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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2013, 08:43:14 PM »

natty to trt is more of a difference than going from trt to 1000mg weekly.

even 1 test e ampoula weekly will show every natty how pointless natty training is in comparo.

but diet has to be fine.
another thing about that is, think one has to use high doses when young to benefit from that.couple small cycles wont grant those benfits i think.
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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2013, 08:44:24 PM »


another thing about that is, think one has to use high doses when young to benefit from that.couple small cycles wont grant those benfits i think.

Yeah I was going to ask you if maybe doses came into play, cause I've done small cycles and I don't see that benefit.
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« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2013, 08:53:00 PM »

must be something like 500mg-1gram test base weekly for years through with some other drugs added to it.

the only ones who got those benefits are all these "crazy" back then guys(and ofc, they had to diet properly somewhjat and grow, if they didnt grow, no benefot obviously).they go off training for years and still carry loads of mass,just fatter.

and i mean off training and diet, not just off drugs.

and typicaly, before age-lets say 25-is what ive observed.

theres this one guy in my gym, hes clean, guy is clearly bigger than me, and say 10% bodyfat.he used to be 260-270 at 8%.

Great info, I didn't know that.
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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2013, 09:00:20 AM »

Spoken like a true drug user.
it's true, a natural bodybuilders looks worse than most lean people who play general sports

because natural bodybuilding builds an oddly proportioned body
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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2013, 11:14:10 AM »



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« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2013, 11:16:08 AM »



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since it's ultra concentrated you can get swole
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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2013, 11:24:47 AM »

Oh yeah great stack Grin

Seriously, I think since I quit steroids (nearly 7 yrs) the only real gains I can naturally keep was the extra 10-15 lbs of muscle from the first test cycle. My shoulders are still capped though unlike alot of nattys
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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2013, 11:27:21 AM »

Oh yeah great stack Grin

Seriously, I think since I quit steroids (nearly 7 yrs) the only real gains I can naturally keep was the extra 10-15 lbs of muscle from the first test cycle. My shoulders are still capped though unlike alot of nattys

I heard you can only cap delts from steroids. true? cuz ppl say it's a tell tale sign of ped use
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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2013, 11:36:06 AM »

i trained like a maniac for years

it just doesnt work lol

i used to set alarm and have 2 protein shakes during the night Roll Eyes
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« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2013, 11:48:23 AM »

I remember reading a post where someone recommended the following substitutes:
Vanadyl Sulfate instead of slin
HMB instead of Decca
Creatine instead of HGH
Tribulus instead of test

The poster said with this stack you could acheve maybe 80% of what Dorian did.
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« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2013, 12:12:32 PM »

well I built 16 inch arms and 45 inch chest(to a 29 inch waist) at 8-10 %Bf and 5'10 height if that counts for anything.
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« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2013, 01:02:02 PM »

well I built 16 inch arms and 45 inch chest(to a 29 inch waist) at 8-10 %Bf and 5'10 height if that counts for anything.
natural?

genetic of the gods or delusional
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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2013, 01:04:28 PM »

what's the average for arms on a 5'10 natty?
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2013, 01:05:27 PM »

what's the average for arms on a 5'10 natty?
i'd say 15.75" max
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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2013, 01:08:21 PM »

it's true, a natural bodybuilders looks worse than most lean people who play general sports

because natural bodybuilding builds an oddly proportioned body

Perhaps one of the dumbest things I have ever read on here.
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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2013, 01:09:06 PM »

Perhaps one of the dumbest things I have ever read on here.
look at that "matt" moderator guy from some big bodybuilding board

typical shit physique caused by natural bb
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« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2013, 01:33:27 PM »

the best alternative to steroids is to stay away from the gym and enjoy a different hobby.

a tennis player will have a better physique than 99.99% of naturals who try to gain muscle.or lose fat.

i hope this clears up some confusion
totally agree.  Boxers and wrestlers etc who train hard have better physiques than natural guys who only do  isolation movements and have no athleticism at all.  Being a natural,for so long I gained better w diff activities that were also useful  now that im on trt with cycles my bodybuilding training is so much better and finally see what I always wanted as far as the look of the muscles and only on moderate doses
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« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2013, 01:43:28 PM »

natural?

genetic of the gods or delusional

yes natural and I have been lifting for 8 years now. I have a feeling my arms will never be bigger than 16 so Iam just maintaining. My routine is basically 3 days a week lifting 1 hour each since 2 years now. Sometimes I feel pretty good about myself and my achievements but with all the natural liars out there it is hard to really grasp it.

Thats what I achieved(keep in mind I have small joints; 6.75 inch wrists and very small 8.25 inch ankles)

5'10
around 8-10%Bf
182 pounds
16 arms
45 chest
29 waist(when cutting)
23.25 quads
15.25 calves

I feel like Iam maxed out. Didnt make any progress since 2 years now. No strength gains, no muscle gains.
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« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2013, 01:46:44 PM »

i think that's creazy good to have 16" lean arms naturlly at that height

i think my max arm was 15.75" lean at like 5'11" or 6' i dont know my height

but it was absolutely infucking possible to make them 16"


my wrists are 7"

wrist size could be proportional, what's your wrist size
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« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2013, 01:52:01 PM »

i think that's creazy good to have 16" lean arms naturlly at that height

i think my max arm was 15.75" lean at like 5'11" or 6' i dont know my height

but it was absolutely infucking possible to make them 16"


my wrists are 7"

wrist size could be proportional, what's your wrist size

my wrists are 6.75 - 7" and height would be more like 5'10 - 5'11. Something in between.

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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2013, 02:13:28 PM »

boxers and wrestlers who look good are on peds


i've seen enough natural hard training boxers and wrestlers to know they arent mean to look good
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« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2013, 02:16:06 PM »

so is TRT better than being natural? cuz the levels are like 700mg/week or whatever you are on.
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« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2013, 02:20:40 PM »

so is TRT better than being natural? cuz the levels are like 700mg/week or whatever you are on.
supposedly 250mg of test injection per week equals double of your natural test

so...
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« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2013, 02:22:15 PM »

supposedly 250mg of test injection per week equals double of your natural test

so...

interesting.......

I shall report back with gains
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« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2013, 02:23:45 PM »

i know you are just joking but...

it baffles me how natural will be convinced that trying "bulking up" and then "cutting down" to reveal their "hard earned muscle" is a good idea

for years people tried to convince me this was the way to do it

i didnt want to get fat so i said fuck it it's better to stay small and lean than small and fat

Then, you can stop boo-hooing about not being able to put on any more size.
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