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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2013, 05:19:21 PM »
I'd bet money not a single person here would resist if they were watching football on a Sunday, there was a knock at the door and six ATF agents armed to the teeth in body armor were there demanding you turn over your firearms.

yeah, go ahead and tell me you would start shooting.....LOL  ::)

the bullshit runs so deep on this site it's laughable

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2013, 05:19:24 PM »
sure sure girlie now run along and watch your lifetime movies, the time for emotional outbreaks and crying is done.

Bro, you're the only one melting down here and resorting to name calling instead of having a constructive debate.  Maybe it's time to unplug, take your medicine and go target shooting or something :D
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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2013, 05:20:29 PM »
I'd bet money not a single person here would resist if they were watching football on a Sunday, there was a knock at the door and six ATF agents armed to the teeth in body armor were there demanding you turn over your firearms.

yeah, go ahead and tell me you would start shooting.....LOL  ::)

the bullshit runs so deep on this site it's laughable

exactly!  These tools comparing themselves to the viet cong is hilarious. 
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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2013, 05:20:51 PM »
I'd bet money not a single person here would resist if they were watching football on a Sunday, there was a knock at the door and six ATF agents armed to the teeth in body armor were there demanding you turn over your firearms.

yeah, go ahead and tell me you would start shooting.....LOL  ::)

the bullshit runs so deep on this site it's laughable
how many ppl do you think they are going to be able to get the drop on?

once this happens it will be all over the place, the internet, news, radio etc...

They wouldnt be able to do that to everyone only a small % of gun owners.

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2013, 05:21:53 PM »
Bro, you're the only one melting down here and resorting to name calling instead of having a constructive debate.  Maybe it's time to unplug, take your medicine and go target shooting or something :D
LOL constructive?

hahahhaaha you fucking moron, youre saying that banning guns from law abiding citizens while criminals will still have them is constructive?

hahahahhaha fuking wow!!!

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2013, 05:22:45 PM »
The price of moral grandstanding: The folly of libs' high-minded investing

By George Will


Politics becomes amusing when liberalism becomes theatrical with high-minded gestures. Chicago’s government, which is not normally known for elevated thinking, is feeling so morally upright and financially flush that it proposes to rise above the banal business of maximizing the value of its employees’ and retirees’ pension fund assets. Although seven funds have cumulative unfunded liabilities of $25 billion, Chicago will sacrifice the growth of those assets to the striking of a political pose so pure it is untainted by practicality.

Emulating New York and California, two deep-blue states with mammoth unfunded pension liabilities, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel (D) has hectored a $5 billion pension fund into divesting its holdings in companies that manufacture firearms. Now he is urging two large banks to deny financing to such companies “that profit from gun violence.” TD Bank provides a $60 million credit line to Smith & Wesson, and Bank of America provides a $25 million line to Sturm, Ruger & Co.

Chicago’s current and retired public employees might wish the city had invested more in both companies. Barack Obama, for whom Emanuel was chief of staff, has become a potent gun salesman because of suspicions that he wants to make gun ownership more difficult. Since he was inaugurated four years ago, there have been 65 million requests for background checks of gun purchasers. Four years ago, the price of Smith & Wesson stock was $2.45. Last week it was $8.76, up 258 percent. Four years ago, the price of Sturm Ruger stock was $6.46. Last week it was $51.09, up 691 percent. The Wall Street Journal reports that even before “a $1.2 billion balloon payment for pensions comes due” in 2015, “Chicago’s pension funds, which are projected to run dry by the end of the decade, are scraping the bottoms of their barrels.”

Nevertheless, liberals are feeling good about themselves — the usual point of liberalism — because New York state’s public pension fund and California’s fund for teachers have, the New York Times says, “frozen or divested” gun holdings, and Calpers, the fund for other California public employees, may join this gesture jamboree this month. All this is being compared to the use of divestment to pressure South Africa to dismantle apartheid in the 1980s. Well.


Apartheid was a wicked practice. Guns are legal products in America, legally sold under federal, state and local regulations. Most of the guns sold to Americans are made by Americans. Americans have a right — a constitutional right — to own guns, and 47 percent of U.S. households exercise that portion of the Bill of Rights by possessing at least one firearm.

For Emanuel to say that gun makers “profit from gun violence” is as sensible as saying automobile manufacturers “profit from highway carnage” — which, by the way, kills more Americans than guns do. Emanuel, who is more intelligent than he sounds (just as many think Wagner’s music is better than it sounds), must know that not one fewer gun will be made, sold or misused because Chicago is wagging its finger at banks.

Moral grandstanding, however, offers steady work, and the Chronicle of Higher Education reports a new front in “the battle against climate change”: “Student groups at almost 200 colleges and universities are calling on boards of trustees to divest their colleges’ holdings in large fossil-fuel companies.” Of course, not one share of those companies’ stock will go unsold because academia is so righteous. Others will profit handsomely from such holdings and from being complicit in supplying what the world needs. Fossil fuels, the basis of modern life, supply 82 percent of U.S. energy, and it is projected that they will supply 78 percent of the global increase in energy demand between 2009 and 2035, by which time the number of cars and trucks on the planet will have doubled to 1.7 billion.

Institutions of higher education will, presumably, warn donors that their endowments will be wielded in support of the political agenda du jour, which might include divesting from any company having anything to do with corn, source of the sweetener in many of the sodas that make some people fat and New York’s mayor cranky. Or anything to do with red meat, sugar, salt, trans fats, chickens not lovingly raised . . . .
Liberal ethicists may decide that the only virtuous investments are in electric cars. The Obama administration says that 1 million will be sold by 2015. Maybe 70,000 have been so far. Just imagine how pension funds will prosper by betting on the next 930,000.

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2013, 05:23:09 PM »
No one is saying they will not pass some stricter laws... But it won't make a ounce of difference.. The vp knows this so why do it? ... Again, symbolism over substance..

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #57 on: February 06, 2013, 05:26:31 PM »
No one is saying they will not pass some stricter laws... But it won't make a ounce of difference.. The vp knows this so why do it? ... Again, symbolism over substance..
liberal mantra of acting simply for the sake of acting...it doesnt matter if it does nothing or even if it makes things worse.

At least they "did something"

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #58 on: February 06, 2013, 05:27:19 PM »
liberal mantra of acting simply for the sake of acting...it doesnt matter if it does nothing or even if it makes things worse.

At least they "did something"



Bad precedence.

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #59 on: February 06, 2013, 05:27:39 PM »
exactly!  These tools comparing themselves to the viet cong is hilarious. 
You're making the assumption that they're just going to come pick up the firearms (and know where to get them) and no one is going to do anything about it. As soon as one shot is fired in anger and an innocent dies at the hands of the Federal Government attempting to confiscate weapons, shit will hit the fan, and there are plenty of crazies out there that would be willing to do just that.

A civil war started over peoples rights to own slaves (something NOT protected by the constitution, in fact they have a nice little sentence in their about how "all men are created equal", which kind of makes it an entirely different scenario.)... can you imagine if they literally attempted to disarm the citizens when it's a constitutionally protected right?

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #60 on: February 06, 2013, 05:30:22 PM »
how many ppl do you think they are going to be able to get the drop on?

once this happens it will be all over the place, the internet, news, radio etc...

They wouldnt be able to do that to everyone only a small % of gun owners.

Yup, and 99% of people would say "fuck, this is BULLSHIT" as they turn their guns over to the proper authorities.

Like some father of three with a good job who is planning on retiring in 5 years is going to risk having his family killed in a firefight, and he's now looking at serious jail time if he's not killed himself... so he can keep his precious guns.

Let's keep this discussion based in reality, shall we

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #61 on: February 06, 2013, 05:33:03 PM »
Yup, and 99% of people would say "fuck, this is BULLSHIT" as they turn their guns over to the proper authorities.

Like some father of three with a good job who is planning on retiring in 5 years is going to risk having his family killed in a firefight, and he's now looking at serious jail time if he's not killed himself... so he can keep his precious guns.

Let's keep this discussion based in reality, shall we

Of course a father of three looking out for the best interest of his children will hand over the firearms when confronted by a team conduction a search and seizure... But you're totally discounting everyone else and every other situation.

Not to mention those people that think that fighting for their constitution is worth their own lives, or those that think that it's worth it for the sake of their childrens future....

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #62 on: February 06, 2013, 05:35:47 PM »
You guys need to seriously study your history.  Keep quibbling about this.  In the meantime, stricter gun laws will be passed :-)

Actually they wont , even Harry Reid knows a ' new ' Assault weapons ban isn't going to happen , but they can back door gun laws and circumvent the usual process like they did in New York but in reality it wont stand up to the supreme court when the law suits start rolling in

And in the end what do stricter guns laws do? punish people who intend to follow them and criminals by nature don't. Very strict policies on drugs in this country yet people get them and abuse them

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #63 on: February 06, 2013, 05:36:04 PM »
You guys are wasting your time with MS.

If the issue doesn't involve hours of being nose deep in another mans ass crack while attempting to pull off a "friends only"  bjj submission, he is vehemently opposed.

He can triangle choke anyone-- therefore he has no need for primitive and barbaric "firearms".

The founding fathers were stupid and out of shape.

They never took cage fighting into the equation when they were constructing the bill of rights.  ::)

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2013, 05:36:22 PM »
Yup, and 99% of people would say "fuck, this is BULLSHIT" as they turn their guns over to the proper authorities.

Like some father of three with a good job who is planning on retiring in 5 years is going to risk having his family killed in a firefight, and he's now looking at serious jail time if he's not killed himself... so he can keep his precious guns.

Let's keep this discussion based in reality, shall we

LOL ok reality, how will the govt know where to go for all the guns?

you really think ppl will just turn their guns over? what about the criminals? you think they are just going to turn them in voluntarily?

you think there wont be law abiding citizens that decide to rat hole them away?

you think that there wont be individuals that fight back?

you want reality stop looking at things based on where you live and your experiences.

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #65 on: February 06, 2013, 05:39:55 PM »
Of course a father of three looking out for the best interest of his children will hand over the firearms when confronted by a team conduction a search and seizure... But you're totally discounting everyone else and every other situation.

Not to mention those people that think that fighting for their constitution is worth their own lives, or those that think that it's worth it for the sake of their childrens future....

I'm not discounting anything. fact is if they were put to the test and had to choose whether they truly wanted to start shooting real bullets at armed agents who had every intention of shooting back and killing them, 'from my cold dead hands" would be exposed as the bullshit posturing rhetoric it is, and 99% of people wouldn't be willing to throw their lives away over some stupid fucking guns

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #66 on: February 06, 2013, 05:40:27 PM »
Oh brother ::)  You're going to compare yourself to the Afghanis and Vietnamese?  Not only was the terrain completely different (jungle and mountainous caves), but these people were fighting for their lives and being supported by other governments.  

If it really ever came down to it, most of these Ted Nugent wannabes, would fold in 2 secs if a team of navy seals came busting through their door.  And for the rest of the nut jobs that actually tried to put up any kind of resistance, just google branch davidians to see how that would end :)  


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Comparing  Vietnam ,Afghanistan with Ted Nutgun , Narcisdeity ...............is fucking retarded ,

The American Government know who you are ,they speak your language  ,they know where you live , they know where you work ,how much money you make ,what  car you drive , they know your family ............etc
The reality is  that 99% of American citizens are bunch of pussies ( yes you too Tony mctones ) and like Mindspin said they would fold in less than 2 sec .
The revolution has to start from scratch by  a real man  that rejects passivity, accepts responsibility, and leads courageously for the greater reward  and also  he would need help from other real men and foreign nations .


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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #67 on: February 06, 2013, 05:42:36 PM »
I'm not discounting anything. fact is if they were put to the test and had to choose whether they truly wanted to start shooting real bullets at armed agents who had every intention of shooting back and killing them, 'from my cold dead hands" would be exposed as the bullshit posturing rhetoric it is, and 99% of people wouldn't be willing to throw their lives away over some stupid fucking guns
Lol, of course that would happen in that situation. That's not really what is being discussed, the point is that people would start to group together and rebel if that situation ever presented itself, not that someone is going to stand defiantly in his doorway and take a round in the chest in front of his kids rather than hand his firearms over.

But in reality, there would still be people that would do that on principle.

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #68 on: February 06, 2013, 05:43:11 PM »
Oh brother ::)  You're going to compare yourself to the Afghanis and Vietnamese?  Not only was the terrain completely different (jungle and mountainous caves), but these people were fighting for their lives and being supported by other governments.  

If it really ever came down to it, most of these Ted Nugent wannabes, would fold in 2 secs if a team of navy seals came busting through their door.  And for the rest of the nut jobs that actually tried to put up any kind of resistance, just google branch davidians to see how that would end :)  

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Oh brother ::)  You're going to compare yourself to the Afghanis and Vietnamese?  Not only was the terrain completely different (jungle and mountainous caves), but these people were fighting for their lives and being supported by other governments.  

Where did I compare myself to either? I didn't. I said the cartoon isn't accurate because people with just rifles and motors have stifled the American War machine for decades at a time , that's the nature of war these days

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If it really ever came down to it, most of these Ted Nugent wannabes, would fold in 2 secs if a team of navy seals came busting through their door.  And for the rest of the nut jobs that actually tried to put up any kind of resistance, just google branch davidians to see how that would end :)  

I'm not a particular fan of Ted Nugent or his shitty music , although he does speak some truth and way to label every gun owner a right-wing nut case , and NO I'm not a member of the NRA either

And FYI they don't send SEALS to collect guns , they only go after high profile assets. 

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #69 on: February 06, 2013, 05:44:16 PM »
And in the end what do stricter guns laws do? punish people who intend to follow them and criminals by nature don't. Very strict policies on drugs in this country yet people get them and abuse them


Yes.

And, I hope the first part of your post also holds true.

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #70 on: February 06, 2013, 05:47:04 PM »
americans think when the possibilty of revolution happens,becomes reality, theyll be fighting from home and still go to mcdonalds drive in when hungry.

as long they got the guns.lol.how gullible, how much in for a rude awakening.

i dont even know where to start listing stuff.

however, hugo chavezs forces have been shoting unarmed civilians while my brother was there, not very nice.


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Who thinks that? I think most realize how brutal an American civil war would be and the sacrifices that it would entail, and that victory would be anything but guaranteed. It would be about the principle, not about the firearms themselves.

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #71 on: February 06, 2013, 05:54:37 PM »
americans think when the possibilty of revolution happens,becomes reality, theyll be fighting from home and still go to mcdonalds drive in when hungry.

as long they got the guns.lol.how gullible, how much in for a rude awakening.

i dont even know where to start listing stuff.

however, hugo chavezs forces have been shoting unarmed civilians while my brother was there, not very nice.



They think they going to start shooting from the roof of their houses  ;D

They think that they can  fight the government without a leader .
They think that they don't need to organize
They think that they won't need help from other Nations .
They think that they  won't  need real weapons ....

Oh brother ::)

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #72 on: February 06, 2013, 05:55:17 PM »
They think they going to start shooting from the roof of their houses  ;D,  

They think that they can  fight the government without a leader .
They think that they don't need to organize
They think that they won't need help from other Nations .
They think that they  won't  need real weapons ....

Oh brother ::)
Yeah, all that is an instant fail. With the possible exception of the other nations part, there are plenty of resources available right here.

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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #73 on: February 06, 2013, 05:58:06 PM »
Yup, and 99% of people would say "fuck, this is BULLSHIT" as they turn their guns over to the proper authorities.

Like some father of three with a good job who is planning on retiring in 5 years is going to risk having his family killed in a firefight, and he's now looking at serious jail time if he's not killed himself... so he can keep his precious guns.

Let's keep this discussion based in reality, shall we


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Re: Joe Biden admits gun control will not stop mass shootings
« Reply #74 on: February 06, 2013, 05:59:17 PM »
They demonize ARs when all of the shootings could be done with any type of firearms. A few small caliber pistols can do as much damage or a few pump shotguns with buckshot. A sword taken on an unsuspecting crowd could kill a dozen people.

And you can forget Obama sending troops to residences to seize assault rifles. The first paranoid hick in the backwoods loaded with firearms and booby traps waiting on these things to happen would probably take a few out.