Lindsey Graham and McCain attack Rand Paul over Filibuster.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-drones-filibuster-lindsey-graham-chart-2013-3


F both of these RINO turds.  ]

[Soul Crusher]

Why do you want the government to have the power to kill you or your family without a trial or even charges presented to a court? What part of the Constitution (that, by the way, we ALL are supposed to agree to abide by to even be considered an American) don't you agree with? Without due process you for all intents and purposes have an authoritarian government. If they have the power to arbitrarily take your life why does ANYTHING else matter? People have fought and died for our freedoms and you want to treat then as so much used toilet paper to be casually tossed aside without even a whimper. If you don't understand why liberty and justice are vital to a democratic republic you should not even be allowed to be a citizen of this country!

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-drones-filibuster-lindsey-graham-chart-2013-3#ixzz2Msf4h0mM

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Number of people killed by an Iranian nuclear bomb: 0

Therefore worrying about such a thing is ridiculous and immature.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-drones-filibuster-lindsey-graham-chart-2013-3#ixzz2MsfmG7J4



 

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IT'S WAR: John McCain And Lindsey Graham Just Ripped Into Rand Paul On The Senate Floor
 


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Courtesy of CSPAN
 
U.S. Sen. John McCain blasted fellow Republican Rand Paul on the Senate floor this morning for his 13-hour filibuster to block John Brennan's confirmation as CIA Director.
 
"Calm down, Senator," McCain said, in an apostrophe to Paul. "The U.S. government cannot randomly target U.S. citizens."
 
In his filibuster Wednesday, Paul criticized the White House over its drone policies, and for refusing to rule out military strikes against U.S. citizens on American soil.
 
McCain, a staunch foreign policy hawk, said Thursday that Paul's warnings that the U.S. could target "Jane Fonda" or "people in cafes" bring the debate into the "realm of the ridiculous."
 
"If Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids," McCain said, adding: "I don't think what happened yesterday is helpful to the American people."
 
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) echoed these criticisms, adding that he was "disappointed" in the 13 Republican Senators who supported Paul's filibuster last night.
 
Graham later told reporters that he will vote to confirm Brennan as a result of the filibuster.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mccain-slams-rand-paul-filibuster-2013-3#ixzz2MsglcAxZ





Gramm and McCain also supported the NDAA too remember? 

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/07/lindsey-graham-john-brennan_n_2829348.html?ref=topbar


Unreal.   This is the bullshit we have in Govt. 

[Straw Man]

IT'S WAR: John McCain And Lindsey Graham Just Ripped Into Rand Paul On The Senate Floor
 
Courtesy of CSPAN
 
U.S. Sen. John McCain blasted fellow Republican Rand Paul on the Senate floor this morning for his 13-hour filibuster to block John Brennan's confirmation as CIA Director.
 
"Calm down, Senator," McCain said, in an apostrophe to Paul. "The U.S. government cannot randomly target U.S. citizens."
 
In his filibuster Wednesday, Paul criticized the White House over its drone policies, and for refusing to rule out military strikes against U.S. citizens on American soil.
 
McCain, a staunch foreign policy hawk, said Thursday that Paul's warnings that the U.S. could target "Jane Fonda" or "people in cafes" bring the debate into the "realm of the ridiculous."
 
"If Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids," McCain said, adding: "I don't think what happened yesterday is helpful to the American people."
 
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) echoed these criticisms, adding that he was "disappointed" in the 13 Republican Senators who supported Paul's filibuster last night.
 
Graham later told reporters that he will vote to confirm Brennan as a result of the filibuster.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mccain-slams-rand-paul-filibuster-2013-3#ixzz2MsglcAxZ





Gramm and McCain also supported the NDAA too remember? 

pay attention 333 - McCain is talking about you

yes, RP is making ridiculous statements and yes, there are plenty of libertarian dopes who will buy it hook like and sinker without taking half a second to give it any thought

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McCain is an idiot as well as anyone else who isn't troubled by Holder's memo.

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McCain is an idiot as well as anyone else who isn't troubled by Holder's memo.

Liberals all need a drone up their ass to wake them up to this insanity.   The only reason they support it is because its their messiah doing it. 

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Liberals all need a drone up their ass to wake them up to this insanity.   The only reason they support it is because its their messiah doing it. 

Exactly.  If it were Bush they would thru the roof by now.

[whork]

Liberals all need a drone up their ass to wake them up to this insanity.   The only reason they support it is because its their messiah doing it. 

Hard to disagree here.

[Jack T. Cross]

yes, RP is making ridiculous statements and yes, there are plenty of libertarian dopes who will buy it hook like and sinker without taking half a second to give it any thought

What, specifically, Straw?

[Straw Man]

What, specifically, Straw?

 

U.S. could target "Jane Fonda" or "people in cafes"

it's pretty clear that Holder/Obama are talking about people engaged in act of terror on US soil and not Jane Fonda (wtf kind of reference is that in 2013) or "people in cafes"

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it's pretty clear that Holder/Obama are talking about people engaged in act of terror on US soil and not Jane Fonda (wtf kind of reference is that in 2013) or "people in cafes"

Bullshit - was Alaki's 16's son engaged in combat who was killed in a seperate strike than the father? 

[Straw Man]

Bullshit - was Alaki's 16's son engaged in combat who was killed in a seperate strike than the father?  

was he killed on US soil

Don't forget he was killed along with 8 other people

feel free to post all the evidence that all those people were totally innocent and that the son specifically targeted and willfully murdered for no reason at all

[Soul Crusher]

was he killed on US soil

Don't forget he was killed along with 8 other people

feel free to post all the evidence that all those people were totally innocent and that the son specifically targeted and willfully murdered for no reason at all

The argument that Obama Admn has been advancing is that the world is a battlefield and they determine who is an enemy combatant is w no oversite and that imminence does not even matter.  This is why this has become an issue. 

[Straw Man]

The argument that Obama Admn has been advancing is that the world is a battlefield and they determine who is an enemy combatant is w no oversite and that imminence does not even matter.  This is why this has become an issue. 

in other words you have no response to my questions and apparently love to make apologies for terrorists

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in other words you have no response to my questions and apparently love to make apologies for terrorists

LOL 4000 people have been killed in drone strikes so far - you think all have been terrorists and not one has been in error?

Face it - your Nobel Peace Prize Messiah is nothing but a murderer. 

[Straw Man]

LOL 4000 people have been killed in drone strikes so far - you think all have been terrorists and not one has been in error?

Face it - your Nobel Peace Prize Messiah is nothing but a murderer. 

of course not

no doubt some have not been terrorist

since when did you start to YOU GIVE A SHIT ?

Aren't you the guy who has wished for mass murder of his own fellow citizens on many different occasions ?

STFU

[Jack T. Cross]

feel free to post all the evidence that all those people were totally innocent and that the son specifically targeted and willfully murdered for no reason at all

Straw, it's all about evidence, bro.  That's the point.

[Roger Bacon]

in other words you have no response to my questions and apparently love to make apologies for terrorists

So why is it so hard for the Obama admin to say that non combatant Americans won't be killed by drones on US soil?

[Jack T. Cross]

Yeah, the Jane Fonda quip was weird.  I'd like to hear his explanation.  Maybe he wanted to stir up memories of Jane Fonda protesting Vietnam, or something.

[blacken700]

Attorney General Eric Holder has responded to questions on the President’s authority to use drone strikes on U.S. soil in response to concerns about an overreach against civil liberties.
 
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney on Thursday announced that Holder had written to Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) to clarify the administration’s stance on the use of armed drones to kill U.S. citizens on American soil. In the letter, Holder acceded to Paul’s request that he place in writing of what he told the Senate Judiciary Committee in a meeting before the panel on Wednesday, that a drone strike against an American citizen who is not an imminent threat would be unconstitutional:


CARNEY: Does the president have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil? The answer is no. The answer to that question is no.
 
Paul spent the majority of Wednesday filibustering John Brennan’s nomination as CIA Director to obtain Holder’s answer. A previous letter sent from Holder to Paul had not done enough to clarify the administration’s stance in Paul’s eyes.
 
Holder’s response to Paul was direct and to the point:
 

Dear Senator Paul:

It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: “Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?” The answer to that question is no.

Sincerely,
 
Eric H. Holder, Jr.
 
Fox News’ Megyn Kelly read Holder’s letter to Sen. Paul on-air, as the Senator had yet to receive it. “Hooray,” Paul responded. “For 13 hours yesterday we asked him that question and so there is a result and a victory under duress, and under public humiliation, the White House will respond and do the right thing.” He then told CNN’s Dana Bash that he was “happy” with the answer and would be dropping his hold on Brennan’s nomination.

[Straw Man]

So why is it so hard for the Obama admin to say that non combatant Americans won't be killed by drones on US soil?

you mean like this

The U.S. government cannot target an American citizen who is not engaged in combat on American soil, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Thursday during his daily press briefing

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) had on Thursday asked the administration if the president has the authority to use a mechanized drone against an American on U.S. soil who is not engaged in hostile activities. "The answer to that question is no," Carney said, reading from a new a letter from Attorney General Eric Holder addressed to Paul.

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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/carney-affirms-limits-to-governments-authority-to-use

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What is "combat"?   

[Jack T. Cross]

To be fair, I'd love to have quotes from some of the guys who are now on this board, to reveal what they said about the GWB lurch toward fascism, and stolen power.