc.  Please accept my apology.  Sometimes we take things like our day to day lives for granted.  Like I said, hopefully things will work out for you in the future.

As for the guns, let's just agree to disagree.  The invitation is always open.  If you ever make it to the USA i'll peronally take you out shooting, or set you up with somebody that will.  I think it would be good for you to see what all the fuss is about.

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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2013, 12:19:23 PM »
Yes, I'm being sincere.  And yes, this is because of your pitbull attack, and how it has effected your life physically, emotionaly, and financially.  I had no idea of your current situation, and jokingly said some things about your life, job, etc.  Please accept my apology.  Sometimes we take things like our day to day lives for granted.  Like I said, hopefully things will work out for you in the future.

As for the guns, let's just agree to disagree.  The invitation is always open.  If you ever make it to the USA i'll peronally take you out shooting, or set you up with somebody that will.  I think it would be good for you to see what all the fuss is about.
Thanks, it did have a serious impact on my life, prior to the attack, I owned a pretty good business and made really good money and I had at least a hundred grand saved, physically, I was unable to walk for over 6 months and the following six months after that, walking was very painful and difficult.  If people haven't experienced not being able to walk for an extended period, it soon becomes frustrating, and because at the time I was living on my own, simple things like showering take on a whole new meaning, having a shower took me about half an hour, I had to cover the backslabs, get undressed, with one arm and one leg this isn't as easy as it sounds, and then hop into the shower and sit in a shower chair to wash.  Just the whole process of undressing, showering, towelling off and redressing took quite a while.  During this time I also developed a deep vein thrombosis and a persistent Cellulitis skin infection.  Needles to say, it wasn't a good time, I had to sell my business, sell specialist equipment, and spend a portion of my life savings just to survive.  

At first psychologically I didn't feel too effected, I think I just pretended it never happened, but I made a few bad choices and some huge changes and at some point my psychological well being crashed and I became filled with rage, I stopped training and exercising, I started using marijuana to cope and my life slowly spiralled out of control from there.  I have since kicked the POT and am now back training and making the best of it, I am not where I used to be, but life has a funny way of testing you, and physically, I am not the man I used to be, but mentally I have developed more strength.  In some areas I have become more fearful and in others I have become more fearless.  I always speak my mind now where in the past I didn't, and I made it a rule to not take other peoples shit, regardless of who they were.  But on the other hand, I no longer walk around thinking bad shit can't happen to me, and are a little more hyper vigilant and aware of my surroundings.

In general, I am calmer now than before the attack, prior to the attack, I used to some times argue and fight with other people, I am more patient and tolerant, and now when I get in inevitable conflict I try not to raise my voice or worse try and physically intimidate the other person.  I simply calmly state my opinion and stick to my guns.  I know some getbiggers picture me as melting down when they read some of my posts, but I don't feel enraged, it is simply my point of view.  I have subtle digs at people and still feel emotion, but it isn't the rage filled monster others like to think it is.  Just the view of a passionate and strong willed man.  For all I know, I could be wrong and wasting my time and efforts on such things when I should be out playing golf or hiking.  But for now,  I see others opposition as a way to sharpen my own mind.  
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2013, 12:28:12 PM »
Twaddle inducing paragraphs worths of meltdowns from Ekulo in this thread. :o
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2013, 12:40:37 PM »
admiting that one is out of line is a sign of strength not weakness

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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2013, 01:01:11 PM »
this threads seems a bit gay  :-\

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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2013, 01:09:15 PM »
this threads seems a bit gay  :-\

  the only thing it lacks is a reach around

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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2013, 03:13:40 PM »
Props to Twaddle for being a man of honor.
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2013, 03:17:41 PM »
E-kul, I would like to sincerely apologize for anything I've said to you pertaining to your personal life that could have offended you.  IE, I made some comments about you probably having a shitty job, life, etc. I'm truly sorry I said those things, and feel like shit for saying them.  I was not aware of your current life situation.  I understand your stance on pitbulls, and agree with you 100%.  We do not see eye to eye on the gun issue, but that's okay in book.  This apology is not a joke.  I truly feel like shit for saying anything negative about your life.  Hopefully everything will work out for you in your future.  Please accept this apology.

P.S.  if you ever make it over to the USA, shoot me a message.  I'd like to take you hunting, or target shooting or something.  I think I could change your opinion about guns, or at least make you see that not all gun owners are nutjobs.

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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2013, 03:20:43 PM »
Good on you Twaddle for being honorable.  

E-Kul, would you rather ban Pitbulls or Guns if you had a choice?

Also, how did you get attacked and if you were able to carry a gun, would that have saved you?  I don`t think guns or Pitbulls (also known as Nanny Dogs in History due to their gentle nature with children) should be banned in any way  but am curious to know your answers to these questions.

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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2013, 03:36:34 PM »
this threads seems a bit gay  :-\

It made my balls shrivel too.

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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2013, 03:58:55 PM »
Good on you Twaddle for being honorable.  

E-Kul, would you rather ban Pitbulls or Guns if you had a choice?

Also, how did you get attacked and if you were able to carry a gun, would that have saved you?  I don`t think guns or Pitbulls (also known as Nanny Dogs in History due to their gentle nature with children) should be banned in any way  but am curious to know your answers to these questions.

The Nanny Dog myth is probably the most perverse of all the propaganda put forward by Pitbull Apologists,  As if a breed of dog that regularly maims, mauls and kills children could be considered an ideal babysitter.  The truth behind the myth and how it got started can be found here http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com.au/2010/08/nanny-dog-myth-revealed.html.  I have asked myself many times if a gun would have helped, it may well have.  But in my case, I am just not a gun guy, and even if Australia had very liberal gun laws and they were easy to get, I wouldn't buy one, let alone take the time to become proficient with one.  I simply see gun ownership as a burden.  It is just one more thing I would have to clean, maintain, safely store and worry about.  

Ideally, I think Pitbulls should banned, the current generation should be sterilised and then grandfathered out of existence.  It is not that I hate the breed, I have even owned one and have a tattoo of one on my right shoulder.  They just aren't suitable pets for civilised societies.  

Ironically, everyone was safer when just the DOGMEN bred them for fighting, firstly they culled the dogs that weren't game and they also hid their secret passion from the publics gaze, so because of this, it was easy to identify a game pitbull, they all were, and because they didn't want the public to know, they kept the dogs well away from society. (this wasn't foolproof, family members were still vulnerable, and a famous dog fighter and breeder by the name of John P. Colby, owned the pitbull that killed his 2 year old nephew at his Newburyport home in 1909.)  Even the dogmen weren't silly enough to keep a pitbull as a housepet.  The problem has arisen because of the do-gooders, their are breeders out there who think they are doing the right thing by breeding the game out of the breed, but all this does now is create confusion, because now it has become impossible to tell which Pitbull is game and which isn't.  And because you have two types of breeder involved with these dogs, you have one breeding for game, and the other trying to breed it out, it has made the situation even more dangerous than when the dogmen were the only ones who kept these dogs.

People like to downplay the importance of genetics in the dog, and place more emphasis on the environment, this is a mistake, studies on both wolves and foxes have demonstrated the importance of genes and proper artificial selection.  Studies with wolves have shown that no amount of love and nurturing when rearing a wolf pup can make it domesticated, one study attempted to rear wolves from pups and after three months had to return them to the wild, as they remained wild and unaffected by the nurturing environment.  Another study on foxes demonstrated that with careful artificial selection you can within three to four generations have an almost domesticated fox.  You have to select the least aggressive from each litter and mate them with each other.  At the moment you reintroduce an aggressive bloodline again, you end up with a more wild unpredictable dog.  

And this is the scenario that Pitbulls face at the moment, too many people breeding to keep the game in the dog, and this will never change.  if you actually eventually breed out the aggression, the breed will slowly evolve into a new type of breed that actually has different physical characteristics.  This is what they found with the fox study (See Silver Foxes), that as they created more passive foxes through careful artificial selection, they actually changed their physical appearance, colour and markings.

And although legislation can be helpful, I actually think the best bet is too recondition people to look at things from a different perspective.  People have to want to do things because they see the benefit to it, not just for themselves, but for everyone.  Like you have in the USA at the moment, even if they bring in severe restrictions and penalties for Gun Control purposes, already you have Police Chiefs coming forward and saying they wont enforce it, no good having laws that Police won't enforce.  Same goes with Pitbulls, even Countries, like Australia that create legislation have the issue of those paid to enforce the laws not doing so because they don't believe in it.  Also, Pitbull owners have just found ways around the legislation.

Let me ask you, if someone near and dear to you, say a child or a parent or perhaps your wife, I don't know, let's say, was killed in a mass shooting or by a Pitbull, would you take time out to reconsider your views, or are you confident that you wouldn't change your mind?

I don't mind what other people indulge in, as long as I or other innocent people don't have to pay the price for their indulgences.
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2013, 04:11:25 PM »
The Nanny Dog myth is probably the most perverse of all the propaganda put forward by Pitbull Apologists,  As if a breed of dog that regularly maims, mauls and kills children could be considered an ideal babysitter.  The truth behind the myth and how it got started can be found here http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com.au/2010/08/nanny-dog-myth-revealed.html.  I have asked myself many times if a gun would have helped, it may well have.  But in my case, I am just not a gun guy, and even if Australia had very liberal gun laws and they were easy to get, I wouldn't buy one, let alone take the time to become proficient with one.  I simply see gun ownership as a burden.  It is just one more thing I would have to clean, maintain, safely store and worry about.  

Ideally, I think Pitbulls should banned, the current generation should be sterilised and then grandfathered out of existence.  It is not that I hate the breed, I have even owned one and have a tattoo of one on my right shoulder.  They just aren't suitable pets for civilised societies.  

Ironically, everyone was safer when just the DOGMEN bred them for fighting, firstly they culled the dogs that weren't game and they also hid their secret passion from the publics gaze, so because of this, it was easy to identify a game pitbull, they all were, and because they didn't want the public to know, they kept the dogs well away from society.  Even the dogmen weren't silly enough to keep a pitbull as a housepet.  The problem has arisen because of the do-gooders, their are breeders out there who think they are doing the right thing by breeding the game out of the breed, but all this does now is create confusion, because now it has become impossible to tell which Pitbull is game and which isn't.  And because you have two types of breeder involved with these dogs, you have one breeding for game, and the other trying to breed it out, it has made the situation even more dangerous than when the dogmen were the only ones who kept these dogs.

People like to downplay the importance of genetics in the dog, and place more emphasis on the environment, this is a mistake, studies on both wolves and foxes have demonstrated the importance of genes and proper artificial selection.  Studies with wolves have shown that no amount of love and nurturing when rearing a wolf pup can make it domesticated, one study attempted to rear wolves from pups and after three months had to return them to the wild, as they remained wild and unaffected by the nurturing environment.  Another study on foxes demonstrated that with careful artificial selection you can within three to four generations have an almost domesticated fox.  You have to select the least aggressive from each litter and mate them with each other.  At the moment you reintroduce an aggressive bloodline again, you end up with a more wild unpredictable dog.  

And this is the scenario that Pitbulls face at the moment, too many people breeding to keep the game in the dog, and this will never change.  if you actually eventually breed out the aggression, the breed will slowly evolve into a new type of breed that actually has different physical characteristics.  This is what they found with the fox study (See Silver Foxes), that as they created more passive foxes through careful artificial selection, they actually changed their physical appearance, colour and markings.

And although legislation can be helpful, I actually think the best bet is too recondition people to look at things from a different perspective.  People have to want to do things because they see the benefit to it, not just for themselves, but for everyone.  Like you have in the USA at the moment, even if they bring in severe restrictions and penalties for Gun Control purposes, already you have Police Chiefs coming forward and saying they wont enforce it, no good having laws that Police won't enforce.  Same goes with Pitbulls, even Countries, like Australia that create legislation have the issue of those paid to enforce the laws not doing so because they don't believe in it.  Pitbull owners have just found ways around the legislation.

Let me ask you, if someone near and dear to you, say a child or a parent or perhaps your wife, I don't know, let's say, was killed in a mass shooting or by a Pitbull, would you take time out to reconsider your views, or are you confident that you wouldn't change your mind?

I don't mind what other people indulge in, as long as I or other innocent people don't have to pay the price for their indulgences.
I think it would be irrational to ban guns or Pitbulls given the statistics and evidence which clearly indicate an EXTREMELY LOW probability for public danger from either of those two.  I say this even if someone close to me was killed or maimed by either.  People will die from guns, dogs, snakes and on and on.  Hippopotamus kill 2900 people or more in Africa every year.  Do I want to see them gone from the earth?  Of course not.  That would be irrational. 

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2013, 04:14:51 PM »
Dogs kill around 30 people or so in the United States each year.  I am perfectly fine with those deaths.  Some are probably justified from the Dog`s perspective I am sure.

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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2013, 04:21:47 PM »
Twaddle inducing paragraphs worths of meltdowns from Ekulo in this thread. :o

Twaddle drawing a lot of good info out of E-Retard for us to use against the pathetic twerp.

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2013, 04:25:08 PM »
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  Hippopotamus kill 2900 people or more in Africa every year.  Do I want to see them gone from the earth?  Of course not.  That would be irrational. 

as far as i know only zoos breed hippos and most of those 2900 people were either unfortunate or/and foolish to get between Ma Hippy and her baby particularly at dusk.
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2013, 04:33:44 PM »
I think it would be irrational to ban guns or Pitbulls given the statistics and evidence which clearly indicate an EXTREMELY LOW probability for public danger from either of those two.  I say this even if someone close to me was killed or maimed by either.  People will die from guns, dogs, snakes and on and on.  Hippopotamus kill 2900 people or more in Africa every year.  Do I want to see them gone from the earth?  Of course not.  That would be irrational.  
What I find irrational, is the belief that it is OK for other people to pay the price for your indulgences!  Kind of like raping a woman and then expecting someone else to go to jail for it.  What you also fail to realise, is that even though the chances are slight, it WILL happen to somebody, and that somebody may be you or a loved one.  You feel safe because you believe because of the statistics, you will almost certainly not be a victim to either of these things.  You may be right, but if you add up all the different ways to get unnecessarily seriously injured or die, the odds increase ever more.  

Now this isn't about trying to prevent that which cannot be prevented, say like Earthquakes, or fires etc etc, like a lot of potentially fatal occurrences, those things are impossible to control or do something about.  But things like being killed by a gun or a pitbull or man made problems, they are easily preventable and these incidents regularly occur because minority groups have insisted on creating an environment whereby these things are inevitable.

And the quote you made about hippo fatalities, I would like to see the study that produced those numbers, I am not saying they are wrong, but people quote all types of garbage, like coconuts kill more people than pitbulls, which is bullshit.  Read below.  But even so, I can rest assuredly knowing I will not be killed by a hippo here in the suburbs, but you can bet your bottom dollar, if some animal nut got a law proposed so he could own and walk his hippo around the neighbourhood, I sure as hell would be seeking a ban on them.

And since you are all for the preservation of life, why take antibiotics to fight bacterial infections, bacterial infections kill people all the time.  Don't bacteria deserve the same protection you afford hippos, or is my argument that some life forms present too greater risk to the human species to keep around.  How many people have to be injured and killed before you think society should do something to protect people?  Serious question, What is an unacceptable number of children being brutally shot or savagely killed by a Pitbull?  

And also, Rats kill someone, once every three years.  Why is it OK do view such creatures as vermin and a threat to humanity, why is it OK to attempt to wipe these creatures from the face of the Earth, but not hippos or dangerous breeds of dog?

THE COCONUT FATALITY MYTH!
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Falling coconut deaths are often used as a comparison to shark attacks; but now Pitbull Nutters, a group who bases all their attempts on resisting BSL on myths and lies are commonly repeating the LIE. Pitbull Nutters naively believe everything told to them and expect that others will also buy their nonsense.

The claim is often made that a person is more likely to be killed by a falling coconut than by a shark (and now Pitbulls), yet such evidence as there is would suggest the number of deaths due to falling coconuts is small. This Myth originated from a U.K. travel insurance company, It was used so the insurance company would cover you for coconut damage, if you travelled with them to Papua New Guinea. Coconut palms are an integral part of life in Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands, given the widespread dependence of subsistence agriculture. The Travel Insurance company cited research done by Dr. Peter Barss and his 1984 study while practising medicine in Papua New Guinea that was published in 2001 by The Journal of Trauma entitled "Injuries Due to Falling Coconuts."

But nowhere does DR Barss say that 150 people get killed by coconuts each year. He provides an anecdotal account of one such death and in a separate paper estimates that over a four-year period five deaths in his hospital's service area were related to coconut palm trees (including climbers falling out of them). Dr Barss has stated, "I am surprised that someone has come up with an actual number for such injuries. It must be a crude estimate, and you would have to ask them what methodology they used to verify whether it has any validity."

Conclusion: Somebody pulled the figure about 150 deaths per annum due to coconuts out of thin air.
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