hgh question

[nickbronco]

Will hgh cause slight gyno to increase?

[DIVISION]

Will hgh cause slight gyno to increase?

No.

But the fatloss might cause existing gyno to be more noticeable.






DIV

[Blake]

From what I've been able to find, in a few cases HGH has caused pre-existing gynecomastia to worsen, mainly when high doses were taken.

Again from what I've seen it appears to be a very rare occurrence.  I wouldn't worry about it.

BTW, what dose are you taking/considering taking?

[DIVISION]

It absolutely can.

What dose are you taking/considering taking?

GH causing gyno??  

Speak on this, Blake.




DIV

[Arnold jr]

I've read that it can, but have my doubts about that... it's never happened to me, but I've never had gyno problems to begin with.

[nickbronco]

3 units a day.

[nickbronco]

I already have slight gyno and am worried about it increasing it. I am worried about gyno showing after competition diet and at show. I am starting my diet the second week of JAN. for a show in APRIL. Last year, I had done no gear and was sharp and dead-on my diet. Now that I have done two cycles this year, I am bigger (which I needed to be), but now have slight gyno eventhough I took clomid (first cycle) and even tried Nolva (second cycle). There was 12 weeks between my cycles. Last year weighed 197 off-season, contest weight last year 184. Looking back at pictures and video, I was tight but too light. I did get first in my area and 4th in my age class. I am 41, 6' 2". Now I am weighing 214 and planning on dieting down to 195 for light-heavyweight. Gyno showing is a little stressful even though an un-tested show. Got winny, paperturin, and waiting on my tren to arrive to get in prior to show in april. Doing CKD (cyclical ketosis diet) for dieting. Worked like a champ last year.

[Blake]

GH causing gyno?? 

Speak on this, Blake.




DIV

Hey Division, I just revised my post.  I got a little trigger happy with the response.  Sorry about that!

GH on it's own will not 'cause' gyno, but 'may' cause growth of existing breast tissue, the way it can cause growth of other bodily tissues.

Still though, it seems as if it's quite rare.

[nickbronco]

thanks for the responses. i knew you guys would know.

[mem]

No.

But the fatloss might cause existing gyno to be more noticeable.






DIV

A   F A C T !  (EG: make existing tissue more apparent)

I in fact kind of did NOT know how to write or address this.

I migrate my injection points - in the general belief that I see
specific results (fat loss) at these injection points. I most often
use my mid section, the place that we (men) are most likely to
store fat (the red wine, that I on occaision enjoy).

I started injecting around the pec and (carefully near) the nippple.
I stopped (using this area) because I started to see a funky pattern
not gyno but uneven loss or fat masses that eventually evened out.
I now believe that overall body fat has decreased . . .

FWIW, I am now using the *love handles*, that ARE hard to reach, but
I have reduced around the belly button and am afraid that there is
*not enough fat* to inject into . . .

Gyno with GH use - catagorically NO . . . . (not likely) my experience.

[deliciousmoth]

my buddy is going to run 4 iu's a day, 5 on , 2 off. is there a certain time you should take it? morning, evening, pre workout, post workout, 2 shots of 2 iu's?

comments....

[mem]

- - is there a certain time you should take it? - -
comments....

I would rather defer to da BIG GUY (DIV)
or perhap others with direct experience . . .

But - my experience has net great results

I have used (Serostim) for 5 years now
and mostly used in the day time. I routinely
train at night and figure that I am likely
to spike my natural GH with evening
training and think that I may be able
to realize multiple spikes.

Please . . .

[Blake]

my buddy is going to run 4 iu's a day, 5 on , 2 off. is there a certain time you should take it? morning, evening, pre workout, post workout, 2 shots of 2 iu's?

comments....

Most take either in the morning or at night before bed.  I've seen some speculation that it's more effective taken at night.  Whether or not you'd ever notice a difference (morning vs night) is debatable.  I'd just take it whenever it's most convenient.  For me, that's at night.

[Blake]

I looked over some literature this evening and it appears that GH most certainly can cause gynecomastia.

It seems as if there is a definite link between GH/IGF-1 and mammary glandular tissue growth, which has been seen across the spectrum from children to elderly patients treated with growth hormone.

I'm going to look into this some more tomorrow and see what I can find.

[DIVISION]

I looked over some literature this evening and it appears that GH most certainly can cause gynecomastia.

It seems as if there is a definite link between GH/IGF-1 and mammary glandular tissue growth, which has been seen across the spectrum from children to elderly patients treated with growth hormone.

I'm going to look into this some more tomorrow and see what I can find.

Regardless of what the medical literature says, I doubt the incidence is that high being that most don't complain of gyno from GH.  Perhaps they are blaming it on something else they are using in their stack?





DIV

[mem]

I agree - (more likely) a matter of omission. What facts are NOT being told that may skue results.

Think of this - elderly with a general decline of all hormones - [IE hormone imbalance(s)
with a raise in estrogen or very likely raise in tissue in question]. No disrespect to the elderly
intended, but the results associated to them SHOULD not be considered consistant with our
group . . . Even in my Serostim insert the contraindications associated to (AIDS patients,
which medication is prescribed to') these patients are NOT the best group from which
to drawn any valid conclusions that relate to BB community.

My experience IS that the leaflets or insert IS not always consistent, but are possibly side effects.

Blake, (I DO respect you) I am not challenging you. I do however question the validity of
material suppied with GH kits as we (the BB group) ARE NOT the intended user and have
many other factors at play . . . of course YMMV.

[Alison]

I looked over some literature this evening and it appears that GH most certainly can cause gynecomastia.

It seems as if there is a definite link between GH/IGF-1 and mammary glandular tissue growth, which has been seen across the spectrum from children to elderly patients treated with growth hormone.

I'm going to look into this some more tomorrow and see what I can find.

This is true about female children on GH therapy.  GH will in many cases produce larger mammory glands.  Not more mammory glands but large of what is there by genetics.

Im not familiar with what exactly gynocomastia is made up of... So unless it is growth of mammory gland GH will not make it worse.

[Blake]

This is true about female children on GH therapy.  GH will in many cases produce larger mammory glands.  Not more mammory glands but large of what is there by genetics.

Im not familiar with what exactly gynocomastia is made up of... So unless it is growth of mammory gland GH will not make it worse.

Gynecomastia is the growth of glandular tissue in men.

Believe me, I'm not trying to imply that if or when you start using GH, you're going to get gynecomastia, especially if you were running it alone.  And along those lines (basically what Division alluded to above), no bodybuilder runs GH alone anyway.  That being said, GH would be the absolute LAST thing you'd look to as a culprit if you developed gynecomastia during a cycle of both GH and AAS.

Is it 'possible' for GH to cause or worsen gynecomastia?  Yes.

Is it probable?  No.

[DIVISION]

Is it 'possible' for GH to cause or worsen gynecomastia?  Yes.

Is it probable?  No.

It's funny how everyone asks questions in absolutes, when in reality many times it's simply a grey area.

Everything is not black and white, it's never that easy......




DIV

[Blake]

It's funny how everyone asks questions in absolutes, when in reality many times it's simply a grey area.

Everything is not black and white, it's never that easy......




DIV

Very true, Division.