This is the best I can do

[The True Adonis]

Lol was. You can't even remember what year.

U Mad Bro?  I`m not.

[Disgusted]

That pic with Noah was in 2005 in November 6th and I was on a quest once again foolishly to Deadlift 600 or more, matching or exceeding my previous best- Bulking Big Ach Style. ( I don`t do that bullshit anymore, my lifting ego has vanished)  Noah is 6 ft 7 and 350-400 lbs.  In that Pic I was an OBESE 210 at 5`11/6 ft or so.  Fat as shit. Strong, but Fat.

A Few months before that-I looked like this in June 21st 2005 and ended up getting much, leaner than that even:

By bodybuilding standards you are smooth in this pic and the only other pics that I have seen of you looking lean are taken under certain lighting conditions to make you look leaner than you really are which you would not need to do if you were as ripped as you claim. No one on here has ever gotten ripped using your bullshit diet including you. I remember when you entered the Mr Getbig contest, you were smooth then too. I gave you second which is what you deserved. If I remember correctly your back had a lot of fat on it. In fact your whole backside was very smooth. Someone should post those pics of you and they will see. You are a delusional clown and  you are good for a few laughs that's about it.

[Roger Bacon]

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[The True Adonis]

By bodybuilding standards you are smooth in this pic and the only other pics that I have seen of you looking lean are taken under certain lighting conditions to make you look leaner than you really are which you would not need to do if you were as ripped as you claim. No one on here has ever gotten ripped using your bullshit diet including you. I remember when you entered the Mr Getbig contest, you were smooth then too. I gave you second which is what you deserved. If I remember correctly your back had a lot of fat on it. In fact your whole backside was very smooth. Someone should post those pics of you and they will see. You are a delusional clown and are you are good for a few laughs that's about it.

Oh I know I was fat in the MR. Getbig pics moron.  I went from 237 lbs to 178 starting in Mid April and ending in September 21st being the contest date, Over 60 lbs in a VERY short time will do nobody any good. (the pic with Noah was 210lbs in 2005 on my journey to the big 237) Ask Big Ach- Its what he used to do to.  Its doable, but you never look as good as you could have.  I don`t do that anymore.  I don`t care about deadlifting 600 plus lbs.  I used to overeat on purpose to do it.  

These days, I fine tune and stay around 170-180 and am much leaner than the Mr. Getbig debacle pics.

I will kick your ass Naturally any day of the week in terms of physique.  How about you pick a date, clean your drugged up ass out, and we will post pics of ourselves, caveat you being Drug Free for long enough to wash your system out of any unfair advantage.  Are you willing to do that?

[C-BuZz]

Oh I know I was fat in the MR. Getbig pics moron.  I went from 237 lbs to 178 starting in Mid April and ending in September 21st being the contest date, Over 60 lbs in a VERY short time will do nobody any good.  Ask Big Ach- Its what he used to do to.  Its doable, but you never look as good as you could have.  I don`t do that anymore.  I don`t care about deadlifting 600 plus lbs.  I used to overeat on purpose to do it.  

These days, I fine tune and stay around 170-180 and am much leaner than the Mr. Getbig debacle pics.

I will kick your ass Naturally any day of the week in terms of physique.  How about you pick a date, clean your drugged up ass out, and we will post pics of ourselves, caveat you being Drug Free for long enough to wash your system out of any unfair advantage.  Are you willing to do that?

I'm down for that. Show you what a real lifetime natural with some muscle looks like.

[The True Adonis]

I'm down for that.

Hey, we may be able to get others involved.  Another Mr. Getbig.  This how the original started. Out of argument. LOL

[C-BuZz]

Hey, we may be able to get others involved.  Another Mr. Getbig.  This how the original started. Out of argument. LOL

I'm down, name the deadline.

[The True Adonis]

I'm down for that. Show you what a real lifetime natural with some muscle looks like.

You look great already!

[The True Adonis]

I'm down, name the deadline.

Lets get some other involved.  Disgusted?  33366 I think wanted in on it.  Big Ach might be interested. 

[The True Adonis]

By bodybuilding standards you are smooth in this pic and the only other pics that I have seen of you looking lean are taken under certain lighting conditions to make you look leaner than you really are which you would not need to do if you were as ripped as you claim. No one on here has ever gotten ripped using your bullshit diet including you. I remember when you entered the Mr Getbig contest, you were smooth then too. I gave you second which is what you deserved. If I remember correctly your back had a lot of fat on it. In fact your whole backside was very smooth. Someone should post those pics of you and they will see. You are a delusional clown and  you are good for a few laughs that's about it.

Yah, I acutally did get much leaner than this blurry picture here to get that 4th ab going. 

[Disgusted]

Lets get some other involved.  Disgusted?  33366 I think wanted in on it.  Big Ach might be interested. 

First of all if you are much leaner now then post a picture it would take you to seconds to do then you can prove us all wrong. Secondly if I was up to it and I'm not what would drugs have to do with anything we both agree I'm sure that getting ripped has nothing to do with any kind of drug.

[Roger Bacon]

Hey, we may be able to get others involved.  Another Mr. Getbig.  This how the original started. Out of argument. LOL

Fuck yes!!! That would be awesome!!

[Roger Bacon]

240 or Bust get the fuck in here! 

[The True Adonis]

First of all if you are much leaner now then post a picture it would take you to seconds to do then you can prove us all wrong. Secondly if I was up to it and I'm not what would drugs have to do with anything we both agree I'm sure that getting ripped has nothing to do with any kind of drug.

I don`t want anyone to get any wrong ideas.  Lets be square on it.  People think being lean has something to do with drugs, it doesn`t, but most never understand that.  Its for their benefit.  

I don`t need to take any pictures right now.  Its almost bed time!

[The True Adonis]

First of all if you are much leaner now then post a picture it would take you to seconds to do then you can prove us all wrong. Secondly if I was up to it and I'm not what would drugs have to do with anything we both agree I'm sure that getting ripped has nothing to do with any kind of drug.

Futhermore, don`t you see a pattern here?  I look the same year after year after year pretty much with the exception of the extremely minor improvements I am carrying right now.  I am a bit leaner and heavier at the weight I am currently at versus any other time- Best shape so far-but I want to do more.  I WILL IMPROVE.  I am training using Layne Nortons PHAT system and will be transitioning over to MFT28 pretty soon.  MFT28 looks to be no joke and I wonder if I can handle it.  I know I can, but keeping up is going to be difficult.

[Disgusted]

I don`t want anyone to get any wrong ideas.  Lets be square on it.  People think being lean has something to do with drugs, it doesn`t, but most never understand that.  Its for their benefit.  

I don`t need to take any pictures right now.  Its almost bed time!

Here's a picture of a guy I helped diet. He lost 60 pounds in 20 weeks. He used Zero fat burners zero GH zero insulin & zero diuretics. So on average he lost 3 pounds of fat a week. Very similar situation to what you had for the Mr Getbig but he is leaner than you.

[The True Adonis]

Here's a picture of a guy I helped diet. He lost 60 pounds in 20 weeks. He used Zero fat burners zero GH zero insulin & zero diuretics. So on average he lost 3 pounds of fat a week. Very similar situation to what you had for the Mr Getbig but he is leaner than you.

I can beat that now I think.  He looks very good in my opinion, but could be leaner.  A lot leaner.  You mentioned he never used any of the above.  I haven`t either.  You didn`t say if he used anything else (In my opinion he looks to be drug free, but its curious that you didn`t say he was a Lifetime Natural)

Look at Brian Whitacre for instance.  Lifetime Natural, very lean.


I also think this kid has a good Lifetime Natural Physique

[Disgusted]

I can beat that now I think.  He looks very good in my opinion, but could be leaner.  A lot leaner.  You mentioned he never used any of the above.  I haven`t either.  You didn`t say if he used anything else (In my opinion he looks to be drug free, but its curious that you didn`t say he was a Lifetime Natural)

Look at Brian Whitacre for instance.  Lifetime Natural, very lean.


I also think this kid has a good Lifetime Natural Physique

It was his first show and first time being lean so yes he can be leaner. I mention GH and fat burners cause most believe one needs special drugs to get lean. Oh and I do believe the kid above could be natural.

[The True Adonis]

It was his first show and first time being lean so yes he can be leaner. I mention GH and fat burners cause most believe one needs special drugs to get lean.

You did a great job with him in my opinion.  I never said your methods don`t work.  However I do take offense when you say that alternatives do not exist.

[Disgusted]

You did a great job with him in my opinion.  I never said your methods don`t work.  However I do take offense when you say that alternatives do not exist.

Thanks. Oh alternatives do exist as far as getting lean I agree. There are however many factors involved when it comes to insulin production fat storage how your fat cells react to certain foods etc.

[Roger Bacon]

Futhermore, don`t you see a pattern here?  I look the same year after year after year pretty much with the exception of the extremely minor improvements I am carrying right now.  I am a bit leaner and heavier at the weight I am currently at versus any other time- Best shape so far-but I want to do more.  I WILL IMPROVE.  I am training using Layne Nortons PHAT system and will be transitioning over to MFT28 pretty soon.  MFT28 looks to be no joke and I wonder if I can handle it.  I know I can, but keeping up is going to be difficult.

Is Layne Natural?

[AbrahamG]

Is Layne Natural?

Naturally douchey!

[The True Adonis]

Is Layne Natural?

I have no reason to suspect that he isn`t. 

[Roger Bacon]

I have no reason to suspect that he isn`t. 

Just did a bunch of reading on PHAT, I think I'll give it a shot in coming weeks...

[The True Adonis]

Just did a bunch of reading on PHAT, I think I'll give it a shot in coming weeks...

I`ve been doing it for 2 months now.  Its very good.  I did Smolov training, never missing a single session last year for legs and was able to add about 60 lbs to my Olympic Squat.  I wish I had done it with Low Bar Squats as I am loving them doing them for the first time and being able to do MUCH more than Olympic Style. (I always did Olympic style, Never Low bar.)


I am going to switch to Greg Plitt`s MFT28 in a month or two, to see how shredded I can really get with it.  It looks brutal, but I am always up for a challenge.  I have been doing my own programs for so long it feels like a breath of fresh air to try new things.  Although I still will do the Adonis 100 again one of these days. (100 reps on each exercise starting with your heaviest weight and dropping weight off until you complete 100 reps-Brutal)