Cormier and Wheeler 1999

[MORTALCOIL]

i think youre the one who needs a set of glases mate.

phil is much sharper than these 2.

look at lower back, hams and glutes.

oh and cut in arms.shoulders.

thought itd be obvious to everyone.

I'm not talking about Flex 99 but Flex 93. And the fact that Heath looks like he's wearing something like this doesn't seem to bother you. Even oily, Flex looked like he had some density. You can't judge conditioning without entering that parameter. Remember a guy named Dorian Yates?

[mesmorph78]

I'm not talking about Flex 99 but Flex 93. And the fact that Heath looks like he's wearing something like this doesn't seem to bother you. Even oily, Flex looked like he had some density. You can't judge conditioning without entering that parameter. Remember a guy named Dorian Yates?

 

..heath is mr o... at the moment...
but lets be real not even in the same league as cormier..
zero density, its just the arms that everone goes ga ga over.....
good muscle shape... but out of whack symmetry
very overatted IMO.. just a taller lee priest.... again priest outside off arms..... nada

kevin coleman cormier nasser dexter shawn ray...... etc...
better
kai is better too out of whack too but better

[Necrosis]

heath is in better shape then flex or chris have ever been. He also is very complete with an outstanding back.

I think nostalgia is getting the better of some people, in that clip for example both of them are smooth in the lower body.

[ChristopherA]

keepin mind ive said cormier has the best structure ever, and flex has the best muscle shape possible and the flow.

but by jdging criteria on bbuilding shows, phil would just destroy them

kevin surely was "wow" , but had flaws, his back sucked.

coleman would still be number 1 i agree.

nasser, the back spoiled it all.

dexter is close to perfect, i agree.

shawn ray?no

You just lost me on Ray. Fucking flawless, almost took down an absolute monster in Yates. No fucking way is that Michelin Man Health better than Shawn Ray

[Parker]

heath is in better shape then flex or chris have ever been. He also is very complete with an outstanding back.

I think nostalgia is getting the better of some people, in that clip for example both of them are smooth in the lower body.

the thing with Flex, is he won most of contests with his shape, which Phil cannot compete with. Sure he is conditioned, and that will carry him, but Flex in condition with his genetic shape, few could beat him when he was on.
But, Flex was spotty. If I had to pick who would come in shape and win a contest between the two, it would be Phil, but if Flex came in shape----everybody including Phil's wife, mother and stepdad would give it to Flex.

[Figo]

keepin mind ive said cormier has the best structure ever, and flex has the best muscle shape possible and the flow.

but by jdging criteria on bbuilding shows, phil would just destroy them

kevin surely was "wow" , but had flaws, his back sucked.

coleman would still be number 1 i agree.

nasser, the back spoiled it all.

dexter is close to perfect, i agree.

shawn ray?no

Yates?

[Figo]

the thing with Flex, is he won most of contests with his shape, which Phil cannot compete with. Sure he is conditioned, and that will carry him, but Flex in condition with his genetic shape, few could beat him when he was on.
But, Flex was spotty. If I had to pick who would come in shape and win a contest between the two, it would be Phil, but if Flex came in shape----everybody including Phil's wife, mother and stepdad would give it to Flex.

Basiacally a arnold classic/ironman version of Flex (at the O he wasn't as sharp) would smoke anyone today

[mesmorph78]

keepin mind ive said cormier has the best structure ever, and flex has the best muscle shape possible and the flow.

but by jdging criteria on bbuilding shows, phil would just destroy them

kevin surely was "wow" , but had flaws, his back sucked.

coleman would still be number 1 i agree.

nasser, the back spoiled it all.

dexter is close to perfect, i agree.

shawn ray?no

narrow and all arms
...chest not good at all
but im guessing if his arms were medicore your veiw would be different
cormier and flex have less weaknesses, i could care less on how peeled flex is
...
you guys need to get out of this arms arm arm mentality.. no density....
IMO he doesnt even make the top 15 best physiques of all time
not dexxter has great arms.... but also a pro chest...
look past the arms bro

[che]

narrow and all arms
..

 All arms

[trapz101]

[ChristopherA]

flex came in once in tiptop shape in his entire career, and very good another time but thats it.

phil comes shredded to be bones no matter what.

yeah ive heard it all, the marshmellow look.thats simply bc hes in better condition,seems fuller.

look at the skin, phil comes with no water retention and no fat anywhere.

compare them when they stand next to eachother.

man, when one athlete is softer than the other, the harder ones will destroy him on stage.

Now I agree Phil's conditioning is stellar especially from the back but he's got all the hardness of a marshmallow

[che]

BTW , Phil is not impressed

[Ronnie Rep]

Cormier was in one of his best shape ever at the '99 O. Should have topped oily Flex who was clearly over the hill. Flex '93 shits on any other version of Flex, he wasn't meant to carry more than 225 on his frame; but at that weight, he was one of the best ever. Ronnie was too much to be beaten but Cormier sure brought something different on the table that year. And for hose who think Heath's conditioning tops Cormier's or Flex's, time to buy a new set of eyes: blown up doll Heath looks like marshmallow compared to them.

Flex's best was 98 Arnold look at the pics! He was 228-230 aliced and diced! If he would have stepped on stage at the Olympia in that shape he probably would have beaten Ronnie! He was the favorite to take it that year, then Ronnie showed up in that condition and Flex didn't!

[mesmorph78]

BTW , Phil is not impressed

 
You can post all the amazing stand along black and white .. One magic shot out if 10,000 pictures you like that illusion doesn't trick my trained eyes... 

Mr o now yes
All time great... no never ... IMO

[Necrosis]

You can post all the amazing stand along black and white .. One magic shot out if 10,000 pictures you like that illusion doesn't trick my trained eyes... 

Mr o now yes
All time great... no never ... IMO

he would wipe the floor with cormier, just as dexter did and heath shits on him. Chris was good, he just never had any great shots per se. He could have came in, in much better shape. Look at phils hams in the RDB, diced beyond words, cormier would get anihilated from the back.

[Figo]

this depends, a yates with no teared up arms would beat phil, yes.

with biceps and triceps tear, he shouldnt even compete imo.

and yes, the arnold classic flex might be enough for phil.

but im shocked how severly ppl underestimate phil.

i know he looks unimpressive offseason, and not the widest guy out there, but damn
well yes, without the arms and shoulders, hed be nothing.

but same would apply to levrone.if you take away shoulders and arms from levrone, whats left?a back thats worse than phils and inferior legs to phils.

btw, flexs chest wasnt the biggest out there either, was lacking compared to the rest of him.

ive said i think flex looks better,more pleasing to the eyes, but hed lose vs phil 9 times out of 10.

Yates pre injury of course

Heath has a very good back and lower body, weak chest and narrow, and IMO arms overpower everything. I used to think Priest's arms bordered on "too big", but with Heath it overshadows the rest of his body. Maybe its a personal thing with me

Kai also has stupendous lower body and back, good chest, arms, delts, but they(kai & Heath) still can't match Yates size/conditioning combo

[OTHstrong]

lmao @ Phil all arms, ah NO.

He has the best hamstrings in all the entire bodybuilding.
Top 2 best back in all bodybuiling, only Kai has him.
Striated glutes
Best shape, next to DEX.
Comes in the most shredded.

So best back, best hams, best arms, most shredded, FAR FROM ONLY ARMS FAR FAR FAR from only arms.

Also deepest cuts.

[Figo]

and people somehow always overlook his shoulders, the muscle, not the sceletal widht.his shoulder mass is right there with levrones.right up there.
with epic arm insertions.

im no fan of phil at all, but what has to be said has to be said.

Yeah, the delts and arms are huge

But shoulders the size of human heads are not possible without seo. Both kai and phil are full of oil, which is a necessity in modern bbing
Personally I think of it as fake muscle, but it is what it is

[che]

true, but flex without oil would be lightweight nationals level.

but how does he get those deep cuts and all the way striated tris when thyere full of oil?

(phil)

Oil 

[mesmorph78]

this depends, a yates with no teared up arms would beat phil, yes.

with biceps and triceps tear, he shouldnt even compete imo.

and yes, the arnold classic flex might be enough for phil.

but im shocked how severly ppl underestimate phil.

i know he looks unimpressive offseason, and not the widest guy out there, but damn
well yes, without the arms and shoulders, hed be nothing.

but same would apply to levrone.if you take away shoulders and arms from levrone, whats left?a back thats worse than phils and inferior legs to phils.

btw, flexs chest wasnt the biggest out there either, was lacking compared to the rest of him.

ive said i think flex looks better,more pleasing to the eyes, but hed lose vs phil 9 times out of 10.

The point is this Phil isn't put together as we'll as levrone flex or Cormier
He is out of whack people just a Accept and embrace it because its his arms that throw him out of whack
If it was that his arms were less than his chest he wouldn't even make top 10
... It's a shallow way of thinking . Anyone who compares Phil to Shawn is nuts shown was complete and has a physique Phil is out of whack ... But again 90% of people have an arm fetish going on so that's all they see
Not me... He is not as complete as the guys from the 90's.

[che]

He is out of whack people

 

[che]

The point is this Phil isn't put together as we'll as Cormier

Hahaha

[Papper]

So? That front double bi isn't all that.

Also someone said Phil has the best hamstrings..  what about Kai Greene? Do people forget that Kai practically won Mr O 2012 but that the judges awarded it to Phil?

[Parker]

he would wipe the floor with cormier, just as dexter did and heath shits on him. Chris was good, he just never had any great shots per se. He could have came in, in much better shape. Look at phils hams in the RDB, diced beyond words, cormier would get anihilated from the back.

dex didn't wiped the floor with Cormier---the judges Arnold Classic) have a thing against Chris. He clearly was better than Jay the two times Jay beat him, and better than Dex. I think it stems from the Amho Hight situation or his drug/partying.

[ukjeff]

Whats that guy doing hanging around?