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Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« on: March 17, 2013, 09:37:55 PM »
Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression

So, this is going to be a very sour reading of what has happened in Cyprus this weekend. It will also be a very partisan one, possibly even a partial one. But if Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz were right in their insistence that it was actually the Federal Reserve that caused the Great Depression (which is something that Ben Bernanke himself has insisted that the Fed will not repeat) then one way of interpreting what has happened is that the European Central Bank has just set us all up for another Depression. The trigger is that “tax” of a little over 6% on all depositors.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/03/17/cyprus-bailout-welcome-to-another-great-depression/

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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2013, 09:52:23 PM »
Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression

So, this is going to be a very sour reading of what has happened in Cyprus this weekend. It will also be a very partisan one, possibly even a partial one. But if Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz were right in their insistence that it was actually the Federal Reserve that caused the Great Depression (which is something that Ben Bernanke himself has insisted that the Fed will not repeat) then one way of interpreting what has happened is that the European Central Bank has just set us all up for another Depression. The trigger is that “tax” of a little over 6% on all depositors.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/03/17/cyprus-bailout-welcome-to-another-great-depression/

It's only 6.75% for the lucky ones. For others... we're talking 9.9%... but run along... nothing to see here.
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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2013, 11:59:04 PM »
The great EU bank robbery:
British taxpayers to bail out victims of outrageous raid


  • British Government will reimburse military victims of EU's Cyprus cash grab
  • But 60,000 other Britons still face losing money after bail out
  • Chaos as banks empty cashpoints and ban online transfers
  • Bank tax could have repercussions across Eurozone and beyond

UK taxpayers will have to compensate thousands of Britons hit by a shock raid on bank accounts in Cyprus.
The debt-stricken island, which is home to around 3,000 British military personnel and civil servants, is being given an £8.7billion EU rescue package.

But – in a move condemned as ‘robbery’ – Germany says it will not fund the emergency deal unless every saver with a deposit account contributes via a bank tax.

Account holders will lose 9.9 per cent of all deposits over 100,000 euros (£85,000), with a 6.75 per cent levy on smaller amounts.

George Osborne said last night the Treasury will help out military staff and officials. But it is thought 60,000 other Britons, including holiday homeowners and expats, will lose out.

They are thought to have about £1.7billion in Cyprus’s banks – exposing them to a potential levy of at least £115million – or an average of £1,900 each.

In yet another eurozone crisis:
  • Cypriot banks banned online transfers and emptied cashpoints to stop withdrawals;
  • The levy could be automatically taken from accounts as early as Wednesday;
  • British tourists were told to ensure they had multiple sources of money;
  • The chief minister of the euro area refused to rule out similar levies elsewhere;
  • Analysts said the raid could fall foul of the European Convention on Human Rights;
  • Traders are braced for turbulence on international stock markets today.

In response to cries of outrage, Cypriot president Nicos Anastasiades was last night trying to amend the bailout tax to limit the pain for small depositors.

But Angela Merkel insisted it was right that all depositors in Cypriot banks should share the responsibility of bailing out the state.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294971/The-great-EU-bank-robbery-British-taxpayers-bail-victims-outrageous-raid.html
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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 12:02:52 AM »
In Other Global Currency Trends....   :D

SHOCK, ANGER, & FEAR:
HERE’S THE INTERNATIONAL REACTION TO CYPRUS’ SHOCK TAX ON BANK DEPOSITS


Mar. 17, 2013 9:55pm Erica Ritz


People withdraw money from a cash-point machine in the Cypriot capital Nicosia
on March 17, 2013. (Photo: AFP/Getty Images)


The world was stunned on Saturday when Cyprus announced that it planned to levy a harsh one-time tax on bank deposits as part of a bailout agreement with its European partners and the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

Nervous depositors rushed to ATM machines to drain their accounts only to find that the banks had already sealed off either 6.75% or 9.9%, depending on whether they had more or less than €100,000 in the account.

The Cypriot bailout follows those for Greece, Portugal, Ireland and the Spanish banking sector, but it’s the first that dips into people’s savings to finance a bailout. Analysts worry the move could roil international markets and jeopardize Europe’s fragile economies.

Reuters reports that lawmakers are working to soften the blow for those with less money in the bank, changing the rates from 6.75 percent and 9.9 percent to 3.0 percent and 12.5 percent, respectively.

But regardless of whether they succeed, the move to tax private deposits has sparked controversy around the world:

Read more here: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/17/shock-anger-fear-heres-the-international-reaction-to-cyprus-shock-tax-on-bank-deposits/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=Share+Buttons

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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 01:19:40 AM »
In Other Global Currency Trends ....  :D


Ann Barnhardt was the woman who closed down her commodities brokerage firm, and returned all money to her clients citing irreparable irregularities in the markets.

I posted this warning last summer when Ann Barnhardt first issued it. For some odd reason, I can't seem to find it... it's gone MIA, but the devastation felt by Cypriot bank customers will imo be coming to America soon...

I strongly encourage you all to view this entire clip. laws are already on the books to facilitate a similar theft in the USA as occurred this past weekend in Cyprus.

Ann Barnhardt - A Matter Of Record

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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2013, 01:42:36 AM »
Too complicated for the "useful idiots."

In Other Global Currency Trends ....  :D


Ann Barnhardt was the woman who closed down her commodities brokerage firm, and returned all money to her clients citing irreparable irregularities in the markets.

I posted this warning last summer when Ann Barnhardt first issued it. For some odd reason, I can't seem to find it... it's gone MIA, but the devastation felt by Cypriot bank customers will imo be coming to America soon...

I strongly encourage you all to view this entire clip. laws are already on the books to facilitate a similar theft in the USA as occurred this past weekend in Cyprus.

Ann Barnhardt - A Matter Of Record



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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2013, 04:32:17 AM »
If its a one time tax, why pull the money out? I'm sure they'll get it somehow anyway. Why do the British have anything to do with it, they aren't in the EU?

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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2013, 05:10:08 AM »
If its a one time tax, why pull the money out? I'm sure they'll get it somehow anyway. Why do the British have anything to do with it, they aren't in the EU?

It being a "one time tax" is completely besides the point. It's a dangerous precedent.
The money does NOT belong to the government, it belongs to the savers, and no one should be able to take it and do what they want with it without the owners knowledge & consent. Besides, do you really trust it will be repaid?

It's especially egregious because they made the decision to do it Friday night, to take effect Tuesday, ...knowing Monday was a bank holiday and banks would be closed. Were it not for social media, depositors would never have known this was even occurring. Furthermore, it breaks the promise that all depositors money is protected.

The same garbage is fed to Americans via the FDIC mechanism, however in the USA deposits are backed by "the full faith & credit of the USA"  lolololz No one has any faith left in the USA, and they sure don't have anymore credit.

As for the British, British taxpayers will be on the hook to compensate Brits who had their money stolen from Cypriot banks.

This is precisely why I don't save in cash or trust the banking system... among other reasons.

This is seriously messed up. It's bad enough that people who did the right thing are being penalized by ridiculously low interest rates (essentially having their money confiscated via inflation, ...now they're not even disguising the theft, they're just outright taking it.
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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2013, 05:12:58 AM »
Is any money safe except gold kept outside the corrupt and busted banking system?

Submitted by cpowell on 06:28PM ET Sunday, March 17, 2013. Section: Daily Dispatches
Cyprus Works on Tax Levy Deal to Get Bailout Approved

By Michele Kambas
Reuters
Sunday, March 17, 2013

NICOSIA, Cyprus -- Cyprus' government was working on a proposal to soften the blow of a bank deposit levy on smaller savers ahead of a parliament vote on Monday on the measure central to a euro-zone bailout designed to avert bankruptcy.

Breaking with previous EU practice that depositors' savings are sacrosanct, Cyprus and international lenders agreed at the weekend that savers in the island's outsized banking system would take a hit in return for the offer of 10 billion euros ($13 billion) in aid.

That not only infuriated Cypriots, it unnerved depositors in the euro zone's weaker economies and investors fearing a precedent that could reignite market turmoil.

The euro fell sharply early on Monday in Asian trade.
On Monday afternoon, Cyprus' fractious 56-member parliament is scheduled to vote on whether depositors should forfeit part of their savings to fund a bailout, mainly needed to recapitalize banks.

Approval of the deposit cut is far from a given. No party has an absolute majority, three parties say outright they will not back the tax, and a vote initially planned for Sunday was rescheduled to allow more time to build a consensus.

Faced with a growing public backlash, Cypriot finance ministry officials began discussions with lenders on Sunday to lessen the blow for smaller savers.

A source close to the consultations told Reuters authorities were hoping to cut the tax band to 3.0 percent from 6.7 percent for deposits under 100,000 euros.

The rate for deposits above that would then be jacked up to 12.5 percent from 9.9 percent.

In Brussels, a spokesman for Olli Rehn, the European commissioner in charge of economic affairs, said changes to the amounts paid by different depositors could be acceptable given that the financial impact would be the same.

News of the tax triggered a run on cashpoints in Cyprus over the weekend. Monday is a bank holiday and measures need to be approved before banks reopen on Tuesday.

Cypriot President Nicos Anastasiades, a conservative elected just three weeks ago, said the tax on deposits was an alternative to a disorderly bankruptcy.

In a televised address he said it was painful but "will eventually stabilize the economy and lead it to recovery."

Savers who lost money would be compensated by shares in commercial banks, with equity returns guaranteed by future revenues expected from natural gas discoveries, Anastasiades said.

But many legislators remain unconvinced.

"Essentially parliament is called to legalize a decision to rob depositors blind, against every written and unwritten law," said Yiannakis Omirou, speaker of parliament and head of EDEK, the small Socialist party. "We refuse to subscribe to this."

Even though there was no immediate sign of savers taking fright in other parts of Europe badly hurt by the regional debt crisis, some feared a precedent had been set.

"European countries are very calm thinking it could never happen to them. But we'll all get involved sooner or later," said Ana Garcia, a 62-year-old worker at a mental health center in Madrid.
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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2013, 05:15:11 AM »
The great EU bank robbery:
British taxpayers to bail out victims of outrageous raid


  • British Government will reimburse military victims of EU's Cyprus cash grab
  • But 60,000 other Britons still face losing money after bail out
  • Chaos as banks empty cashpoints and ban online transfers
  • Bank tax could have repercussions across Eurozone and beyond

UK taxpayers will have to compensate thousands of Britons hit by a shock raid on bank accounts in Cyprus.
The debt-stricken island, which is home to around 3,000 British military personnel and civil servants, is being given an £8.7billion EU rescue package.

But – in a move condemned as ‘robbery’ – Germany says it will not fund the emergency deal unless every saver with a deposit account contributes via a bank tax.

Account holders will lose 9.9 per cent of all deposits over 100,000 euros (£85,000), with a 6.75 per cent levy on smaller amounts.

George Osborne said last night the Treasury will help out military staff and officials. But it is thought 60,000 other Britons, including holiday homeowners and expats, will lose out.

They are thought to have about £1.7billion in Cyprus’s banks – exposing them to a potential levy of at least £115million – or an average of £1,900 each.

In yet another eurozone crisis:
  • Cypriot banks banned online transfers and emptied cashpoints to stop withdrawals;
  • The levy could be automatically taken from accounts as early as Wednesday;
  • British tourists were told to ensure they had multiple sources of money;
  • The chief minister of the euro area refused to rule out similar levies elsewhere;
  • Analysts said the raid could fall foul of the European Convention on Human Rights;
  • Traders are braced for turbulence on international stock markets today.

In response to cries of outrage, Cypriot president Nicos Anastasiades was last night trying to amend the bailout tax to limit the pain for small depositors.

But Angela Merkel insisted it was right that all depositors in Cypriot banks should share the responsibility of bailing out the state.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294971/The-great-EU-bank-robbery-British-taxpayers-bail-victims-outrageous-raid.html

I wonder how long it will be before the UK names Cyprus as a terrorist nation like they did with Iceland? ???
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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 05:48:53 AM »
In Other Global Currency Trends ...   :D

What’s happening in Cyprus should send a chill over the entire world

Socialists ready to make power grab of world citizens’ money



Judi McLeod | March 17, 2013

Get your money out of the banks.Due to an “emergency deal reached today in Brussels”,  a one-time 9.9% tax is to be levied on Cypriot bank deposits of more than 100,000 euros effective Tuesday, March 19.

Virtually overnight and with no warning of any kind,  the emergency tax deal was imposed on the people of Cyprus without vote or debate.  People ran to ATM machines today only to discover that the taxed amount of their cash had already been frozen.

Monday in Cyprus is a national holiday, the first day of Greek Orthodox Easter.

Nor is this emergency only inflicted upon the so-called rich as even deposits under 100,000 euros will now be taxed at 6.7%.

“If it can happen in Cyprus, it can happen anywhere,” worried British correspondent Anna Grayson told Canada Free Press (CFP) in an overseas telephone call today.

“Is this why the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has purchased millions of hollow point bullets, is this why rumors of an underground bunker being built for Obama are circulating?”

The bottom line of the Cyprus story is that politicians are forcing a new 10 billion euro bailout—to be paid directly from the bank accounts of ordinary people.

The people of Cyprus, most of whom never saw this coming,  never had a chance.  Without social media they would not have known their accounts were frozen as of today.

People poured into the streets, making a run on ATM machines.  A crowd of around 150 protesters massed in front of the presidential palace late in the afternoon at the beginning of the three-day religious holiday on the island.

Cyprus is the fifth country to seek a bailout following Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Spain but the terms of the deal are a radical departure from previous schemes.

No one will escape the bailout deal which will apply to everyone from pensions to Russian oligarchs, who are alleged to have billions stashed away in what officials claim is a bloated Cypriot banking sector. (Sky News, March 16, 2013).)

The blueprint laid by cunning EU Socialist finance ministers comes at a time when the USA is being led by a Socialist president.

This is how the EU robbed the people of Cyprus:

Banks first cooperated with the EU by sealing off the amount of the proposed levy—a 6.75 percent tax on deposits under €100,000 and 9.9 percent on those above —making it impossible for depositors to access their full amount.  The only means bank customers have left is the ability to draw from the rest of their funds via ATM machines this weekend. Many depositors made their way to the machines on Saturday to drain their accounts.  But the few banks that opened on Saturdays did so only briefly, and no international transfers will be able to go through until Tuesday, with Monday being the holiday. Cyprus’ Parliament is expected to meet Sunday to pass the required legislation., or after the deed was done. The deal also needs the approval of several eurozone parliaments; at the time of writing it was unclear how fast they can act and what will happen to bank deposits in the meantime.

What’s happening in Cyprus should send a chill over the entire world.

Politicians working with complicit big banks need no rule of law; no parliament debates to close in on the bank accounts of average people.

Get your money out of the banks wherever you are, and do it as soon as possible.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/53818

Judi McLeod is an award-winning journalist with 30 years’ experience in the print media. A former Toronto Sun columnist, she also worked for the Kingston Whig Standard. Her work has appeared on Rush Limbaugh, Newsmax.com, Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and Glenn Beck.
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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2013, 05:54:54 AM »
The levy seems to have been badly handled by the Cypriats but has anybody here wondered why it was introduced ?
Doubtlessly everybody here is in favour of protecting all that hot russian money. When that nice macho Mr Putin starts complaining ( and he has) about the Cypriats taking his friends money will we all be still supportive?
But then who would have thought Russians would outwit Cypriats?
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2013, 06:13:18 AM »
The levy seems to have been badly handled by the Cypriats but has anybody here wondered why it was introduced ?
Doubtlessly everybody here is in favour of protecting all that hot russian money. When that nice macho Mr Putin starts complaining ( and he has) about the Cypriats taking his friends money will we all be still supportive?
But then who would have thought Russians would outwit Cypriats?

The Germans will only fund 10 billion, of the 17 billion in bailouts that Cyprus needed, so the Cypriots decided to simply take it from all Cypriot bank accounts. German opposition leaders were demanding that twice as much be taken from Cyprian accounts. I don't think German citizens are happy about having to fund further bailouts.  :'(
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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2013, 06:15:09 AM »
Obama Reid Cuntlosi just got a new idea from these criminals.

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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2013, 06:18:14 AM »
Obama Reid Cuntlosi just got a new idea from these criminals.

sticking Obama into another thread using tortured logic that has nothing to do with him...don't you ever stop???????

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2013, 06:20:16 AM »
sticking Obama into another thread using tortured logic that has nothing to do with him...don't you ever stop???????

Socialism/Communism like the left in this country preaches is a few chapters ahead in the EU and places like Greek Cyprus etc. 

At some point the money to fund social welfare bullshit ends and the game is up. 


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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2013, 06:22:12 AM »
THE SHOCKING TRUTH OF THE IMPENDING EU COLLAPSE!

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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2013, 06:23:25 AM »
Obama Reid Cuntlosi just got a new idea from these criminals.

Don't kid yourself. They've had this up their sleeves for a long time. Read the NDAA that is now the law of your land.
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2013, 06:25:28 AM »
Socialism/Communism like the left in this country preaches is a few chapters ahead in the EU and places like Greek Cyprus etc.  

At some point the money to fund social welfare bullshit ends and the game is up.  


Actually 333, the "LEFT" in Cyprus is screaming bloody murder on this one.
When are you going to wake up? It's not a LEFT / RIGHT thing. It's a hostile takeover of nations by banksters.

The problem is not the funding of social welfare, the problem is the funding of bankster welfare.
the problem was and is the wildwest casino environment of the banks. they caused the problem, and the savers are expected to bail out the banking industry via the theft of their money. Coming soon to America...
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Re: Cyprus Bailout: Welcome To Another Great Depression
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2013, 06:26:24 AM »
The Germans will only fund 10 billion, of the 17 billion in bailouts that Cyprus needed, so the Cypriots decided to simply take it from all Cypriot bank accounts. German opposition leaders were demanding that twice as much be taken from Cyprian accounts. I don't think German citizens are happy about having to fund further bailouts.  :'(

No if only the Russians had invested in bonds  raher than deposits the Germans would have seen them right
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2013, 06:27:48 AM »
Actually 333, the "LEFT" in Cyprus is screaming bloody murder on this one.
When are you going to wake up? It's not a LEFT / RIGHT thing. It's a hostile takeover of nations by banksters.

The leftists need the central bankers to print phantom money to keep the bullshit welfare spending going. 

Liberals/leftists/socialists/communists love central banks to keep printing money - they just get pissed off when they are not the beneficiaries of it. 

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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2013, 06:32:08 AM »
The leftists need the central bankers to print phantom money to keep the bullshit welfare spending going. 

Liberals/leftists/socialists/communists love central banks to keep printing money - they just get pissed off when they are not the beneficiaries of it. 

why are "Liberals/leftists/socialists/communists" protecting bondholders at the expence of depositholders and taxpayers?
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2013, 06:32:23 AM »
The leftists need the central bankers to print phantom money to keep the bullshit welfare spending going. 

Liberals/leftists/socialists/communists love central banks to keep printing money - they just get pissed off when they are not the beneficiaries of it. 

You mean like the bullshit welfare spending to the tune of $85 Billion per month (on the record) Bernanke is currently spending for mortgage backed securities?
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2013, 06:33:58 AM »
why are "Liberals/leftists/socialists/communists" protecting bondholders at the expence of depositholders and taxpayers?

What are bonds issued for and useful for vs  money sitting in deposit accounts? 

There is your answer. 

 

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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2013, 06:34:38 AM »
You mean like the bullshit welfare spending to the tune of $85 Billion per month (on the record) Bernanke is currently spending for mortgage backed securities?

Absolutely.   I dont support any of this garbage whatsoever and actually wanted no TARP, no bailouts, zilch remember?