I need answers! Its about the military and Obama.

[King Shizzo]

I have a friend(field medic) who has recently said, that the army told her that she will no longer receive money for college. She went on to state that this was one of the main reasons she joined. What have you guys heard? Has the army lied to it's recruits?

[El Diablo Blanco]

I have a friend(field medic) who has recently said, that the army told her that she will no longer receive money for college. She went on to state that this was one of the main reasons she joined. What have you guys heard? Has the army lied to it's recruits?

All lies.

[King Shizzo]

Let me say that I have no dog in this fight. Soldiers get paid a salary for they're efforts. It is only logical that the government would look to cut things like signing bonuses and tuition money. I'm not saying its right.

[Soul Crusher]

I have a friend(field medic) who has recently said, that the army told her that she will no longer receive money for college. She went on to state that this was one of the main reasons she joined. What have you guys heard? Has the army lied to it's recruits?

True story. 

But dont worry - Obama is still going to smoke crack, pot, chooms and his thug wife has Adele and Beyonce in the WH 

[King Shizzo]

True story. 

But dont worry - Obama is still going to smoke crack, pot, chooms and his thug wife has Adele and Beyonce in the WH 

Obama has done some moronic things while in office. His lavish vacations (paid for with tax dollars) are pathetic.

[Wiggs]

The only thing has stopped because of the sequester is the tuition assistance. She still has her post 9/11 G.I. Bill. Any classes she wants to take while she's in, she'll have to pay for until the sequester is over, assuming it's reinstated.

[King Shizzo]

The only thing has stopped because of the sequester is the tuition assistance. She still has her post 9/11 G.I. Bill. Any classes she wants to take while she's in, she'll have to pay for until the sequester is over, assuming it's reinstated.

Only! The goverment should keep it's promises. If they are going to change things, then they need to do it to new recruits. Don't fuck over the people that you promised certain benefits to.

[El Diablo Blanco]

The GI bill never gets touched.  They get a certain amount for tuition reimbursement each year.  The military GI bill is why shit schools like University of Phoenix online make billions a year.  Ever notice how their tuition is 100% inline with the GI bill?

[Wiggs]

Only! The goverment should keep it's promises. If they are going to change things, then they need to do it to new recruits. Don't fuck over the people that you promised certain benefits to.

Yeah, yeah, we can all whine about it but this is what happens when shit gets cut everything is affected. This goes for military also. Embrace the suck. At least she still has the G.I. Bill, that's the important one.

[King Shizzo]

Yeah, yeah, we can all whine about it but this is what happens when shit gets cut everything is affected. This goes for military also. Embrace the suck. At least she still has the G.I. Bill, that's the important one.

Thats bullshit. What is the purpose of a contract, if the more powerful party can re-wigg (pun intended) at any time?

[Wiggs]

wiggs, you been inthe military, why dont you take advantage of having chance to join a uni?girls, better education than what you get on youtube and later on career opurtunities, sounds good no?

seriously.

youre not running for the plympia throne anytime soon.

what's a uni? I have a bacherlors already and Masters courses. I still have 2 years left of the G.I. because most of the time I took courses while I was in with the tuition assistance.  Only thing I'm interested in is a career opp at this point.

[Red Hook]

The military is 1/4 of the overall budget (700 billion) ..greater than the next 7 highest spending countries combined. Any cuts in anything and people complain, yet they also complain that we are spending too much.  "We need cuts as long as it doesn't affect me or the people that I know"

[Wiggs]

Thats bullshit. What is the purpose of a contract, if the more powerful party can re-wigg (pun intended) at any time?

Dude this is nothing new. They initiate "Stop Loss" (Meaning if your contract is up, you're still not getting out till they say) when these fake ass wars kicked off, where's that in the contract? lol

[Soul Crusher]

 

[King Shizzo]

what's a uni? I have a bacherlors already and Masters courses. I still have 2 years left of the G.I. because most of the time I took courses while I was in with the tuition assistance.  Only thing I'm interested in is a career opp at this point.

Ok, but you got your promised benefits correct? What is the benefit of joining today's military?  It is now proven that they can take anything they want from you.

[Red Hook]

c'mon, you are smarter than that. The budgets are allocated and voted on by the congress and the President signs off on it.  The foreign aid budget is the foreign aid budget. 

stop your shenanigans

[Hulkotron]

Give me ten names.

[syntaxmachine]

How dare we expect these betrodden souls to fund their own educational attainment while on active duty?

Now they only receive free housing, free food and clothing, free healthcare for themselves and their families, free matching contributions for their retirement accounts, discounted life insurance, significant tax benefits, almost the same total compensation as many comparable jobs in the private sector ('comparable' to what persons with similar educational attainment and experience are making in the private sector, to be exact), significant prestige and an invaluable resume item easily parlayable into future employment, and a maximum of at least $45.5K towards further education as a result of the post-9/11 GI Bill (36 months of benefits at $17.5K per year for tuition, $1k per year for books + an indeterminately large housing stipend which varies based on zip code).

Only! The goverment should keep it's promises. If they are going to change things, then they need to do it to new recruits. Don't fuck over the people that you promised certain benefits to.

Since the military is an AVF, there is some onus on those who agree to join to understand what they are and are not entitled to. Ask your friend to point to the part of the contract she signed indicating that the military is obligated to provide her tuition assistance.

Even if there is such a clause, the onus is on your friend to determine the status of military contracts, viz., their susceptibility to revisal. I'm not in the military and it took me 20 seconds to type into my fancy computer internet device-a-majig "sample military contract," which in turn generated a series of websites. Several of them describe the clause of the contract which states:

"Laws and regulations that govern military personnel may change without notice to me. Such changes may affect my status, pay allowances, benefits and responsibilities as a member of the Armed Forces REGARDLESS of the provisions of this enlistment/re-enlistment document.”

Thus, virtually all elements of the contract are subject to revisal as the military deems appropriate. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in expecting people who agree in principle to kill purported enemies of the USG in far away lands of tangential or dubious relevance to the citizenry's security to understand the nature of their contracts. Tell your friend of this so that she might be better informed in the future -- she sounds embarrassingly naive.

[King Shizzo]

How dare we expect these betrodden souls to fund their own educational attainment while on active duty?

Now they only receive free housing, free food and clothing, free healthcare for themselves and their families, free matching contributions for their retirement accounts, discounted life insurance, significant tax benefits, almost the same total compensation as many comparable jobs in the private sector ('comparable' to what persons with similar educational attainment and experience are making in the private sector, to be exact), significant prestige and an invaluable resume item easily parlayable into future employment, and a maximum of at least $45.5K towards further education as a result of the post-9/11 GI Bill (36 months of benefits at $17.5K per year for tuition, $1k per year for books + an indeterminately large housing stipend which varies based on zip code).

Since the military is an AVF, there is some onus on those who agree to join to understand what they are and are not entitled to. Ask your friend to point to the part of the contract she signed indicating that the military is obligated to provide her tuition assistance.

Even if there is such a clause, the onus is on your friend to determine the status of military contracts, viz., their susceptibility to revisal. I'm not in the military and it took me 20 seconds to type into my fancy computer internet device-a-majig "sample military contract," which in turn generated a series of websites. Several of them describe the clause of the contract which states:

"Laws and regulations that govern military personnel may change without notice to me. Such changes may affect my status, pay allowances, benefits and responsibilities as a member of the Armed Forces REGARDLESS of the provisions of this enlistment/re-enlistment document.”

Thus, virtually all elements of the contract are subject to revisal as the military deems appropriate. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in expecting people who agree to potentially enter warzones and institute our will on other people around the world ought to take approximately 60 seconds to understand the nature of their contracts. Tell your friend of this so that she might be better informed in the future.

I agree there are clauses that gives the government an out.  But why would you knowingly deceive someone? The government is fucking people over, as many governments have fucked soldiers for thousands of years.

[El Diablo Blanco]

What about the $5 billion plus free weapons given to Israel?

[Soul Crusher]

What about the $5 billion plus free weapons given to Israel?

Cut that too.  No one deserves our $$$$  - no to morsi, no to the jews, no to obamaphone lady, no no no.