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« Reply #100 on: March 30, 2013, 06:49:35 AM »

I've seen people write stuff like "Chris would have been something in a lighter division like Cruiserweight" but I just don't see it. The kid obviously wanted it but the physical limitations were just too much to overcome.

I do think Mike Von Erich would have been a really nice fit at a Cruiserweight type division. Not that he would have set the world on fire but you could tell he had a decent amount of athleticism pre Toxic Shock condition. I always seen him as a slighter, lesser version of Kevin.
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« Reply #101 on: April 01, 2013, 10:37:15 AM »

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« Reply #102 on: April 01, 2013, 06:28:05 PM »

KERRY AT TIME MOSTLY HAD A THICK GREAT BUILD,,,MIKE HAD A SLEEK RIPPED AND GOOD SHAPED BUILD,,DAVID WELL...

True but David was close to 6'7 and didn't have the type of frame condusive to packing on muscle but I still say he was up there with Fritz as being the most talented Von Erich of all. He didn't have that outrageous body like Kerry but he had great ring psychology, his story lines were always interesting, his interviews were always fun to watch and he could work a 20+ minute match and hold the crowd the entire way.

 I don't know if his cowboy look would have made the transition in New York with WWF but I would have loved to have seen him through out the 80's in the South/WCW working with the 4 horseman or something along those lines.

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« Reply #103 on: April 02, 2013, 09:29:21 AM »

I don't know if his cowboy look would have made the transition in New York with WWF but I would have loved to have seen him through out the 80's in the South/WCW working with the 4 horseman or something along those lines.


They actually wanted Bret to be "Cowboy" Bret Hart when WWF first signed him. Bret was smart to kick and scream for something else. They eventually gave the rhinestone cowboy gimmick to Jeff Jarrett about ten years later.

And Vince was shocked that Jarrett couldn't get over in his company.
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« Reply #104 on: April 02, 2013, 09:49:32 AM »


They actually wanted Bret to be "Cowboy" Bret Hart when WWF first signed him. Bret was smart to kick and scream for something else. They eventually gave the rhinestone cowboy gimmick to Jeff Jarrett about ten years later.

And Vince was shocked that Jarrett couldn't get over in his company.
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« Reply #105 on: April 02, 2013, 10:28:50 AM »


They actually wanted Bret to be "Cowboy" Bret Hart when WWF first signed him. Bret was smart to kick and scream for something else. They eventually gave the rhinestone cowboy gimmick to Jeff Jarrett about ten years later.

And Vince was shocked that Jarrett couldn't get over in his company.

Was Jarrett really ever over in WCW with his persona? I know he was really pushed though. There seems to be a divide on him amongst fans but I never really hated the guy like you might some heels...I just thought him to be so boring that I got up to make a sandwich when he came on. Complete indifference. At least when Honky Tonk Man held the guitar he could pull it off because he had an interesting personality. JJ was just garbage personality wise but a decent worker.

Vince really makes you shake your head with some of the ideas he would come up with. What in his mind thought he could just slap any package on a technically great wrestler and it would sell?? Bret would have looked SO ridiculous in a 2 bit cowboy outfit walking to the ring. He would have felt like the biggest clown in the world!

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« Reply #106 on: April 02, 2013, 10:29:47 AM »

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Yeah, I just think that whole gimmick was a death sentence for Jarrett. Like Terry Taylor, Jeff was a good worker overshadowed by a stupid character. But, there was a time that guys were willing to work stupid gimmicks just to get into the company.

Some, like Matt Borne, out-worked the idiocy of their assigned character. Matt did wonders as an "evil" clown. In fact, he did so well as Doink, that the character became somewhat iconic, having its own cult following even today. Matt continued to work the Doink gimmick on the Indy scene, and I believe several other men have used it, too. Since Vince is the only person with the rights to that character, he routinely sent cease and desist orders to offenders, including Matt.

Up until at least a few years ago, I know Matt was working shows in clown makeup, but looking more like Heath Ledger's Joker character. I don't know if he was still using the Doink name at all, but I saw footage of him in the gear I described.

Sting recently tried doing something similar in TNA, which tanked.
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« Reply #107 on: April 02, 2013, 11:00:40 AM »

Was Jarrett really ever over in WCW with his persona? I know he was really pushed though. There seems to be a divide on him amongst fans but I never really hated the guy like you might some heels...I just thought him to be so boring that I got up to make a sandwich when he came on. Complete indifference. At least when Honky Tonk Man held the guitar he could pull it off because the guy he had an interesting personality. JJ was just garbage personality wise but a decent worker.

Vince really makes you shake your head with some of the ideas he would come up with. What in his mind thought he could just slap any package on a technically great wrestler and it would sell?? Bret would have looked SO ridiculous in a 2 bit cowboy outfit walking to the ring. He would have felt like the biggest clown in the world!


The old man actually wanted Bret to come to the ring on a horse; a different one each week, as they would requisition one in each town for that show. George Scott allegedly sprouted wood as he excitedly explained this big plan to a "pre-Hart Foundation" Bret in '84.



Vince spoke at some college in '99 when WWF was insanely popular with the momentum of the Attitude Era in full swing. He entertained questions from the audience when someone asked him which wrestler he thought would have done better. At first, he dodged the question by saying he was pleasantly surprised at the longevity of The Undertaker character. But, he did eventually offer a follow-up response saying he was disappointed the Jeff Jarret character didn't do better.

It didn't sound like any sour grapes. It wasn't a slam on Jeff. Vince could have easily buried Jarrett, who'd just left for WCW. However, Vince did make a point to very publicly "fire" Jeff on the last episode of Nitro a few short years later. Granted, he was in character at the time, so it's hard to know how if or how much he enjoyed making that little announcement.

I think indifference is an accurate term to describe what many fans felt towards Jarrett. He didn't have "X-PAC heat," but his character was never very engaging. He was always cooperative, professional, and safe to work with, but that doesn't get you over with fans. He received a bigger push in TNA, but remember that he and his Dad started and owned the company.

I don't know how over he is now, because I honestly pay little attention to what goes on in either company.
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« Reply #108 on: April 02, 2013, 07:28:06 PM »

Was Jarrett really ever over in WCW with his persona? I know he was really pushed though. There seems to be a divide on him amongst fans but I never really hated the guy like you might some heels...I just thought him to be so boring that I got up to make a sandwich when he came on. Complete indifference. At least when Honky Tonk Man held the guitar he could pull it off because he had an interesting personality. JJ was just garbage personality wise but a decent worker.

Vince really makes you shake your head with some of the ideas he would come up with. What in his mind thought he could just slap any package on a technically great wrestler and it would sell?? Bret would have looked SO ridiculous in a 2 bit cowboy outfit walking to the ring. He would have felt like the biggest clown in the world!



You mean like his latest creation.....


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« Reply #109 on: April 02, 2013, 07:31:26 PM »


They actually wanted Bret to be "Cowboy" Bret Hart when WWF first signed him. Bret was smart to kick and scream for something else. They eventually gave the rhinestone cowboy gimmick to Jeff Jarrett about ten years later.

And Vince was shocked that Jarrett couldn't get over in his company.

Jarrett was over big as a heel. As a mid-carder, his feud with Razor Ramon (during his "Double J" shtick, he was one of my favorite heels) was awesome. And, he had the Roadie to top it off, nicely.

After his second attempt at being "Double J", he went with his "Don't P*@@ Me Off" mantra, with the former Godwinns as his bodyguards. Of course, when he dropped them and picked up Debra, people hated his guts but loved Debra and her "puppies" (which nearly gave Jerry "The King" Lawler a heart attack 13 years earlier).

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« Reply #110 on: April 02, 2013, 07:47:02 PM »

Jarrett was over big as a heel. As a mid-carder, his feud with Razor Ramon (during his "Double J" shtick, he was one of my favorite heels) was awesome.


The degree to which Jarrett was over is debatable and down to opinion. His former boss, and owner of the biggest, most successful wrestling promotion ever, would disagree with you.

Vince personally admitted disappointment in the Jeff Jarrett character's success.
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« Reply #111 on: April 02, 2013, 07:59:17 PM »


The degree to which Jarrett was over is debatable and down to opinion. His former boss, and owner of the biggest, most successful wrestling promotion ever, would disagree with you.

Vince personally admitted disappointment in the Jeff Jarrett character's success.

Wasn't Jarrett one of the biggest heels in the WWF in '99, before he left? When he bought off Mark Henry to turn on D'lo Brown and help him win the IC and European titles, people loathed him (although they still loved Debra).
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« Reply #112 on: April 02, 2013, 08:01:01 PM »

Wasn't Jarrett one of the biggest heels in the WWF in '99, before he left? When he bought off Mark Henry to turn on D'lo Brown and help him win the IC and European titles, people loathed him (although they still loved Debra).


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« Reply #113 on: April 03, 2013, 07:51:46 AM »

There were bigger heels at that time like Rock and Hunter. If Vince expected Jarrett to be on their level, that would explain his disappointment. Jarrett wasn't bad, but he had nowhere near the charisma of someone like Rock - either in the ring or on the stick. That was extremely tough competition.

Rock was captivating. Despite being a heel, fans rallied behind the character because it and the performer were so good. Jarrett could never captivate an audience like that.
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« Reply #114 on: April 03, 2013, 08:01:52 AM »

Perhaps Vince believed Jarrett was going to go over the way he was expecting the business to be. Maybe he didn't count on the direction of the business changing the way it did by the end of the 90's. I am still astonished at some of the things that caught on; things I would never expect to become popular in professional wrestling.
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« Reply #115 on: April 03, 2013, 10:04:21 AM »

There were bigger heels at that time like Rock and Hunter. If Vince expected Jarrett to be on their level, that would explain his disappointment. Jarrett wasn't bad, but he had nowhere near the charisma of someone like Rock - either in the ring or on the stick. That was extremely tough competition.

Rock was captivating. Despite being a heel, fans rallied behind the character because it and the performer were so good. Jarrett could never captivate an audience like that.

Indeed. But, just as Rock and Hunter had to overcome their "New Generation" gimmicks, Jarrett had to do the same. And the "Double J" gimmick was no easy one to shake, especially given how well it worked for him as a mid-carder (and IC champion).

Perhaps, it was the whole Debra thing as Jarrett's heat (post "Double J") came mainly because of his treatment of her. McMahon probably thought he couldn't be a big heel without her (especially since the fans loved her, in spite of Jarrett).
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« Reply #116 on: April 03, 2013, 10:34:20 AM »

Indeed. But, just as Rock and Hunter had to overcome their "New Generation" gimmicks, Jarrett had to do the same. And the "Double J" gimmick was no easy one to shake, especially given how well it worked for him as a mid-carder (and IC champion).

Perhaps, it was the whole Debra thing as Jarrett's heat (post "Double J") came mainly because of his treatment of her. McMahon probably thought he couldn't be a big heel without her (especially since the fans loved her, in spite of Jarrett).

I hated it when he became a Horseman, but looking back, he was a pretty good fit for the group.  I liked his work in TNA.
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« Reply #117 on: April 03, 2013, 11:02:43 AM »

I hated it when he became a Horseman, but looking back, he was a pretty good fit for the group.  I liked his work in TNA.


I'm just curious...

How did this make you feel?




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« Reply #118 on: April 03, 2013, 11:35:29 AM »


I'm just curious...

How did this make you feel?




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Growing up, I used to think Sting had a great bodybuilders physique and was like just... HUGE.  Looking at that photo tells me just how wrong I truly was.  Even back in the UWF days, he was just "puffy big".  Never really had any muscle definition or hardness to him.  And those months that he wrestled with a cut off shirt on to cover up the bad gyno job he had was horrible. 
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« Reply #119 on: April 03, 2013, 11:42:06 AM »

David Von Erich is someone that I simply can not watch clips of.  Uggghhh...  And interviews?  I just cringe and hack every time he trots out that "and you can bet your bottom dollar" mantra in that hick voice. 

Kerry ended up being really well built later on in the WWF(E).  Never could understand how people who abused coke and crap like that could be so jacked up.  It is amazing.  I have a friend that his twin brother was a porn star and this dude was on massive amounts of X, heroine, meth, coke, and drank GHB by the capful throughout the day.  That was on top of Vics, valium, Hydros, Oxy, and a shit load of roids and anti depressants he was doing.  This dude was jacked beyond all recognition physique wise.  Finally came clean last year and about 3 months died from a heart attack.  (Official claim.  Most likely jumped back on shit and it pulverized his heart)

I remember reading in Flair's book about his match with Kerry and Kerry was all stoned out of his head and Ric had to keep leaving the ring and bringing him back inside to finish the match. 
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« Reply #120 on: April 03, 2013, 12:10:15 PM »

I hated it when he became a Horseman, but looking back, he was a pretty good fit for the group.  I liked his work in TNA.

How could you NOT like this......

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMHBP9OObJE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMHBP9OObJE</a>

Here's the only WWF title shot I remember Jarrett getting:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pp_JarQtTI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pp_JarQtTI</a>
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« Reply #121 on: April 03, 2013, 12:13:53 PM »

Growing up, I used to think Sting had a great bodybuilders physique and was like just... HUGE.  Looking at that photo tells me just how wrong I truly was.  Even back in the UWF days, he was just "puffy big".  Never really had any muscle definition or hardness to him.  And those months that he wrestled with a cut off shirt on to cover up the bad gyno job he had was horrible. 


I may be completely off mark here, but Sting, like Hogan, often carried a lot of bloat common with Decadurabolin use, and it wouldn't surprise me if Stinger had a fondness for the anabolic.

Hogan admitted in the steroid trial that Deca and its cousin D-Bol were his preferred gear for many years. Lots of guys from that era used those compounds due to the appreciable amount of size they added, and for their joint pain-relief effects. The extra bloat also offered a bit of cushioning for bumps. Both compounds will aromatize (convert to estrogen) if inhibitors are not properly used.
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« Reply #122 on: April 03, 2013, 12:29:30 PM »


I'm just curious...

How did this make you feel?




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Did you REALLY have to post that pic?  It makes me sick to my stomach then, just like it does now.  One of the worst fits in their history if you ask me.  He got his in the end though.  Grin

I never did care for any of his gimmicks.  Plus, he always just beat the crap out of Flair, hulked up on him, and never lost clean.

Way too silly to be a Horseman.
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« Reply #123 on: April 03, 2013, 12:35:00 PM »

Did you REALLY have to post that pic?  It makes me sick to my stomach then, just like it does now.  One of the worst fits in their history if you ask me.  He got his in the end though.  Grin

I never did care for any of his gimmicks.  Plus, he always just beat the crap out of Flair, hulked up on him, and never lost clean.

Way too silly to be a Horseman.

Since the "Four Horseman" got inducted in the Hall last year, doesn't that mean that Sting, Luger, Sid, Ole Anderson, Benoit, Malenko, McMichael, et. al, are all Hall of famers, now?
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« Reply #124 on: April 03, 2013, 12:40:58 PM »

Did you REALLY have to post that pic?  It makes me sick to my stomach then, just like it does now.  One of the worst fits in their history if you ask me.  He got his in the end though.  Grin

I never did care for any of his gimmicks.  Plus, he always just beat the crap out of Flair, hulked up on him, and never lost clean.

Way too silly to be a Horseman.


Nonsense. His bleached flattop/rat-tail combo made him the perfect fit!
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