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« on: January 31, 2013, 03:24:56 AM »

It was memorized by Muhammad and his companions then written down yes.

Something we can hardly say of anyone even today of the bible, then the many flavours, versions and editions.

The qur'an is memorized by hundreds of millions of people today word for word, even little children.

Dec 7, 2012

LONDON: An Indian-origin mother who beat her son "like a dog" for not being able to memorize passages of the Quran, has been found guilty by a British court of murdering him and setting his body on fire to hide evidence.

Sara Ege, 33, a mathematics graduate from India, was found guilty at Cardiff crown court on Wednesday of beating her son Yaseen Ege to death at their home in Pontcanna, Cardiff, in July 2010 and setting fire to his body. She was also found guilty of perverting the course of justice at the court. Sentence was adjourned, the BBC reported.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-12-07/uk/35670201_1_quran-young-boy-british-court
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 05:03:39 AM »

In before Assmed saying they aren't Muslim... or that since some white chick somewhere killed her child, this is completely ok. Nothing but Muslim hate.
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 11:07:02 AM »

Christian woman killed baby daughter by stuffing pages of the Bible into her mouth

Mother doused six-week-old in white spirit and jumped up and down on her

She had tried to smother her older child for crying three years earlier

Health workers missed signs she posed a risk to children, says report

They visited the house earlier on the day of the death and found her husband in grip on psychotic episode

By EMMA REYNOLDS
PUBLISHED: 12:08 GMT, 3 October 2012

A six-week-old baby was killed by her bipolar mother after she stuffed pages from the Bible into the infant's mouth, while supposedly in the care of bungling NHS staff.

Christian fundamentalist Julia Lovemore, 41, killed daughter Faith by stuffing her mouth with paper then dousing her in white spirit and jumping up and down on her body.

Two health workers had visited the home in Milton, near Cambridge, earlier the same day and found her husband David in the grips of a psychotic episode, but had failed to act.

The computer games designer, 39, had been frantically praying on the living room floor, shouting for the devil to be taken out of his wife.

The health workers even heard his wife call from downstairs, but left without seeing her to arrange a formal assessment of the family.

Tragically, an hour later, Mr Lovemore carried his lifeless baby into Milton Health surgery, along with their first child, who was critically ill after being doused in white spirit.

Lovemore admitted manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility and was detained indefinitely under the Mental Health Act.

Other fatal errors by the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough NHS Trust included the shocking loss of records detailing an attempt by Lovemore in 2006 to smother her first child with a pillow to stop her crying.


Shocking: Bipolar Julia Lovemore doused daughter Faith in white spirit and jumped up and down on her body


There was also a three-month gap when the family were left to their own devices after a mismanaged handover between mental health teams, a serious case review revealed.

Furthermore, Lovemore had called a nurse five days before the death to say she wanted no further visits - a common sign of a relapse - which the report said should have alerted staff to the danger she posed.

Mr Lovemore had told social worker earlier that month that if Faith or her sister got into difficulty, he would pray first. 'He never said yes or no to calling a doctor,' prosecutor John Farmer told Cambridgeshire Crown Court in June 2010.

Shocking: Lovemore had tried to stop her first child from crying by smothering her with a pillow three years earlier - but the NHS Trust had lost its records of this


Lovemore's aunt had reported her to authorities after becoming concerned over her 'religious fervour', saying she had distanced herself from her family, branding them 'heathens'.

The report has now criticised Cambridge County Council, local police and the NHS trust for failing to protect the girl, who died in June 2009.

It said there was lack of 'assertiveness' in making Lovemore take her medication.

It was ruled that too much time was spent on determining whether the family's extreme religious views were a sign of mental illness rather than looking at the risk they posed to the children.

The report said: 'There was a failure to collectively recognise the extent to which this family were a risk to their children once they were mentally unwell.'


Disgraceful: Health workers missed warning sign including her request to case treatment days earlier and her husband having a psychotic episode when they visited the house hours before Faith's death

It added that the risk the mother posed to her children was 'not understood in the light of her past behaviour' because of the loss of any record of her attempt to hurt her other daughter.

The report concluded: 'We have no doubt that all the professionals working with Mr and Mrs A [the Lovemores] wanted to help them and were really concerned about the health of both parents.

'However, it is evident that significant systems and processes were not adequately in place and as a result Mrs A and her children were allowed to slip though the safety net of care.'

Dr Chess Denman, medical director at the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough NHS Foundation Trust, said the trust had now acted on the recommendation of the serious case review.

He said: 'We have already responded to the recommendations of the Serious Case Review and our own thorough internal investigation.

'We are now implementing a robust action plan in response to the external inquiry’s findings, including reviewing our risk assessment process and further increasing our focus on quality and safety.'
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2013, 11:15:48 AM »

One has a mental illness the other is a Muslim. Doesn't really matter the old testament says you can put done a unruly child.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2013, 11:24:24 AM »

A six-week-old baby was killed by her bipolar mother

LOL

What is the Muslim mother's excuse?
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2013, 11:25:00 AM »

She probably became bipolar from reading the bible.

Fundementalist christian not roman catholic. I can see the correlation.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2013, 11:25:42 AM »

One has a mental illness the other is a Muslim. Doesn't really matter the old testament says you can put done a unruly child.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

And how many Jews or Christians have you seen doing this lately?
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2013, 11:26:45 AM »

And how many Jews or Christians have you seen doing this lately?

Doesn't matter if its done or not.  What matters is its condone by god
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2013, 11:27:47 AM »

Actually there's quite a few but bashing Islam and Muslims is profitable/popular (as in your desperate case with these threads as you can't prove something in discussion so you resort to lameness).

The muslims that do it, they do it out of culture or other mental issues rather than religion. However the key difference is, our religion does not permit honor killings but your bible endorses it.

There are tons of Hindus who do honor killings. There's tons of African and Arab Chrsitians who do honor killings. There's ethiopian and yemeni jews who do it as well as cases in israel.

But they don't take 247 headlines because it's 'sensitive'

And again Islam/quran/sunnah does not endorse it but rather condemns it, the bible on the other hand condones it. End of story.
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2013, 11:32:51 AM »

Doesn't matter if its done or not.  What matters is its condone by god

I am posting these threads simply in response to some posts I have seen here that only intelligent, educated people convert to Islam and Christianity is only for the uneducated, emotional people.  Notice these Muslims accused of murdering their own families are in Western countries and are educated.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2013, 11:34:02 AM »

I am posting these threads simply in response to some posts I have seen here that only intelligent, educated people convert to Islam and Christianity is only for the uneducated, emotional people.  Notice these Muslims accused of murdering their own families are in Western countries and are educated.

Hahaha, so basically you're desperate?

So being in the west means you're automatically educated? Village people coming from Pakistan are educated instantly because they come to the west?

You realize a lot of these people bring their culture with them. Arab, pakistani, chinese, indian, whatever culture is not islam.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2013, 11:38:24 AM »

So being in the west means you're automatically educated?  Village people coming from Pakistan are educated instantly because they come to the west?


Sara Ege, 33, a mathematics graduate from India, was found guilty at Cardiff crown court on Wednesday of beating her son Yaseen Ege to death at their home in Pontcanna, Cardiff, in July 2010 and setting fire to his body.

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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2013, 11:51:03 AM »

I am posting these threads simply in response to some posts I have seen here that only intelligent, educated people convert to Islam and Christianity is only for the uneducated, emotional people.  Notice these Muslims accused of murdering their own families are in Western countries and are educated.

Yes.  I agree with the point your trying to make.   If this father was so afraid of his daughter being westernized he should have stayed where he came from.  What these immigrants want are all the benefits of a secular society but no obligation to follow the rules.  It's disgusting.
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2013, 12:52:05 PM »

Christian woman killed baby daughter by stuffing pages of the Bible into her mouth

Mother doused six-week-old in white spirit and jumped up and down on her

She had tried to smother her older child for crying three years earlier

Health workers missed signs she posed a risk to children, says report

They visited the house earlier on the day of the death and found her husband in grip on psychotic episode

By EMMA REYNOLDS
PUBLISHED: 12:08 GMT, 3 October 2012

A six-week-old baby was killed by her bipolar mother after she stuffed pages from the Bible into the infant's mouth, while supposedly in the care of bungling NHS staff.

Christian fundamentalist Julia Lovemore, 41, killed daughter Faith by stuffing her mouth with paper then dousing her in white spirit and jumping up and down on her body.

Two health workers had visited the home in Milton, near Cambridge, earlier the same day and found her husband David in the grips of a psychotic episode, but had failed to act.

The computer games designer, 39, had been frantically praying on the living room floor, shouting for the devil to be taken out of his wife.

The health workers even heard his wife call from downstairs, but left without seeing her to arrange a formal assessment of the family.

Tragically, an hour later, Mr Lovemore carried his lifeless baby into Milton Health surgery, along with their first child, who was critically ill after being doused in white spirit.

Lovemore admitted manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility and was detained indefinitely under the Mental Health Act.

Other fatal errors by the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough NHS Trust included the shocking loss of records detailing an attempt by Lovemore in 2006 to smother her first child with a pillow to stop her crying.


Shocking: Bipolar Julia Lovemore doused daughter Faith in white spirit and jumped up and down on her body


There was also a three-month gap when the family were left to their own devices after a mismanaged handover between mental health teams, a serious case review revealed.

Furthermore, Lovemore had called a nurse five days before the death to say she wanted no further visits - a common sign of a relapse - which the report said should have alerted staff to the danger she posed.

Mr Lovemore had told social worker earlier that month that if Faith or her sister got into difficulty, he would pray first. 'He never said yes or no to calling a doctor,' prosecutor John Farmer told Cambridgeshire Crown Court in June 2010.

Shocking: Lovemore had tried to stop her first child from crying by smothering her with a pillow three years earlier - but the NHS Trust had lost its records of this


Lovemore's aunt had reported her to authorities after becoming concerned over her 'religious fervour', saying she had distanced herself from her family, branding them 'heathens'.

The report has now criticised Cambridge County Council, local police and the NHS trust for failing to protect the girl, who died in June 2009.

It said there was lack of 'assertiveness' in making Lovemore take her medication.

It was ruled that too much time was spent on determining whether the family's extreme religious views were a sign of mental illness rather than looking at the risk they posed to the children.

The report said: 'There was a failure to collectively recognise the extent to which this family were a risk to their children once they were mentally unwell.'


Disgraceful: Health workers missed warning sign including her request to case treatment days earlier and her husband having a psychotic episode when they visited the house hours before Faith's death

It added that the risk the mother posed to her children was 'not understood in the light of her past behaviour' because of the loss of any record of her attempt to hurt her other daughter.

The report concluded: 'We have no doubt that all the professionals working with Mr and Mrs A [the Lovemores] wanted to help them and were really concerned about the health of both parents.

'However, it is evident that significant systems and processes were not adequately in place and as a result Mrs A and her children were allowed to slip though the safety net of care.'

Dr Chess Denman, medical director at the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough NHS Foundation Trust, said the trust had now acted on the recommendation of the serious case review.

He said: 'We have already responded to the recommendations of the Serious Case Review and our own thorough internal investigation.

'We are now implementing a robust action plan in response to the external inquiry’s findings, including reviewing our risk assessment process and further increasing our focus on quality and safety.'

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2013, 01:23:20 PM »


 Lips sealed

Hindus have PhDs yet they still will be found worshipping a monkey idol and commit honor killings far more than Muslims. They even have 'caste system' where the 'untouchables' can be raped by the higher ups.

What's your point? You're desperate loco, admit it. You can't prove the trinity so you resorted to pathetic threads.

You realize for every one of these acts there is an equivalent Christian one all around the world but it does not get the spotlight as Muslims do for political reasons.

Bottom line Islam does not endorse honor killings. So what are you getting at?
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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2013, 04:03:42 PM »

Hindus have PhDs yet they still will be found worshipping a monkey idol and commit honor killings far more than Muslims. They even have 'caste system' where the 'untouchables' can be raped by the higher ups.

What's your point? You're desperate loco, admit it. You can't prove the trinity so you resorted to pathetic threads.

You realize for every one of these acts there is an equivalent Christian one all around the world but it does not get the spotlight as Muslims do for political reasons.

Bottom line Islam does not endorse honor killings. So what are you getting at?

But a_ahmed, she is a Muslim, and an educated woman, and she's in the UK.     Undecided
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2013, 04:06:56 PM »

But a_ahmed, she is a Muslim, and an educated woman, and she's in the UK.     Undecided

and your point is.... ?  Huh
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2013, 07:01:06 PM »

and your point is.... ?  Huh

What's a_ahmed's point?  He keeps talking about Hinuds and honor killings, as if this woman is Hindu.
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2013, 08:38:01 PM »

What's a_ahmed's point?  He keeps talking about Hinuds and honor killings, as if this woman is Hindu.

Last I checked you created this thread, as well as two other similarly pointless ones, and Ahmed's replies are to show you a parallel.  So again, my question, what's your point?
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2013, 09:01:19 PM »

and your point is.... ?  Huh

The point is this...

There are indeed honor killings in third world shitholes. These are predominantly perpetrated by Muslims and occasionally by other faiths.

The disturbing thing is that when you move to a more enlightened, better educated society, there is an alarming number of Muslims committing such atrocities.

We all know why this is. It is because Muslim teachings in the first world are still very much stone age when it comes to keeping other people 'in line' - be they other Muslims or people of other faiths.
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2013, 09:46:37 AM »

The point is this...

There are indeed honor killings in third world shitholes. These are predominantly perpetrated by Muslims and occasionally by other faiths.

The disturbing thing is that when you move to a more enlightened, better educated society, there is an alarming number of Muslims committing such atrocities.

We all know why this is. It is because Muslim teachings in the first world are still very much stone age when it comes to keeping other people 'in line' - be they other Muslims or people of other faiths.

So this thread shows that such crimes are committed more in first world countries by Muslims versus Sikhs, Hindus, or other minorities who originated from third world countries?  I must have missed the post where evidence of this was shown.
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2013, 08:53:33 AM »

So this thread shows that such crimes are committed more in first world countries by Muslims versus Sikhs, Hindus, or other minorities who originated from third world countries?  I must have missed the post where evidence of this was shown.

It is just one sample our of many but yes - it is those ex of the 3rd world that commit most of the honor killings/maimings in the first world.

In fact, most from the first world didn't even know what an honor killing was 20 years ago.

This is not to say that the developed nations were without crime, just without this sort of nonsense.
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2013, 08:41:22 AM »

Christian woman killed baby daughter by stuffing pages of the Bible into her mouth

Mother doused six-week-old in white spirit and jumped up and down on her

She had tried to smother her older child for crying three years earlier

Health workers missed signs she posed a risk to children, says report

They visited the house earlier on the day of the death and found her husband in grip on psychotic episode

By EMMA REYNOLDS
PUBLISHED: 12:08 GMT, 3 October 2012

A six-week-old baby was killed by her bipolar mother after she stuffed pages from the Bible into the infant's mouth, while supposedly in the care of bungling NHS staff.

Christian fundamentalist Julia Lovemore, 41, killed daughter Faith by stuffing her mouth with paper then dousing her in white spirit and jumping up and down on her body.

Two health workers had visited the home in Milton, near Cambridge, earlier the same day and found her husband David in the grips of a psychotic episode, but had failed to act.

The computer games designer, 39, had been frantically praying on the living room floor, shouting for the devil to be taken out of his wife.

The health workers even heard his wife call from downstairs, but left without seeing her to arrange a formal assessment of the family.

Tragically, an hour later, Mr Lovemore carried his lifeless baby into Milton Health surgery, along with their first child, who was critically ill after being doused in white spirit.

Lovemore admitted manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility and was detained indefinitely under the Mental Health Act.

Other fatal errors by the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough NHS Trust included the shocking loss of records detailing an attempt by Lovemore in 2006 to smother her first child with a pillow to stop her crying.


Shocking: Bipolar Julia Lovemore doused daughter Faith in white spirit and jumped up and down on her body


There was also a three-month gap when the family were left to their own devices after a mismanaged handover between mental health teams, a serious case review revealed.

Furthermore, Lovemore had called a nurse five days before the death to say she wanted no further visits - a common sign of a relapse - which the report said should have alerted staff to the danger she posed.

Mr Lovemore had told social worker earlier that month that if Faith or her sister got into difficulty, he would pray first. 'He never said yes or no to calling a doctor,' prosecutor John Farmer told Cambridgeshire Crown Court in June 2010.

Shocking: Lovemore had tried to stop her first child from crying by smothering her with a pillow three years earlier - but the NHS Trust had lost its records of this


Lovemore's aunt had reported her to authorities after becoming concerned over her 'religious fervour', saying she had distanced herself from her family, branding them 'heathens'.

The report has now criticised Cambridge County Council, local police and the NHS trust for failing to protect the girl, who died in June 2009.

It said there was lack of 'assertiveness' in making Lovemore take her medication.

It was ruled that too much time was spent on determining whether the family's extreme religious views were a sign of mental illness rather than looking at the risk they posed to the children.

The report said: 'There was a failure to collectively recognise the extent to which this family were a risk to their children once they were mentally unwell.'


Disgraceful: Health workers missed warning sign including her request to case treatment days earlier and her husband having a psychotic episode when they visited the house hours before Faith's death

It added that the risk the mother posed to her children was 'not understood in the light of her past behaviour' because of the loss of any record of her attempt to hurt her other daughter.

The report concluded: 'We have no doubt that all the professionals working with Mr and Mrs A [the Lovemores] wanted to help them and were really concerned about the health of both parents.

'However, it is evident that significant systems and processes were not adequately in place and as a result Mrs A and her children were allowed to slip though the safety net of care.'

Dr Chess Denman, medical director at the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough NHS Foundation Trust, said the trust had now acted on the recommendation of the serious case review.

He said: 'We have already responded to the recommendations of the Serious Case Review and our own thorough internal investigation.

'We are now implementing a robust action plan in response to the external inquiry’s findings, including reviewing our risk assessment process and further increasing our focus on quality and safety.'

How does that reflect badly on Christianity? The woman was just misusing the Bible as a weapon, nothing more, unlike the Muslim who beat her son for not memorizing the Quran. In fact she may even have been possessed by a devil, an enemy of God! Next time don't post more irrelevant shit, Ahmed. This does not in any way make Christianity look bad despite your wicked attempt to do so, you scoundrel.
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