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« on: March 02, 2013, 08:42:26 AM »

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/03/01/popular-standard-shotgun-could-be-banned-under-proposed-bill

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2013, 08:43:08 AM »

DENVER (CBS4) – A popular hunting shotgun could be banned under one of the bills moving through the state Capitol.
 
A pump or semi-automatic shotgun is the gun most hunters in Colorado use. It’s a gun state Sen. Greg Brophy, R-Wray, says could be banned under a bill that’s already passed the House and Gov. John Hickenlooper says he’ll sign.
 
“They’re coming after the standard shotgun,” Brophy told CBS4 Political Specialist Shaun Boyd.



 
Brophy says if Democrats succeed in passing a bill limiting large capacity magazines in Colorado, they’ll outlaw the most popular selling firearm for hunting.
 
“Hundreds of thousands of pheasant hunters are probably going to be carrying around a gun they won’t be able to replace after July 1 this year,” he said.
 
Brophy points to a section of the bill that defines a high-capacity magazine as one capable of accepting or — that can be readily converted — to accept more than 15 rounds or eight shotgun shells.

 

“This is where shotgun shells go inside this tube here,” Brophy showed Boyd, “You can screw this part off the top and screw on an extender to this tube to allow it to hold more than eight rounds. It is readily convertible, which by definition in the bill, makes the whole thing a high-capacity magazine.”
 
Under the 1994 federal ban manufacturers redesigned the gun so the barrel couldn’t be extended. Brophy says it’s unlikely they’d do the same just for Colorado.
 
“I don’t know if anybody is going to make guns specifically for the five million people living in Colorado,” he said. “We just might not be able to legally purchase a pump shotgun or a semi-automatic shotgun.”
 
Or sell, transfer or even lend one.
 
“The law is specific as of July 1. You can keep it, but only if you maintain continuous possession of it,” Brophy said. “If it breaks, you can’t give to a gunsmith even to fix it. You can’t hand it to your son to use. It’s all now outlawed because of this 1224, the bill that Gov. Hickenlooper says he’s going to sign … this is most extreme thing anybody’s ever done related to firearms.”
 
Boyd asked Senate Democrats about Brophy’s concerns. They sent her a statement saying an amendment dealing with thats issue is currently being drafted and will be presented in a committee hearing Monday. What that amendment looks like and whether it passes remains to be seen.
 
Seven gun bills are up for hearings in the Senate on Monday.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2013, 08:57:24 AM »

What will be Biden's advice to women in Colorado?
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2013, 08:58:24 AM »

Where is Biden on this?
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2013, 09:00:06 AM »

So what are women going to blast through the door with now? 
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2013, 09:00:53 AM »

So what are women going to blast through the door with now?  

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2013, 09:02:13 AM »

So what are women going to blast through the door with now? 

Sandwich bags full of feces.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2013, 09:03:25 AM »

More laws with the sole purpose of making more people into criminals.

Money, money, money.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2013, 09:03:42 AM »

Sandwich bags full of feces.

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Every liberal communist scumbag in this country could be swallowed in a sinkhole and I would not give two shits about it at this point.  
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2013, 10:37:20 AM »




how the hell are they gonna kill varmints?!?!?!?!   Huh Huh
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2013, 10:40:48 AM »



how the hell are they gonna kill varmints?!?!?!?!   Huh Huh

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how the hell are they gonna kill varmints?!?!?!?!   Huh Huh
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2013, 10:46:13 AM »

6 iron with the shaft wrapped with black E tape as to not give away your position

Next the same mamby pamby liberal babies will scream about golf club control.

Magpul definately leaving Colorado if this happens.

Funny - according to the leftist crackpot ideaology - drugs should be legal - guns illegal 
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2013, 06:35:23 AM »


http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-control-bills-advance-colorado-senate-despite-protests


A package of gun control bills advanced in the Colorado Senate Monday despite the presence of a large number of gun rights supporters in and around the Capitol, Fox News reported.
 
All of the measures passed the Senate Judiciary Committee on a largely party-line vote, Twitchy said.
 
One of the bills heading to the Senate is an “assault weapons liability” bill that would make “assault weapons” manufacturers and retailers responsible for crimes committed with weapons they make or sell.
 
Other bills include a high-capacity magazine ban, a bill that would force gun purchasers to pay for background check fees, gun restrictions for domestic violence offenders and universal background checks.
 
"Colorado is the same state where lawmakers have proposed using ballpoint pens, rape whistles and safe zones as an alternative to people defending themselves with a gun. Additionally, the University of Colorado-Colorado Springs advised women to urinate and vomit on an attacker," Jason Howerton wrote at The Blaze.
 
In one hearing, rape survivor Amanda Collins recalled her attack and said that it could have been prevented had she been allowed to carry a gun on college.
 
But Democratic state Sen. Evie Hudak shot her argument down, claiming statistics were not on her side.
 
“You said that you were a martial arts student, I mean person, experienced in tae-kwon-do, and yet because this individual was so large, was able to overcome you even with your skills, and chances are that if you had had a gun, then he would have been able to get that from you and possibly use it against you," Hudak said.
 
Fox said that about 20 Colorado sheriffs stood in opposition to two of the measures -- the expanded background checks and the bill limiting magazine capacity -- calling them unenforceable.
 
Speaking out against the bill to limit magazine sizes, Pueblo Sheriff Kirk Taylor said it "just doesn't make any sense from our perspective."
 
Nevertheless, all of the bills passed through the committee and are scheduled to be debated on the Senate floor on Friday. According to Fox, some of the measures have a strong chance of passing the Democratic-controlled Senate.
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2013, 06:37:22 AM »

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good exercise too for the average fat americant varmint killer...
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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2013, 06:39:54 AM »

“You said that you were a martial arts student, I mean person, experienced in tae-kwon-do, and yet because this individual was so large, was able to overcome you even with your skills, and chances are that if you had had a gun, then he would have been able to get that from you and possibly use it against you," Hudak said.



Welcome to the demented leftist mind.  Liberal = communist
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2013, 06:41:58 AM »

rape survivor Amanda Collins recalled her attack and said that it could have been prevented had she been allowed to carry a gun on college.
 
But Democratic state Sen. Evie Hudak shot her argument down, claiming statistics were not on her side.
 
“You said that you were a martial arts student, I mean person, experienced in tae-kwon-do, and yet because this individual was so large, was able to overcome you even with your skills, and chances are that if you had had a gun, then he would have been able to get that from you and possibly use it against you," Hudak said.

I'd like to punch that c.unts teeth out.
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2013, 08:16:39 AM »

I'd like to punch that c.unts teeth out.

The war on women continues.

You shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun to defend yourself but the guy that's going to rape you sure will be!

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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2013, 11:17:01 AM »

i thought colorado was gun friendly?   vote the bums out!
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2013, 11:19:08 AM »

i thought colorado was gun friendly?   vote the bums out!

Too late - the communists are going to do what they want regardless. 

This is why I would NEVER EVEr vote for any democrat for anything anywhere at anytime.  They are like a herd and at the end fo the day the most extreme communists and radicals lead the way and the little chicken little liberal patsies fall in line. 
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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2013, 12:12:21 PM »

Too late - the communists are going to do what they want regardless. 

This is why I would NEVER EVEr vote for any democrat for anything anywhere at anytime.  They are like a herd and at the end fo the day the most extreme communists and radicals lead the way and the little chicken little liberal patsies fall in line. 

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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2013, 03:01:36 PM »

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Despite protests, 6 of 7 Democratic gun control bills clear Colo. Senate committees
 kdvr.com ^ | March 4, 2013 | Eli Stokols

Posted on Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:39:34 AM by Tailgunner Joe

DENVER — Democrats have now passed the first six of seven gun control measures being heard at the Capitol Monday, on a marathon day of Senate hearings that brought hundreds of people to the Capitol — all of them on party-line votes with Democrats in support and Republicans opposed.

Just after 9 p.m., lawmakers on the Senate Judiciary Committee approved a controversial proposal that would make assault weapons manufacturers and retailers liable for crimes.

“No one needs an assault rifle,” said the sponsor, Senate President John Morse, D-Colorado Springs. “Society pays the price when one of these weapons falls into the wrong hands.

“Someone made a profit letting these weapons onto our streets but they don’t’ ever have to absorb the cost for the damage they cause.”

One gun owner, who waited several hours to testify, put it bluntly, telling Morse that his bill “pisses [her] off”.

Meanwhile, a few moments later, the Senate State, Veterans and Military Affairs Committee, meeting one floor above, passed its third and final bill of the day, House Bill 1226, which seeks to ban concealed weapons on college campuses.

During the hearing, lawmakers heard from two women who were raped on college campuses and who argued against the ban, telling lawmakers that they might have been able to fight off their attackers were they carrying concealed weapons.

Sen. Evie Hudak, D-Westminster, told that witness, Amanda Collins, that statistics were “not in [her] favor”.

“Women are more likely to have those guns used against them,” Hudak said at the end of the hearing, clarifying a position that several conservative commentators took issue with as the hearing went on.

Tearing up, Sen. Angela Giron, D-Pueblo, who chairs the committee, acknowledged the difficulty of voting for the proposal after hearing emotional testimony from victims, but said that she’s promised her constituents she would.

High-capacity magazine ban passes

One of the most controversial proposals of the seven, House Bill 1224, which bans high-capacity magazines of 15 rounds or more, got the go-ahead from the Senate Judiciary Committee just before 6 p.m. as groans from the mostly opposed crowd filled the Old Supreme Court Chamber.

The legislation, which was amended so as not to ban shotguns and to exempt law enforcement officers, heads to the full Senate for a vote that’s likely to take place this Friday.

During the nearly four-hour hearing, relatives of those killed in mass shootings spoke passionately in support of the bill; and opponents, including a number of Colorado sheriffs were just as emotional.

The CEO of Magpul Industries, a manufacturer of high-capacity magazines based in Erie, reiterated the company’s threat to leave the state if the bill becomes law.

“Making products that are illegal here in Colorado is counter to our values,” said Richard Fitzpatrick, the founder and CEO of Magpul.

Lawmakers in the House, which has already approved the bill, added an amendment that would allow the company to continue making high-capacity magazines here for sales and use in other states.

And Dudley Brown, the executive director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, the state’s most strident gun rights group, was gaveled out of order by the committee chair after threatening to financially support whoever runs against Sen. Jessie Ulibarri, D-Adams County, who voted in favor of the ban.

Background check fees legislation passes

A few minutes earlier, House Bill 1228, which will require gun buyers to pay for their own background checks, cleared the Senate State, Veterans and Military Affairs Committee, which has been meeting simultaneously upstairs, on a 3-2 party-line vote.

The proposal, sponsored by Sen. Rollie Heath, D-Boulder, would make gun buyers pay a $10 or $12 fee for a Colorado Bureau of Investigation instant background check.

The Senate SVMA Committee is now set to begin debate on its final bill of the day, a concealed weapons ban on college campuses.

Meanwhile, the Senate Judiciary Committee is beginning to hear Senate Bill 196, perhaps the most controversial proposal of all, which would make assault weapons manufacturers and retailers liable for crimes.

“No one needs an assault rifle,” said the sponsor, Senate President John Morse. “Society pays the price when one of these weapons falls into the wrong hands.

“Someone made a profit letting these weapons onto our streets but they don’t’ ever have to absorb the cost for the damage they cause.”

Domestic violence gun restriction the first bill to pass Monday

Earlier in the day, legislation that would force convicted domestic violence offenders and anyone subject to a restraining order to relinquish their guns to law enforcement became the first of the seven Democratic gun control bills being heard Monday to get the go-ahead.

The Senate Judiciary Committee, after three hours of emotional and at times wrenching public testimony, passed Senate Bill 197 on a party-line, 3-2 vote and heads now to the Senate Appropriations Committee.

“This bill is more than a ‘feel-good’,” said Sen. Evie Hudak, the bill’s sponsor, in response to arguments from opponents. “I will feel good when fewer people die, when an abuser doesn’t have a gun to kill them.”

S.B. 197 was the first of four gun control measures scheduled to be heard by the five-member Judiciary Committee Monday.

Around 3 p.m., lawmakers upstairs on the Senate State, Veterans and Military Affairs voted to approve House Bill 1229, which will require universal background checks for all gun purchases and transfers, the first of three bills being considered by that panel.

Lawmakers amended the bill so that transfers between family members do not require a background check for the first 72 hours.

That vote was also 3-2 and right down party lines.

Huge crowd of mostly opponents flood the Capitol

Hundreds of people began filling the Capitol’s hallways and hearing rooms early Monday morning, waiting to testify on seven Democratic gun bills that are being heard by two, separate Senate committees.

Gun owners who oppose the various proposals, which include a ban on high-capacity magazines, universal background checks, and a measure to make assault weapons manufacturers and sellers criminally liable for crimes, flooded the Capitol, the sidewalks outside and even the air above, with a circling airplane trailing a sign pleading Gov. John Hickenlooper not to “take our guns.”

And since the hearings got underway, a persistent wail of honking horns and car alarms has been heard inside the hearing rooms, signaling the determination of some opponents, many frustrated at the limited time allowed for official testimony, to make their opposition heard.

Proponents of the bills also launched an intense public relations blitz, starting the day with a press conference featuring several victims of mass shootings: former space shuttle Commander Mark Kelly, the husband of former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords; Patricia Maisich, one of three people who tackled Giffords’ shooter as he was reloading; Tom Mauser, whose son, Daniel, was killed at Columbine; Dave Hoover, whose nephew, A.J. Boik, was one of 12 people killed last July inside Aurora’s Century 16 Theater; and Jane Dougherty, whose sister, Mary Sherlach, was killed at Sandy Hook School last December, along with 20 first-graders.

With seven bills being heard in two separate committees meeting at the same time, Senate Democrats have decided to limit testimony to three hours — 90 minutes per side — on all of the bills, all seven of which are expected to pass Monday on party-line votes.

Democrats hold 3-2 majorities on both the Senate Judiciary Committee, which is hearing four bills in the Old Supreme Court chamber, and the Senate State, Veterans and Miliary Affairs Committee, which is hearing three bills up on the Capitol’s third floor.

Mark Kelly testifies in support of universal background checks

Kelly testified in support of House Bill 1229, which will require background checks on all private gun sales, the first bill heard by the SVMA Committee Monday.

“We don’t come to the debate on gun violence as victims,” he said. “We offer our voices as Americans. We’re moderates. We’re both gun owners. And we take that right and the responsibilities that come with it very seriously.”

Kelly told the story of his wife’s shooting two Januarys ago, and of her difficult recovery; he noted that the alleged shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, bought his weapon after passing a background check, despite his mental health records already having disqualified him for military service and being kicked out of school.

“He should not have passed a background check,” Kelly said, when pressed on that point by Sen. Larry Crowder, R-Alamosa. “The Army knew he was a heavy drug user. His records should have been in the system. He should have failed a background check. But had that happened, he still would have had another option, to go down the street, get online, and buy a weapon.

“The breadth and complexity of gun violence is great. But that is not an excuse for inaction.”

Kelly compared having loopholes for background checks on private sales and, in many other states, at gun shows to having two different security lines at the airport.

“If there’s no security in one of the lines, which one do you think the terrorist will choose?” he said.

Sandy Hook victim’s sister also backs universal background checks

CBI Director Ron Sloan, Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates and Jane Dougherty, whose sister, Mary Sherlach, was the school pyschologist killed at Sandy Hook School last December, also testified in support of universal background checks.

“I hear that some think universal background checks is a burden. I’d like to speak directly to them,” said Dougherty, who lives in Littleton.

“A burden is hearing about a mass shooting in Connecticut, working with your family through the chaos to coinfirm it is your sister’s school; a burden is getting a call from your niece: ‘we lost her.’

“A burden is everything that comes after this horrific news, explaining a mass shooting to your 10 year old son.”

“A background check is not a burden. It will save lives,” Dougherty told the committee. “Maybe even your family’s.”

Dave Hoover, whose nephew A.J. Boik was killed inside the Aurora movie theater last July, also testified in support of universal background checks.

“I’m a Republican,” said Hoover, a detective. “Many men and women I work with want to see a difference made in the state. We want to see our Republican representatives do the right thing.

“It’s time for us to make a difference.”

Dougherty, Hoover and Tom Mauser, whose son, Daniel, was killed at Columbine, also testified later Monday in support of the high-capacity magazine ban.

Opponents begin testimony with murder victim’s daughter

The daughter of a murder victim of Gary Davis, the last man executed by the state of Colorado in 1997, was the first person to testify against universal background checks.

Krista said that she opposes all gun controls and believes that had her mother had a gun to defend herself she might be alive today.

“Background checks won’t stop the next Gary Davis,” Krista said. “They’ll just make my world less safe.”

A group of sheriffs, many from rural counties, spoke against background checks, with one representative, Sheriff John Cooke of Weld County, speaking as a group of supporing sheriffs, all in uniform, stood quietly behind him.

“It seems mostly like Denver metro area sheriffs who are supporting this,” Cooke said. “We know there are a lot of chiefs and line level police officers throughout the state who don’t support these bills.”
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