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« on: February 18, 2013, 04:45:31 PM »

Holy Cow - If you live in Florida, you are not protected by the Constitution

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 2013

Homeland Security Creates "Constitution-Free" Zones
By Seth Mason

The erosion of civil liberties in this country is scary, and it's a travesty that the MSM and even the conservative media (Rush, etc.) won't talk about it.

The latest development in 4th Amendment violations is the scariest I've heard yet. The Department of the Fatherland has approved a policy which states in no uncertain terms that electronic devices can be seized without a warrant within 100 miles of the border. The kicker? The "border", according to this policy, is any national barrier, political or physical. THIS INCLUDES BODIES OF WATER. So, that means that the United States has, in effect, "Constitution-free zones" stretching 100 miles inland from every coast and 100 miles from our northern and southern borders. Unbelievable! Wired has the story:

The Department of Homeland Security’s civil rights watchdog has concluded that travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized and the contents of those devices examined for any reason whatsoever — all in the name of national security.

The DHS, which secures the nation’s border, in 2009 announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its suspicionless search-and-seizure policy pertaining to electronic devices “within 120 days.” More than three years later, the DHS office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties published a two-page executive summary of its findings.

“We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said.

The memo highlights the friction between today’s reality that electronic devices have become virtual extensions of ourselves housing everything from e-mail to instant-message chats to photos and our papers and effects — juxtaposed against the government’s stated quest for national security.

The President George W. Bush administration first announced the suspicionless, electronics search rules in 2008. The President Barack Obama administration followed up with virtually the same rules a year later. Between 2008 and 2010, 6,500 persons had their electronic devices searched along the U.S. border, according to DHS data.

According to legal precedent, the Fourth Amendment — the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures — does not apply along the border. By the way, the government contends the Fourth-Amendment-Free Zone stretches 100 miles inland from the nation’s actual border.

Civil rights groups like the American Civil Liberties Union suggest that “reasonable suspicion” should be the rule, at a minimum, despite that being a lower standard than required by the Fourth Amendment.

“There should be a reasonable, articulate reason why the search of our electronic devices could lead to evidence of a crime,” Catherine Crump, an ACLU staff attorney, said in a telephone interview. “That’s a low threshold.”

The DHS watchdog’s conclusion isn’t surprising, as the DHS is taking that position in litigation in which the ACLU is challenging the suspicionless, electronic-device searches and seizures along the nation’s borders. But that conclusion nevertheless is alarming considering it came from the DHS civil rights watchdog, which maintains its mission is “promoting respect for civil rights and civil liberties.”

“This is a civil liberties watchdog office. If it is doing its job property, it is supposed to objectively evaluate. It has the power to recommend safeguards to safeguard Americans’ rights,” Crump said. “The office has not done that and the public has the right to know why.”
Toward that goal, the ACLU on Friday filed a Freedom of Information Act request demanding to see the full report that the executive summary discusses.

Meantime, a lawsuit the ACLU brought on the issue concerns a New York man whose laptop was seized along the Canadian border in 2010 and returned 11 days later after his attorney complained.

At an Amtrak inspection point, Pascal Abidor showed his U.S. passport to a federal agent. He was ordered to move to the cafe car, where they removed his laptop from his luggage and “ordered Mr. Abidor to enter his password,” according to the lawsuit.

Agents asked him about pictures they found on his laptop, which included Hamas and Hezbollah rallies. He explained that he was earning a doctoral degree at a Canadian university on the topic of the modern history of Shiites in Lebanon.

He was handcuffed and then jailed for three hours while the authorities looked through his computer while numerous agents questioned him, according to the suit, which is pending in New York federal court.


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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2013, 05:54:38 PM »

Source?
If so.. fucked.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2013, 06:14:05 PM »

Source?
If so.. fucked.

this story is true - seen it all over the place
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2013, 06:20:03 PM »

this story is true - seen it all over the place
Dude.....

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2013, 09:10:07 AM »

There have been reports coming from Michigan for the past year or so, saying that cops on routine traffic stops have been downloading contents from electronic devices in the cars they stop.  Imagine that.  The pressure for complete "cloud"-based storage is related to this, as it would further remove power from a person to contain his or her information.

A person should know that "examining" contents first involves copying contents.  We're talking about lifting your information--something that by all right means is your property--for processing, storing, reprocessing, etc., which should outrage any person based on that alone.  But when looking at it for its true purpose, it should scare the hell out of any person:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?PHPSESSID=449ac1b950d5d27928a9004e7d83fc01&topic=459635.0

We are talking about complete political subversion, and the formation of absolute power, using our own fucking information.

Protect your right to privacy, and protect your information.  Our freedom depends upon it.
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2013, 09:16:50 AM »

Unreal.

I think it's time to start a revolution.

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2013, 09:20:28 AM »

Unreal.

I think it's time to start a revolution.



You'd need to communicate with others to do so...do you see where this is going?
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2013, 09:21:58 AM »

You'd need to communicate with others to do so...do you see where this is going?

Absolutely...
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2013, 09:24:50 AM »

Absolutely...

I wish this could be packaged somehow so even the most shameless toolbags wouldn't be able to duck it.
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2013, 09:24:58 AM »

Absolutely...

I think we need a general boycott of the government altogether.  mass civil disobedience  - they cant jail us all.  
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2013, 09:28:23 AM »

I think we need a general boycott of the government altogether.  mass civil disobedience  - they cant jail us all.  

Gotta get a sufficient number of people on board with a basic understanding.  I can't help but wonder if that's been behind the drive to fragment our society in such a way that's been done.
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2013, 09:56:02 AM »

Gotta get a sufficient number of people on board with a basic understanding.  I can't help but wonder if that's been behind the drive to fragment our society in such a way that's been done.

BINGO
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2013, 10:51:09 AM »

Gotta get a sufficient number of people on board with a basic understanding.  I can't help but wonder if that's been behind the drive to fragment our society in such a way that's been done.

Are you saying if you had a son he would look like Trayvon?
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2013, 11:40:31 AM »

Not true.
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2013, 11:50:15 AM »

Are you saying if you had a son he would look like Trayvon?

What are you getting at?
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2013, 11:51:51 AM »

Not true.

What's that, Mr. Magoo?
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2013, 03:40:57 PM »

What are you getting at?

I'm saying that Trayvon comment Pot us made is just one more thing that further fragments our society.  Basically, I was agreeing with you but my sarcasm hit convolution level Grin
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2013, 03:51:12 PM »

I'm saying that Trayvon comment Pot us made is just one more thing that further fragments our society.  Basically, I was agreeing with you but my sarcasm hit convolution level Grin

My own opinion is that the Martin case involved police misconduct, as the facts say Zimmerman should have been charged.  I'd have to hope that's what Obama was getting at.
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2013, 04:41:27 PM »

Crazy if true. Our transformation to the Third Reich is almost complete. People won't revolt for now because we still have it somewhat good. To think it will always stay the same is silly.
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2013, 11:49:07 AM »

Are you a whiner or a doer?

People whine about wanting change, they even vote for it, ...but when it comes down to it, do they really?


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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2013, 04:19:09 PM »

Unreal.

I think it's time to start a revolution.



I'm all for a Revolution. This Government is just running rampant and without any concern whatsoever!
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2013, 07:59:53 PM »

Holy Cow - If you live in Florida, you are not protected by the Constitution

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 2013

Homeland Security Creates "Constitution-Free" Zones
By Seth Mason

The erosion of civil liberties in this country is scary, and it's a travesty that the MSM and even the conservative media (Rush, etc.) won't talk about it.

The latest development in 4th Amendment violations is the scariest I've heard yet. The Department of the Fatherland has approved a policy which states in no uncertain terms that electronic devices can be seized without a warrant within 100 miles of the border. The kicker? The "border", according to this policy, is any national barrier, political or physical. THIS INCLUDES BODIES OF WATER. So, that means that the United States has, in effect, "Constitution-free zones" stretching 100 miles inland from every coast and 100 miles from our northern and southern borders. Unbelievable! Wired has the story:

The Department of Homeland Security’s civil rights watchdog has concluded that travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized and the contents of those devices examined for any reason whatsoever — all in the name of national security.

The DHS, which secures the nation’s border, in 2009 announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its suspicionless search-and-seizure policy pertaining to electronic devices “within 120 days.” More than three years later, the DHS office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties published a two-page executive summary of its findings.

“We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said.

The memo highlights the friction between today’s reality that electronic devices have become virtual extensions of ourselves housing everything from e-mail to instant-message chats to photos and our papers and effects — juxtaposed against the government’s stated quest for national security.

The President George W. Bush administration first announced the suspicionless, electronics search rules in 2008. The President Barack Obama administration followed up with virtually the same rules a year later. Between 2008 and 2010, 6,500 persons had their electronic devices searched along the U.S. border, according to DHS data.

According to legal precedent, the Fourth Amendment — the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures — does not apply along the border. By the way, the government contends the Fourth-Amendment-Free Zone stretches 100 miles inland from the nation’s actual border.

Civil rights groups like the American Civil Liberties Union suggest that “reasonable suspicion” should be the rule, at a minimum, despite that being a lower standard than required by the Fourth Amendment.

“There should be a reasonable, articulate reason why the search of our electronic devices could lead to evidence of a crime,” Catherine Crump, an ACLU staff attorney, said in a telephone interview. “That’s a low threshold.”

The DHS watchdog’s conclusion isn’t surprising, as the DHS is taking that position in litigation in which the ACLU is challenging the suspicionless, electronic-device searches and seizures along the nation’s borders. But that conclusion nevertheless is alarming considering it came from the DHS civil rights watchdog, which maintains its mission is “promoting respect for civil rights and civil liberties.”

“This is a civil liberties watchdog office. If it is doing its job property, it is supposed to objectively evaluate. It has the power to recommend safeguards to safeguard Americans’ rights,” Crump said. “The office has not done that and the public has the right to know why.”
Toward that goal, the ACLU on Friday filed a Freedom of Information Act request demanding to see the full report that the executive summary discusses.

Meantime, a lawsuit the ACLU brought on the issue concerns a New York man whose laptop was seized along the Canadian border in 2010 and returned 11 days later after his attorney complained.

At an Amtrak inspection point, Pascal Abidor showed his U.S. passport to a federal agent. He was ordered to move to the cafe car, where they removed his laptop from his luggage and “ordered Mr. Abidor to enter his password,” according to the lawsuit.

Agents asked him about pictures they found on his laptop, which included Hamas and Hezbollah rallies. He explained that he was earning a doctoral degree at a Canadian university on the topic of the modern history of Shiites in Lebanon.

He was handcuffed and then jailed for three hours while the authorities looked through his computer while numerous agents questioned him, according to the suit, which is pending in New York federal court.




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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2013, 08:13:20 PM »

It's on the ACLU website.

http://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights-constitution-free-zone-map
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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2013, 08:14:36 PM »


Like i said - this is not a CT or fantasy - i read about this in a few spots 
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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2013, 12:16:38 AM »

These so-called "Constitution-Free" zones are designed for the overall safety of our nation and its populace.  The Authorities need full rights to search anyone in these zones at any time for the safety and protection of law enforcement officers and the civilian populace. 
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