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« on: April 01, 2013, 09:04:41 PM »

Can I drop bf and get lean on 500mg of test

How long should I run this cycle


How long do I need pct after my cycle
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2013, 09:15:14 PM »

Yes.....500 aint shit..youll be fine...

What ester test?

Is that all your gonna run?!
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2013, 09:20:35 PM »

Yes.....500 aint shit..youll be fine...

What ester test?

Is that all your gonna run?!
It's test cyp 250.   I will be taking this alone. 
I have nolva for pct    I would like to run as long as safely possible
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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2013, 09:30:15 PM »

You can stay on that for the rest of your life.    Wink

But 12 to 16 would be fine.
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2013, 09:32:06 PM »

But if your worried about it....run a fast ester test like propionate.

But I would not recommend just running test.
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2013, 09:42:05 PM »

But if your worried about it....run a fast ester test like propionate.

But I would not recommend just running test.
I'm not trying to get huge.  I just wanna push past this plateau I'm having and relieve some joint pain.     Also this should help with fat loss
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2013, 09:42:42 PM »

It's test cyp 250.   I will be taking this alone. 
I have nolva for pct    I would like to run as long as safely possible
Why do you say no test only??
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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2013, 09:43:33 PM »

Run deca or NPP for joint pain
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2013, 10:15:06 PM »

Why???
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2013, 10:20:41 PM »

If you are looking for a joint relief deca or npp (fast acting deca) do the trick and help with getting lean as you want.
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2013, 10:33:02 PM »

i love you brother,in no homosexual way, but id never recommend deca to anyone.

test e or cyp during diet is good enough for the joints and will spare him the deca dick.

id go with 250mg weekly if i was him, i find the hgiher test is during diet,the slower diet goes somehow.

but on 500weekly he shoudl definitely have enough water in the joints imo.

as for the question in op, yeah ofc youll get lean on that diet of yours.quite quickly.

True...that is a possible side. But he wants the leaness and joint relief. But with low levels and 500 mg of test a week he should be fine. 
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2013, 10:40:04 PM »

ok,fair enough.

btw, drj, do you think-whats your opinion-say if diet is all the same, but variuous esters, will 1000mg test e cause more water retention compared to 1000mg prop in the same time?


Funny you should ask...ive tested this theory .....w prop you could notice the film of water between the skin and the muscle was not there like i could see with the enath ester.  This was stacked with masteron, primo and npp.  And anavar and winnie oral.  Did not notice much of a fat burning diffence.  But water retention ...especially in the AM were noticable.
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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2013, 10:45:32 PM »

It was noticeable. I was also running 1mg of arimadx and i ran out so i had some letro laying around.  I ran 2.5 mg ed...when I noticed the water retention in the am I cut it out see if Letro was it....but it was not.
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2013, 10:50:10 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2013, 10:55:08 PM »

i love you brother,in no homosexual way, but id never recommend deca to anyone.

test e or cyp during diet is good enough for the joints and will spare him the deca dick.

id go with 250mg weekly if i was him, i find the hgiher test is during diet,the slower diet goes somehow.

but on 500weekly he shoudl definitely have enough water in the joints imo.

as for the question in op, yeah ofc youll get lean on that diet of yours.quite quickly.

You are correct about tye test retaining water for him...but we are assuming his diet.  If he is eating white fish and greens every 3 hours with no carbs and doing two sessions of cardio a day, the test aint gonna hold shit if h is lean to beging with.  From my experience Norandrolone "lubricates" and makes joint pain go away.  Granted there are some sides...but to every action.......there is an equal and opposite reaction....
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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2013, 11:12:34 PM »

Since the d bols are fast acting can I run them for a few weeks just to frontload??
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« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2013, 11:13:53 PM »

hes not fully shredded yet Cheesy

i feel that on test e the joints only become an issue below say,7%.until there is fine.

thanks,thats very interesting on the prop comparo.it doesnt make sense, as its both the same thing with different ester, but i do believe you.o

also, the ai thing is very interesting

Again you are correct Galeniko....but think about this....with the longer ester (e) you are accumilating test.  Where as with the prop ester is releasing much faster about 3 days for prop and enanthate is ablut 10 or so.  So you have the accumilation.  I had the same thought as you....but you have to look at the in and out time...and the longer ester is slower and it stacking test in the blood steam.  So this equals the accumilation, thus much higher test levels...thus....more water retention....   make sence?
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« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2013, 11:37:45 PM »

with 500 test e / week you can get lean with proper diet, the only thing that is important to get the estrogen in control, if high estrogen the fat loss will be difficult..with high estrogen you can even easily add fat with maintanance calories,,test has fat burning characteristics but only if estrogen is in control...so AI is a must!
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« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2013, 11:50:07 PM »



Funny you should ask...ive tested this theory .....w prop you could notice the film of water between the skin and the muscle was not there like i could see with the enath ester.  This was stacked with masteron, primo and npp.  And anavar and winnie oral.  Did not notice much of a fat burning diffence.  But water retention ...especially in the AM were noticable.
that's because prop has more test mg per mg
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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2013, 12:12:39 AM »

that's because prop has more test mg per mg

Your right...it does.
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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2013, 01:09:38 AM »

Again you are correct Galeniko....but think about this....with the longer ester (e) you are accumilating test.  Where as with the prop ester is releasing much faster about 3 days for prop and enanthate is ablut 10 or so.  So you have the accumilation.  I had the same thought as you....but you have to look at the in and out time...and the longer ester is slower and it stacking test in the blood steam.  So this equals the accumilation, thus much higher test levels...thus....more water retention....   make sence?

but if you cycle off the water retention goes away right? im currently runnin e5d enanthate onyle without arimidex with 2800kcals on 100-200gr carbs daily wanted to get lean by this summer but my weight didnt change my waist got tighter.. and i lost some underbelly fat im on for 10 weeks..
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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2013, 01:24:11 AM »

What do you need test for if you've got a perfect diet?
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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2013, 01:43:02 AM »

Can I drop bf and get lean on 500mg of test

How long should I run this cycle


How long do I need pct after my cycle

Add a couple of proviron a day to get shredded.
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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2013, 01:02:08 PM »

deca+mast and ull have a libido. I added deca over a month ago? I think 8 weeks now? Anyway had mast in it too.. still got libido its just not raging like when i had no deca in there. Kind of better. Otherwise I'm annoying to the wife lmao.

Running very low doses of everything now too.. some may say 'useless' but works fine for me steady results... 200mg test-e, 300mg mast-e, 375mg tren-e, 375mg deca. Still a gram or so but meh Smiley I know galeniko ur for one compound only, i used to be like that, just upping test high but honestly i am more 'stable' than on high test. High test I do miss the super alpha feeling all the time but.. i feel omre normal with low dosages, and each aas does something slightly differently for me so... Plus low dose test, i can up any other aas and i dont get sides from them.. especially tren.. high dose test + tren no matter which dose im ruined.
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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2013, 01:33:12 PM »

but if you cycle off the water retention goes away right? im currently runnin e5d enanthate onyle without arimidex with 2800kcals on 100-200gr carbs daily wanted to get lean by this summer but my weight didnt change my waist got tighter.. and i lost some underbelly fat im on for 10 weeks..

Yes water goes away afer.
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