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Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« on: March 20, 2013, 07:42:34 PM »
Read this study here, curious as to what the experts think:



New research suggest GH is better to be taken EOD.



EOD GH injections are better!..... study says

A very thorough well controlled 4 year study published on
The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 87, No.8 3573-3577
clearly shows every other day (EOD) hGH injections to be much more beneficial in the long run to everyday injections. Everyday injections seems to drastically lower your body's sensitivity to it's own GH secretion. The study included children with idiopathic short stature, but can be ever casting on us, normal non-deficient hGH individuals who may use hGH periodically for bodybuilding, sports and health purposes.

The 38 children were divided into 2 groups:
Group I received daily hGH injections.
Group II received alternate day hGH injections.

It is important to note that the total weekly dosage of hGH was the same for both groups.

Both groups received the hGH therapy contiguously for 2 years.
Their natural growth was followed for an additional 2 years after hGH therapy ended. They were all measured at 3-month intervals during the 4 years period (2 years with hGH therapy and 2 years after). Their Serum GH was measured by double antibody RIA kit.

During hGH therapy, both groups accelerated their growth substantially.
Group I receiving the daily hGH injections first & second year velocity was 3.4 and 2.3 SD Group II receiving the alternate hGH inj. had 3.0 and 2.0 SD for first and second year respectively.

Over the initial 6 months after withdrawal of therapy, growth velocity decelerated to a low nadir -3.9 SD score for the daily therapy group, whereas it decelerated in the alternate day group to only -0.2 SD score.

During the 2 years off therapy, the later group (taking EOD injections)
maintained growth rates of -0.2 to -1.2 SD score, which is similar to their SD score prior to the hGH treatment. The daily group also recovered but very slowly, on the fourth semiannual evaluation off therapy. The cumulative 4-year growth velocity (2yrs on and 2 yrs off therapy) of the alternate day group was greater than that of the daily therapy group (mean, 0.9 vs. 0.3 SD score).

At the end of the 4-yr therapy period, the adult height prediction of the alternate day group was greater than that of the daily group by a mea of 6.5cm (that's over 2.5" in height, quite a lot of difference)

In even simpler English, to translate what it may mean to us is that using hGH everyday will only negligibly give better short-term results. Yet using alternate day hGH will give radically better long-term results and much better recovery. As the body may get back to homeostasis much faster.

Remember the two groups got the same weekly total hGH dosage,
so your every other day hGH injections would be twice as if you used
it every day.

The researchers said, the dose was of less impotency than the schedule of the injections. Daily hGH therapy for 3 years caused subnormal growth persisting for 1.5 years (very bad)

It may be that the problem is not enough hGH or IGF-1 secretion but rather
the body's decreased sensitivity to it. The interesting part is that the serum GH levels and serum IGF-I and IGF-binding protein remained unaffected or relatively mutely affected. Even your body's endogenous pulsatile secretion of GH resumes within just days even after long-term hGH therapy.

The researchers hypothesis is that the tolerance may be in the "GH signal transduction in selective target organs in response to the disappearance of the unique pulsatile pattern of serum GH during GH therapy". You see, hGH taken via sc injections do not imitate the your body's own GH secretion.
"Indeed, daily sc administration of GH results in an unphysiological serum GH profile, with peak levels at 4 h and a slow decline over the course of the following 12–24 h. This pattern can be regarded as continuous administration, rather than the physiological GH pulses, with a frequency of about eight per day."

"Assuming that the withdrawal syndrome is related to tolerance that might have developed toward hGH or IGF-I, we tried to prevent it by alternate day treatment. Moreover, hGH doses used in therapy often stimulate IGF-I to supraphysiological serum levels, suggesting that target tissues IGF-I may also be higher than normal. The mechanism seems, therefore, to rest with hGH and IGF-I action at their target tissues. We now show that alternate day therapy
with hGH in children with an intact GH-IGF-I axis prevents the withdrawal syndrome"

Researchers mark the analogy to another endocrine tolerance and withdrawal syndrome:
"alternate day therapy with glucocoricoids prevents tolerance to that hormone to a substantial degree, "Interestingly, glucocoricoids withdrawal syndrome can also occur while the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis is intact (8), indicating that tolerance to glucocoricoids has developed
at the target organ level (9). "

An example of a good safe protocol to follow in my opinion could be

hGH taken for 4 months (16 weeks) or more at 8IU every other day,
split to 4IU three hours after waking up (say 11:00am)
and another 4IU taken 4 hours later (say 3:00pm).
This approach is quite conservative and may be optimal.

Obviously, you may extend past 4months, and take more IUs per day.
This approach goes with 8IU EOD, so it is equivalent to folks that would
otherwise go with 4IU ED, which is what most do.

There is some controversy as to how many of these IUs the body
can utilize at once

Obviously, there are lot of studies, some better conducted, some less.
Lots of opinions and doctrines in endocrinology, bodybuilding etc..
So you should make your own decision, I guess old individuals on
hGH for life would not mind, as no rebound would affect them. Professional
bodybuilders probably wouldn't mind as well.

I would rather follow a protocol like this. For most part due to the
nasty rebound that I could get after withdrawing from long-term ED hGH treatment.
Nothing worse then look awesome, stop hGH then after several months having:
Low body sensitivity to your own body's GH.
Slow recovery
Decline in resting cardiac output
Increase fat mass
Decrease in metabolic rate
Negative nitrogen balance, phosphorus, sodium and potassium.

Again, I said "could" not "would", because this study cannot absolutely manifest
our use of hGH. Moreso, we are not children, we are not idiopathic hGH deficient
and not aGHD. But since the weekly dosages do remain the same as well as the
duration of the hGH usage. Just changing to the EOD protocol from the well
hyped everyday inj protocol is worth in my honest opinion. It seems statistically
a better bet, with more chance to win, than loose as opposed to the ED protocol.

I just tried to summarize the findings of the study, which was by the way,
a pleasure to read as the study is well written and was prepared by
Dr Hochberg, MD, a renowned well respected figure in endocrinology.

You can read the full article with all the graphs and details here:
Prevention of Growth Deceleration after Withdrawal of Growth Hormone Therapy in Idiopathic Short Stature
With references to 23 studies.
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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2013, 08:41:19 PM »
This is why some take it all on M-W-F.  Who knows, so much gh is fake it is hard to tell unless u had the proper blood work done.

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2013, 02:07:52 AM »
you should confirm this with the nob of hormones over at the other forum, i know the scientists will have

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2013, 02:56:14 AM »
But doesn't a person produce gh every night when they sleep?

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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2013, 10:41:11 AM »
Good stuff. Lends a lot more credibility to the ones that support blasting EOD or doing a few big doses per week.

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2013, 10:54:56 AM »
much better study here.. check out the comparable igf-1 levels. You could save alot of money doing gh eod.

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2000 Oct;85(10):3720-5.

Recombinant growth hormone (GH) therapy in GH-deficient adults: a long-term controlled study on daily versus thrice weekly injections.

Amato G, Mazziotti G, Di Somma C, Lalli E, De Felice G, Conte M, Rotondi M, Pietrosante M, Lombardi G, Bellastella A, Carella C, Colao A.

Institute of Endocrinology, Seconda Universita of Naples, Italy. giovanni.amato@unina2.it

Currently, replacement recombinant GH (rGH) therapy in GH-deficient (GHD) adults is performed in daily injections. This modality of treatment is not complied with by the totality of GHD patients, who are supposed to receive life-long replacement. The aim of our study was to compare daily vs. thrice weekly (TIW) rGH injection effects on lipid profile, body composition, bone metabolism, and bone density in 34 GHD patients (13 women and 21 men; median age, 39 yr; range, 30-55 yr) randomly assigned to different therapeutic regimens. Group A included 18 patients receiving daily rGH injections, and group B included 16 patients receiving TIW injections of rGH. The starting dose of rGH was 10 microg/kg x day in both groups. Subsequently, the dose was adjusted to maintain serum insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) concentrations in the normal age-adjusted range. IGF-I levels were assessed before and after 1, 3, 6, and 12 months of rGH treatment, and lipid profile, body composition, bone metabolism, and bone density were evaluated before and after 6 and 12 months of treatment. Thirty-four healthy subjects served as controls. In the basal condition, lipid profile, body composition, bone metabolism, and bone density were significantly different in patients compared to controls. Conversely, patients included in groups A and B had similar serum IGF-I levels, lipid profile, body composition, bone metabolism, and bone density. After 3 months of rGH treatment, IGF-I levels were normalized in 15 of 18 patients (83.3%) in group A and in 7 of 16 patients (43.7%) in group B (chi2 = 4.21; P = 0.04). At this time point, serum IGF-I levels in patients in group A (202+/-57.5 microg/L) were significantly higher than those in patients in group B (155+/-45.1 microg/L; P = 0.001). After 6 months of therapy, serum IGF-I levels were normalized in all patients and were similar in both groups (223+/-35.2 vs. 212+/-41.4 microg/L, A vs. B, respectively). IGF-I levels remained normal until the 12-month follow-up. After 6 months of rGH replacement, total cholesterol, low density lipoprotein cholesterol, triglycerides, bioelectrical impedance, and body fat mass were significantly reduced, whereas high density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and lean body mass were significantly increased in both groups of patients, without any difference between them. No further change in lipid profile and body composition was observed after 12 months of treatment. Serum bone GLA protein and procollagen III levels were significantly increased after 6 months, and a downward trend was observed after 12 months of rGH replacement. However, a slight, but significant, increase in bone mineral density was observed in both groups only after 12 months (P = 0.0001). All patients in group B had good compliance to the TIW treatment, whereas 5 patients in group A had poor compliance to the treatment (chi2 = 3.2; P = 0.07). In conclusion, our randomized, prospective, and controlled study confirmed that rGH therapy with TIW injection regimen is effective in normalizing IGF-I levels and improving lipid profile, body composition, bone metabolism, and bone density. It also demonstrated that this efficacy is comparable to that observed in patients treated with daily rhGH therapy, with few side-effects and good compliance.

 

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2013, 11:59:58 AM »
What about the lasting results of a GH cycle?  Do you lose it all pretty quick line with test cycles?
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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 12:00:10 PM »
those are children trying to grow taller.  They are not lifting everyday, taking steroids and other shit.  Big difference.

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 12:06:50 PM »
anyone who isnt using harma grade gh,is injecting basicaly nothing or hcg.

those chinese hghs are all shit.

can inject ehm every day every 3 daysm ,itll be all the same, for there fuck all gh in them

i hope this helps.
and to qute to honourable disgusted, gymrats dont really need gh,its not like theyre anywhere near maxed out on setroids

At least some of the Chinese HGH is real.  Sure, it's not near as pure as pharm grade HGH as has been proven, but it still at least has some real HGH.  The biggest scam by far is IGF-1.  Not a single lab test ever has proven that the IGF-1 from any research company is real, correctly made IGF-1.  Plus you consider that real IGF-1 when purchase for research purposes cost around $2700 per mg, while research companies sell mg's for as cheap as 50$, makes you wonder. 

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2013, 01:07:41 PM »
yeah ofc igf and such are all scams.

as for the chinese gh being real,yeah some has gh in it,severly underdosed, happy if you get half of what the label claims,BUT ,the transport issue.talk to a doctor whos knowledgeable on this and ask him what happens to gh when its not cooled during transport.

all in all, you get what you pay for,if one cannot afford the pharmacy stuff from a doctor, he shouldnt bother.

besides that, theres very very few on this board whod really need gh for further improvement, nobdy here will hit the olympia stage anytime soon.
ppl just lazy and hope for the next best drug to make up for their lack of willpower,just like newcomers think steroids will make them an arnold wihtin 1or2 cycles.the gym rat can just stick to efedrine and t3 and have about the same effects as 5ius of shiutty chinese gh.

imo

Well, I am interest in GH for other reasons.  I am in my mid 30s and I want an anabolic agent that won't cause my hair to fall out, get crazy acne, grow tits and on and on...  I want just maybe 5-10 lbm gain, and have minimal sides.

When I use test, it gets too complicated for me.  Have to use finasteride to keep my hair, an anti estrogen to control gyno, antibiotic to control acne cysts, then a complicated pct of hcg clomid and nolva!  See what I am getting at? 

For me, I want an anabolic without all the hassle.  Some would say u need thyroid and skin and on and on, but u would rather do a 6 month GH course with no ancillaries and no complicated pct
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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2013, 01:24:42 PM »
If going to use, only legit hg stuff for me.  I am very skeptical of anything coming out of china
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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2013, 01:28:55 PM »
Also another concern for me is my cholesterol, my hdl is low, so I need to stay away from test that lowers my hdl
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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2013, 02:47:39 PM »
oh, if thats the case, go for it.

by any means if one can affor legit gh, this shouldnt even be a yes or no question.

 8)

yeah the chinese slot eyes, their whole county cant manage to manufacture a freaking t shirt that wont fall apart after first washing, yet some gullible  folks believe the gh from there is gonna be any good.haha ;D



We have serum and igf tests that shows Chinese are quite capable of producing real hgh. Believe or not, most competitive bodybuilders are not spending thousands a month on gh but actually use Chinese. Chinese have an athletic program too and they take sports very seriously. They know how to make their PEDs just as well as anybody else.

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2013, 04:20:50 PM »
Hate to break the news but GH causes bitch tits too.

just google HGH and Gyno


Well, I am interest in GH for other reasons.  I am in my mid 30s and I want an anabolic agent that won't cause my hair to fall out, get crazy acne, grow tits and on and on...  I want just maybe 5-10 lbm gain, and have minimal sides.

When I use test, it gets too complicated for me.  Have to use finasteride to keep my hair, an anti estrogen to control gyno, antibiotic to control acne cysts, then a complicated pct of hcg clomid and nolva!  See what I am getting at? 

For me, I want an anabolic without all the hassle.  Some would say u need thyroid and skin and on and on, but u would rather do a 6 month GH course with no ancillaries and no complicated pct

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2013, 05:55:18 PM »
Hate to break the news but GH causes bitch tits too.

just google HGH and Gyno


HCG really does and that is what is most of the gh, besides peptides now getting popular.

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2013, 07:36:29 PM »
I know, I read that earlier but I am questing no where near the extent of test!

Wonder if nolva would combat GH induced gyno?
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2013, 07:46:51 PM »
Actually from what i am reading, it's very controversial if hgh causes gyno or if it just makes everything in the body bigger!
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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2013, 08:10:43 PM »
Read this on another board:


GH Cycling for Beginners
By: TJ

You’ve decided to take the plunge (pun intended) and finally try Growth Hormone. Wonderful, the benefits are wide and often remarkable, depending on what your goals with it are. If you’re a weightlifter, and since this article is being written for weightlifters and your reading it, I’m going to assume your goals are either to add muscle mass, to lose body fat or both. That’s great because GH when used correctly can easily accomplish both. But how it’s used and what it’s used with will greatly impact how well it does its job so before we dig in with the actual nuts and bolts of your cycle let’s recap a little on what exactly GH is and does.

Growth Hormone is a 191-amino acid, single chain polypeptide hormone (wow that’s a mouth full), let’s just say it’s a combination of amino acids arranged in a specific order to make up a hormone. Prior to 1985 it was harvested from cadavers (dead people), now it is constructed in a lab. GH is involved in over 500 different hormonal processes such as reproduction, fat burning, regulating basal body temperature, reducing insulin sensitivity, stimulating the immune system, hair and nail growth, bone growth and most importantly for lifters muscle growth, including many, many others. Of note though, the most noticeable effect reported from using GH is an increase in overall well being, that is the user reports feeling great overall without it being isolated to one body part. In some cases they say they feel 20 years younger, not bad from a simple daily injection right? Again though for the sake of this article we’ll concentrate on the muscle gains and fat burning. With that in mind let’s jump into a couple cycle options.


GH Cycle Option 1: Daily Injections

So what exactly constitutes the “correct” GH cycle? Well that’s a good question, since there are an infinite number of ways to take any chemical what usually gets passed off as the “correct” way is often just the most common. That doesn’t always mean it’s the best or most efficient way of doing things, just the most common. The 1st cycle we will discuss is the old standby, which is the daily injections method. This method has been used since the 70’s when athletes started experimenting with GH. Assuming your GH is of good quality and has been stored and shipped correctly there need not be any reason for you to use more than 4iu/day, most users of higher dosages do so because their GH has degraded somewhere along the line. I know I’m going to take flack on this from more experienced GH users but this article is be written for beginners and users with little GH experience and for those users the total dosage doesn’t need to be any higher, anything more will be a waste and with the cost of GH what it is that’s plain madness. Most athletes that I’ve trained and counseled on the use of GH have received great results using 2-3iu/day total so 4ius is a safe bet. I always believe in starting as low as possible, you can always go up if lower dosages don’t yield the desired results, but once you’ve used a dosage going back down doesn’t work as the body gets used to a certain level and anything under that level just won’t cut it so let’s start with 4iu/day if we need to go up later you can. Below I’ve laid out a very basic GH cycle, one that should work nicely for most users.

4ius/day Growth Hormone, 2iu injected upon rising, 2iu injected immediately post-workout
500mg/week Testosterone
12.5- 25mcg/day T3

As you can see I’ve added in 2 additional chemicals that I feel are necessities to getting all you can out of your GH cycle, Testosterone and the thyroid medication T3. GH and Testosterone used together yield that much sort after synergy, that is in this case when the 2 chemicals used together yield the results of more than the 2 alone could. When you add in small amounts of T3(12.5-25mcg/day) to any steroid cycle it increases the muscle gains by increasing the absorption of protein and other nutrients, it also speeds up the metabolism just enough to start burning fat albeit small amounts at that dosage but still since the GH is building muscle and burning fat at the same time it will only enhance the results your seeking. T3 is a cheap addition that like I said will also help shed some fat while adding muscle mass, and we all know the muscle building properties of steroids like Testosterone so taken together these 3 chemicals should net you very favorable results. While you can get results from using GH by itself there is literally no comparison to the results gained by using the 3 chemicals listed above.


GH Cycle Option 2: 3/week Protocol

In recent times through experimentation lifters have discovered a new and exciting way of extracting even better results from the same amount of GH, and as an added benefit without the all too often experienced negative side effects like carpal tunnel syndrome, water retention or aching joints. This method involves taking your weekly total of GH you would use over a 7 day period, dividing it by 3 and using 1/3 post workout after 3 selected workouts each week. Now obviously the individual shots will be bigger, but because their infrequent the body doesn’t grow accustomed to them and the side effects never show. In the 2 plus years I’ve been counseling lifters on their GH usage not 1 has experienced any side effects using GH this way, yet the muscle gains and fat loss results they experience are far better than ever. I’ve had guys who couldn’t get any results from daily injects suddenly gain a solid 15lbs in 4-8 weeks by doing nothing more than switching their cycle from daily shots to the 3/week protocol. The cycle would look like this.

9-10ius GH 3 times per week, post workout, preferably IM injection
500mg/week Testosterone
12.5- 25mcg/day T3

Again you see that the 3 components are the same, GH, Testosterone and T3. The only differences between this option and option #1 is that you are doing shots only post workout and only on 3 workout days, on the “off days” you are not shooting anything. You are also only shooting your GH once that day, right after your workout, not upon rising from sleep. The idea here is to hit it hard and infrequently, causing the body to react in a favorable way and then let it rest. I can state emphatically that I haven’t had 1 person I’ve recommended this to over the past 2 plus years not be far more pleased with the results than with the daily injection method.


Conclusion

As you can see I’ve laid out what I feel are the 2 most popular methods of cycling GH, the decision is yours in which to try but I would make this recommendation to you if your goals are to gain muscle mass use the 3 times a week protocol, if fat loss is more your goal use the daily injection method. That’s said, I’ve said this a hundred times so I may as well say it again, I don’t like using GH for fat loss it’s much too expensive for the amount of fat loss you’ll experience, there are far better and cheaper chemicals you can use like T3, Clenbuterol and the ECA Stack. Also, you’ll hear of the 5 on/2 off method, that is simply the daily injection method outlined above only you skip every 6th and 7th day, this isn’t to keep things fresh in the body like with the 3 times a week protocol it’s just so you save some money by doing 5 injections a week vs. 7. If you are going to do this save a few extra dollars and to it 7 days a week don’t skimp and do it ½ way, go all the way and do it right.

One last thing, many people will tell you that you need to stack insulin with GH to get it to work, this is bull crap plain and simple. Will you get better results using Insulin, yes, but not because it makes the GH work any better but because Insulin is a very potent drug and the extra gains come from that. I’ve purposely left it out because these cycles are aimed at early users of GH and at this point Insulin shouldn’t even be considered. Save that for years from now when you are struggling to get results from the chemicals you are using now. Use it now and you won’t have anything to turn to later. Hopefully one of the cycles I’ve laid out will help you reach your goals, work hard and it will come!
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2013, 12:15:39 AM »
Actually from what i am reading, it's very controversial if hgh causes gyno or if it just makes everything in the body bigger!

Gyno and IGF1 are very much related. Prolactin and estrogen also form it, but take out one of them and no gyno. Nolva lowers IGF1 making out relatively decent for combating breast cancer.

As long as estrogen and prolactin are low then IGF1 can be raised without feeding the tissues in the breast and causing hypertrophy in the glandular tissues.

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2013, 02:01:15 AM »
Again I ask, if you produce hgh every night when you sleep (assuming you are healthy and young) why is it bad to use it every day? Isn't one of the functions of gh is recovery and repair? Isn't that something that you do every night when you sleep and something you want to enhance by using exogenous hgh, especially as you get into your 30s and older and your own production starts to diminish?

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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2013, 02:24:17 AM »
Again I ask, if you produce hgh every night when you sleep (assuming you are healthy and young) why is it bad to use it every day? Isn't one of the functions of gh is recovery and repair? Isn't that something that you do every night when you sleep and something you want to enhance by using exogenous hgh, especially as you get into your 30s and older and your own production starts to diminish?

Endo and exo, look it up and learn the difference. Exogenous use isn't a huge detriment at lower doses but insulin resistance is probably the biggest health risk.

No one here is talking about normal physiological levels either, we're talking about supraphysiological levels and exogenous GH.

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2013, 04:31:08 AM »
Hate to break the news but GH causes bitch tits too.

just google HGH and Gyno


just google HGH and horns or HGH and 50 inch cock, they will have a few million pages on those too, learn to use google properly, learn to differentiate between junk pages and blogs and legit info, I thought in 2013 most know this already

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2013, 05:43:23 AM »
GH is truly fascinating. It and slin are the reason that I quit trying to be serious about bodybuilding. I do wish I had the money to go about 5 iu's a day for a couple years with good stuff. No need for all the crazy shit. I still do believe that you are going to be better off doing it every day, and people's results indicate this as much as any study can prove otherwise.

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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2013, 11:49:31 AM »
yeah ofc igf and such are all scams.

as for the chinese gh being real,yeah some has gh in it,severly underdosed, happy if you get half of what the label claims,BUT ,the transport issue.talk to a doctor whos knowledgeable on this and ask him what happens to gh when its not cooled during transport.

all in all, you get what you pay for,if one cannot afford the pharmacy stuff from a doctor, he shouldnt bother.

besides that, theres very very few on this board whod really need gh for further improvement, nobdy here will hit the olympia stage anytime soon.
ppl just lazy and hope for the next best drug to make up for their lack of willpower,just like newcomers think steroids will make them an arnold wihtin 1or2 cycles.the gym rat can just stick to efedrine and t3 and have about the same effects as 5ius of shiutty chinese gh.

imo
serostim is actually supposed to be kept at room temperature until reconstitution. 

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Re: Every other day dosing of GH may be best!
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2013, 12:55:18 PM »
serostim is actually supposed to be kept at room temperature until reconstitution. 

Shipping environment can be volatile. But you're right. If I grabbed it from the pharmacy it'd go in the cupboard until reconstitution.