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Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
« on: March 19, 2013, 09:46:00 AM »

But, but, but no.......  its was for Iraqi freedom, for WMD's and they got to keep their oil!  ::)
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Editor's note: Ten years ago the war in Iraq began. This week we focus on the people involved in the war, and the lives that changed forever. Antonia Juhasz, an oil industry analyst, is author of several books, including "The Bush Agenda" and "The Tyranny of Oil."

(CNN) -- Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil.

It has been 10 years since Operation Iraqi Freedom's bombs first landed in Baghdad. And while most of the U.S.-led coalition forces have long since gone, Western oil companies are only getting started.

Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West's largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq. So have a slew of American oil service companies, including Halliburton, the Texas-based firm Dick Cheney ran before becoming George W. Bush's running mate in 2000.

The war is the one and only reason for this long sought and newly acquired access.


Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly the central one, as top U.S. military and political figures have attested to in the years following the invasion.

"Of course it's about oil, we can't really deny that," said General John Abizaid in 2007, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq. Former Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir: "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Senator and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."


For the first time in about 30 years, Western oil companies are exploring for and producing oil in Iraq from some of the world's largest oil fields and reaping enormous profit. And while the U.S. has also maintained a fairly consistent level of Iraq oil imports since the invasion, the benefits are not finding their way through Iraq's economy or society.

These outcomes were by design, the result of a decade of U.S. government and oil company pressure. In 1998, Kenneth Derr, then CEO of Chevron, said, "Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas-reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." Today it does.



In 2000, Big Oil, including Exxon, Chevron, BP, and Shell, spent more money to get fellow oilmen George W. Bush and Dick Cheney into office than they had spent on any previous election. Just over a week into Bush's first term, their efforts paid off when the National Energy Policy Development Group, chaired by Dick Cheney, was formed, bringing the administration and the oil companies together to plot our collective energy future. In March, the task force reviewed lists and maps outlining Iraq's entire oil productive capacity.

Planning for a military invasion was soon underway. Bush's first Treasury Secretary, Paul O'Neill, said in 2004: "Already by February [2001], the talk was mostly about logistics. Not the why [to invade Iraq], but the how and how quickly."

In its final report in May 2001, the task force argued that Middle Eastern countries should be urged "to open up areas of their energy sectors to foreign investment." This is precisely what has been achieved in Iraq.

Here's how they did it.

The State Department Future of Iraq Project's Oil and Energy Working Group met from February 2002 to April 2003 and agreed that Iraq "should be opened to international oil companies as quickly as possible after the war."



The list of the group's members was not made public, but Ibrahim Bahr al-Uloum -- who was appointed Iraq's oil minister by the U.S. occupation government in September 2003 -- was part of the group, according to Greg Muttitt, the journalist and author of "Fuel on the Fire: Oil and Politics in Occupied Iraq". Bahr al-Uloum promptly set about trying to implement the group's objectives.

At the same time, representatives from ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, and Halliburton, among others, met with Cheney's staff in January 2003, to discuss plans for Iraq's postwar industry. For the next decade, former and current executives of western oil companies acted first as administrators of Iraq's oil ministry, and then as "advisers" to the Iraqi government.
People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are.
Then-U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel in 2007

Before the invasion, there were just two things standing in the way of western oil companies operating in Iraq: Saddam Hussein and the nation's legal system. The invasion dealt handily with Hussein. To address the latter problem, some both in and outside of the Bush administration argued that it should simply change Iraq's oil laws through the U.S.-led coalition government of Iraq which ran the country from April 2003 to June 2004. Instead the White House waited, choosing to pressure the newly-elected Iraqi government to pass new oil legislation itself.



This Iraq Hydrocarbons Law, partially drafted by the western oil industry, would lock the nation into private foreign investment under the most corporate-friendly terms. The Bush administration pushed the Iraqi government both publicly and privately to pass the law. And in January 2007, as the ''surge" of 20,000 additional American troops was being finalized, the president set specific benchmarks for the Iraqi government, including the passage of new oil legislation to "promote investment, national unity, and reconciliation."

But due to enormous public opposition and a recalcitrant parliament, the central Iraqi government has failed to pass the Hydrocarbons Law. Usama al-Nujeyfi, a member of the parliamentary energy committee, even quit in protest over the law, saying it would cede too much control to global companies and "ruin the country's future."

In 2008, with the likelihood of the law's passage and the prospect of continued foreign military occupation dimming as elections loomed in the U.S. and Iraq, the oil companies settled on a different track.


Bypassing parliament, the firms started signing contracts that provide all of the access and most of the favorable treatment the Hydrocarbons Law would provide - and the Bush administration helped draft the model contracts.



Upon leaving office, Bush and Obama administration officials have even worked for oil companies as advisers on their Iraq endeavors. For example, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad's company, CMX-Gryphon, "provides international oil companies and multinationals with unparalleled access, insight and knowledge on Iraq."

The new contracts lack the security a new legal structure would grant, and Iraqi lawmakers have argued that they run contrary to existing law, which requires government control, operation, and ownership of Iraq's oil sector.

But the contracts do achieve the key goal of the Cheney energy task force: all-but-privatizing the Iraqi oil sector and opening it to private foreign companies.

They also provide exceptionally long contract terms, high ownership stakes, and eliminate requirements that Iraq's oil stay in Iraq, that companies invest earnings in the local economy, or hire a majority of local workers.

Iraq's oil production has increased by more than 40% in the last five years to 3 million barrels of oil a day (still below the 1979 high of 3.5 million set by Iraq's state-owned companies), but a full 80% of this is being exported out of the country while Iraqis struggle to meet basic energy consumption needs. GDP per capita has increased significantly, yet remains among the lowest in the world and well below some of Iraq's other oil-rich neighbors. Basic services such as water and electricity remain luxuries, while 25% of the population lives in poverty.

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The promise of new energy-related jobs across the country has yet to materialize. The oil and gas sectors today account directly for less than 2% of total employment as foreign companies rely instead on imported labor.

In just the last few weeks, more than 1,000 people have protested at ExxonMobil and Russia Lukoil's super-giant West Qurna oil field, demanding jobs and payment for private land that has been lost or damaged by oil operations. The Iraqi military was called in to respond.

Fed up with the firms, a leading coalition of Iraqi civil society groups and trade unions, including oil workers, declared on February 15 that international oil companies have "taken the place of foreign troops in compromising Iraqi sovereignty" and should "set a timetable for withdrawal."

Closer to home, at a protest at Chevron's Houston headquarters in 2010, former U.S. Army Military Intelligence officer Thomas Buonomo, member of Iraq Veterans Against the War, held up a sign which read, "Dear Chevron: Thank you for dishonoring our service."

Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with losers: the Iraqi people, and all those who spilled and lost blood so that Big Oil could come out ahead.

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Re: Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2013, 10:07:06 AM »
But, but, but no.......  its was for Iraqi freedom, for WMD's and they got to keep their oil!  ::)
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It has been 10 years since Operation Iraqi Freedom's bombs first landed in Baghdad. And while most of the U.S.-led coalition forces have long since gone, Western oil companies are only getting started.

Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West's largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq. So have a slew of American oil service companies, including Halliburton, the Texas-based firm Dick Cheney ran before becoming George W. Bush's running mate in 2000.

The war is the one and only reason for this long sought and newly acquired access.

Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly the central one, as top U.S. military and political figures have attested to in the years following the invasion.

"Of course it's about oil, we can't really deny that," said General John Abizaid in 2007, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq. Former Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir: "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Senator and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."




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Re: Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2013, 11:16:16 AM »
funny no mention of how Pelosi, Reid, Biden, Kerry, Hillary Clinton, all voted in favor of this war.  i accept the fact that there could possibly have been a conspiracy, but for that to be true, a lot of people from both sides would have had to have been complicit.  Guarantee this guy doesn't mention that fact at all.  Why?  Because he's pandering for book sales. 

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Re: Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2013, 11:23:11 AM »
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.  Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well, effects American security.

This is a very difficult vote, this is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make.  Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction."

    Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2013, 11:23:44 AM »
"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

    President Clinton
    Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
    February 17, 1998


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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2013, 11:24:25 AM »
"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."

    Former President Clinton
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2013, 11:25:00 AM »
"Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here.  For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."

    Madeleine Albright, President Clinton's Secretary of State
    Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
    February 18, 1998

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2013, 11:25:32 AM »
Regime change in Iraq has been official US policy since 1998.  The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, signed into law by President Clinton, states:

"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

    Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
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    September 29, 1998


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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2013, 11:26:19 AM »
"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.  I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan Resolution that's presently under consideration in the Senate.  Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies.  We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he's used them in the past, and that he's doing everything he can to build more.  Every day he gets closer to his long-term goal of nuclear capability.

Democracy will not spring up by itself overnight in a multi-ethnic, complicated society that's suffered under one repressive regime after another for generations.  The Iraqi people deserve and need our help to rebuild their lives and to create a prosperous, thriving, open society.  All Iraqis, including Sunnis, Shia and Kurds, deserve to be represented.  This is not just a moral imperative.  It's a security imperative.  It is in America's national interest to help build an Iraq at peace with itself and its neighbors, because a democratic, tolerant and accountable Iraq will be a peaceful regional partner, and such an Iraq could serve as a model for the entire Arab world."

    Senator John Edwards (Democrat, North Carolina)
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2013, 11:27:26 AM »
"Imagine the consequences if Saddam fails to comply and we fail to act.  Saddam will be emboldened, believing the international community has lost its will.  He will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction.  And some day, some way, I am certain, he will use that arsenal again, as he has ten times since 1983."

    Sandy Berger, President Clinton's National Security Advisor
    Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
    February 18, 1998


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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2013, 11:29:51 AM »
"Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction.  If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future.  Saddam will strike again at his neighbors; he will make war on his own people.  And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction.  He will deploy them, and he will use them."

   President Clinton
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Re: Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2013, 11:30:46 AM »
I dont think this has to do anything with repub/dem.  Oz didn't mention politics.

The war was about oil.  Some getbiggers beleived it.  Others did not.   Now we know the truth - it was about oil.  it might have taken 10 years for everyone to figure it out....

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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2013, 11:39:14 AM »
I dont think this has to do anything with repub/dem.  Oz didn't mention politics.

The war was about oil.  Some getbiggers beleived it.  Others did not.   Now we know the truth - it was about oil.  it might have taken 10 years for everyone to figure it out....

LOL!  Now we know the truth???  what?  because some guy is writing a book?  he is telling you what you want to hear.  thats why you believe it.

all i'm saying is i'm fine with the conspiracy theory.  just don't pick and choose who you villify based upon whats convenient for you to believe.  if his assertion that the war was all about oil to be true the presidential administrations from Bush Sr., Clinton, and GWB all would have had to have been complicit.  And you don't want to believe that.  You just want to believe that GWB is the bad guy.  All the incontrovertible facts that i posted above you aren't interested in.

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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2013, 11:54:24 AM »
LOL!  Now we know the truth???  what?  because some guy is writing a book?  he is telling you what you want to hear.  thats why you believe it.

all i'm saying is i'm fine with the conspiracy theory.  just don't pick and choose who you villify based upon whats convenient for you to believe.  if his assertion that the war was all about oil to be true the presidential administrations from Bush Sr., Clinton, and GWB all would have had to have been complicit.  And you don't want to believe that.  You just want to believe that GWB is the bad guy.  All the incontrovertible facts that i posted above you aren't interested in.


Ding, ding, ding!!!!  EXACTLY!

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Re: Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2013, 12:50:35 PM »
LOL!  Now we know the truth???  what?  because some guy is writing a book?  he is telling you what you want to hear.  thats why you believe it.

all i'm saying is i'm fine with the conspiracy theory.  just don't pick and choose who you villify based upon whats convenient for you to believe.  if his assertion that the war was all about oil to be true the presidential administrations from Bush Sr., Clinton, and GWB all would have had to have been complicit.  And you don't want to believe that.  You just want to believe that GWB is the bad guy.  All the incontrovertible facts that i posted above you aren't interested in.


we know the truth because the architcts of the war admit it.  because the exact thing that CTers predicted - Iraq's oil industry being largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.  

It's tough to argue that the CTers were wrong... cause they were right.  Oz didn't mention politics nor Bush.  Neither did I.  That was introduced later in this thread.  I dont think anyone with 90 IQ or better still believes every single politician in DC isn't bought and owned by big industry like oil.  hilary = obama = bush, but that's not what OZ started this thread to show.

he started it to show that ever getbigger scremaing "War about oil? That's a conspiracy theory" in 2004/2005 was wrong.

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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2013, 01:00:55 PM »
we know the truth because the architcts of the war admit it.  because the exact thing that CTers predicted - Iraq's oil industry being largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.  

It's tough to argue that the CTers were wrong... cause they were right.  Oz didn't mention politics nor Bush.  Neither did I.  That was introduced later in this thread.  I dont think anyone with 90 IQ or better still believes every single politician in DC isn't bought and owned by big industry like oil.  hilary = obama = bush, but that's not what OZ started this thread to show.

he started it to show that ever getbigger scremaing "War about oil? That's a conspiracy theory" in 2004/2005 was wrong.

No he's drawing conclusions based upon random facts that he puts together like a puzzle and gives you the story the way he knows you want to hear it.  and you believe him because you want to.  i'm sorry.  but thats the truth.

 if he can go back and present evidence of how Clinton and Bush Sr. started this conspiracy I would be a little bit more receptive.  trust me he'll never touch that part of the story.  thats not what his fans want to hear.  no one is interested in buying that book.  because Obama hired a bunch of the conspirators.

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Re: Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2013, 01:04:40 PM »
we know the truth because the architcts of the war admit it.  because the exact thing that CTers predicted - Iraq's oil industry being largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.  

It's tough to argue that the CTers were wrong... cause they were right.  Oz didn't mention politics nor Bush.  Neither did I.  That was introduced later in this thread.  I dont think anyone with 90 IQ or better still believes every single politician in DC isn't bought and owned by big industry like oil.  hilary = obama = bush, but that's not what OZ started this thread to show.

he started it to show that ever getbigger scremaing "War about oil? That's a conspiracy theory" in 2004/2005 was wrong.

oh and find me a popular conspiracy theorist that implicates Bill Clinton in this "war for oil".  show me that the conspiracy theorists don't have political motives and are simply seeking the truth. 

you won't find any.  trust me.  because they're all full of shit.

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Re: Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2013, 01:06:19 PM »
first off, its funny how everytime the Iraq debate come up the first thing conservatives do is site the Dems voting for it.

Let me make this clear:

THIS IS NOT ABOUT LIB vs. CON!

As a foot note to this:  its importnat the understand that we had war fever at that time, voting agsint it would have been poltical suicide, ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD campaign funding suicide lol.

Now to the charges of a CT.

One fact or myth:

If Iraqi's oil nationalized or dominated by foriegn companies?


Feel free to back your claims with actual facts.


(I'd like to know)  ;)

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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2013, 01:13:46 PM »
But, but, but no.......  its was for Iraqi freedom, for WMD's and they got to keep their oil!  ::)
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Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.


Pretty simple really.....  is this true or not?


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Re: Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2013, 01:18:07 PM »
first off, its funny how everytime the Iraq debate come up the first thing conservatives do is site the Dems voting for it.

Let me make this clear:

THIS IS NOT ABOUT LIB vs. CON!

As a foot note to this:  its importnat the understand that we had war fever at that time, voting agsint it would have been poltical suicide, ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD campaign funding suicide lol.

Now to the charges of a CT.

One fact or myth:

If Iraqi's oil nationalized or dominated by foriegn companies?


Feel free to back your claims with actual facts.


(I'd like to know)  ;)

it is about LIB vs CON if the author of that book doesn't examine the fact that every president since Ronald Reagan said that Sadaam is a nuclear threat.  but they were ALL lying becasue it all part and parcel of this huge conspiracy.  I didn't read his book.  I guarantee he doesn't do that.  I guarantee he doesn't mention ANYTHING about the CLinton administration role in the conspiracy.  only GWB's.  Prove me wrong.  post the excerpt of the book where he addresses that.

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Re: Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2013, 01:22:27 PM »
Pretty simple really.....  is this true or not?



and that is THE ONLY fact that you need?  sounds like you're gathering ammunition to support your foregoned conclusion, not gathering information in order to make an informed decision.  One could say the same thing about the US textile, energy, and manufacturing industries.  They change over time.  You're seriously basing your opinion on the largest and most complex conspiracy theory in the history of the world on this one fact?  wow.  you don't need much.  if i didn't knwo any etter i would say you had an agenda.  hmm.

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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2013, 01:26:37 PM »
it is about LIB vs CON if the author of that book doesn't examine the fact that every president since Ronald Reagan said that Sadaam is a nuclear threat.  but they were ALL lying becasue it all part and parcel of this huge conspiracy.  I didn't read his book.  I guarantee he doesn't do that.  I guarantee he doesn't mention ANYTHING about the CLinton administration role in the conspiracy.  only GWB's.  Prove me wrong.  post the excerpt of the book where he addresses that.

Why are you holding on to that?

Is that only way you can avoid the truth?

Are you so subject to politcal blabber that now you see it as absolute truth?  anything any president said is absolute truth?  Seriously?  

Or is it that you cant stand that a president from the party you support might have lied so now you are trying to throw other poeple from the otehr side to minimize it?

it boils down to this:  

If Iraqi's oil nationalized or dominated by foriegn companies?

Feel free to back your claims with actual facts.


PS:  don't do the cowardly thing by trying to deflect this in the direction of having me prove something else.

HAVE SOME BALLS.

STOP HIDING.

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« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2013, 01:27:18 PM »
and that is THE ONLY fact that you need?  sounds like you're gathering ammunition to support your foregoned conclusion, not gathering information in order to make an informed decision.  One could say the same thing about the US textile, energy, and manufacturing industries.  They change over time.  You're seriously basing your opinion on the largest and most complex conspiracy theory in the history of the world on this one fact?  wow.  you don't need much.  if i didn't knwo any etter i would say you had an agenda.  hmm.

can you answer the quesiton of not?

Or will you continue to squirm?


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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2013, 01:28:57 PM »
Why are you holding on to that?

Is that only way you can avoid the truth?

Are you so subject to politcal blabber that now you see it as absolute truth?  anything any president said is absolute truth?  Seriously?  

Or is it that you cant stand that a president from the party you support might have lied so now you are trying to throw other poeple from the otehr side to minimize it?

it boils down to this:  

If Iraqi's oil nationalized or dominated by foriegn companies?

Feel free to back your claims with actual facts.


PS:  don't do the cowardly thing by trying to deflect this in the direction of having me prove something else.

HAVE SOME BALLS.

STOP HIDING.

Iraq's oil is dominated by foreign companies. 

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Re: Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2013, 01:30:05 PM »
Iraq's oil is dominated by foreign companies. 

was it nationalized before 2003?