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hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« on: April 03, 2013, 11:07:10 AM »
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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2013, 11:16:52 AM »
if you havent, you dfinitely should



here you go, the guy is a highly educated person,and this puts some of your diet suggestions iinto question.

its 90minutes, but i think every bbuilder should watch this,its very valueable for anyone.

so many things which i have noticed by myself but wasnt entirely sure are explained and confirmed here.

not knowcking on your diet btw, 150gramms of protein a day and a portion of fries will actully make anyone lean if given enough time, but its far from optimal.

and the calorie is a calorie thing is burried for good by the professor.



I just said this same exact statement. All of these diets will "work" if they are hypo caloric, but that doesn't mean they are OPTIMAL for retaining the most muscle, or burning the most amount of fat possible. I think people are drawn to the easier methods, like IIFYM or Adonis Principles, etc because of cenvenience and ease. (No disrespect to Adonis as I like the guy very much.) But IMO and experience nothing beats the older tried and true methods.
Key concept here being the OPTIMAL way to accomplish your goal.

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2013, 11:21:37 AM »
I just said this same exact statement. All of these diets will "work" if they are hypo caloric, but that doesn't mean they are OPTIMAL for retaining the most muscle, or burning the most amount of fat possible. I think people are drawn to the easier methods, like IIFYM or Adonis Principles, etc because of cenvenience and ease. (No disrespect to Adonis as I like the guy very much.) But IMO and experience nothing beats the older tried and true methods.
Key concept here being the OPTIMAL way to accomplish your goal.

You are pushing the limits of hetero here champ!

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2013, 11:25:53 AM »
You are pushing the limits of hetero here champ!

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2013, 11:53:06 AM »
Great video, great info.


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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2013, 12:42:46 PM »
so what's this vid about? the dangers of sugar?

i was never much a sugar eater when i got ripped on junk food

my biggest sin was loads of saturated fat ie. pizza, french fires, chessebugers, etc

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2013, 12:53:12 PM »
Waiting on Falcon's input.

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2013, 05:20:38 PM »
Reading about and doing the ketogenic diets back in the day I was already aware fructose was metabolized different by the liver. I didn't even eat a piece of fruit for a long time knowing this.

Its true that in today's market that hfcs is everywhere....no wonder everyones fat.


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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2013, 05:28:29 PM »
Reading about and doing the ketogenic diets back in the day I was already aware fructose was metabolized different by the liver. I didn't even eat a piece of fruit for a long time knowing this.

Its true that in today's market that hfcs is everywhere....no wonder everyones fat.




everyone is fat due to excess cals homeslice

and it's got nothing to do with glucose, fructose, blucose or whatever other 'cose you can name

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2013, 05:29:34 PM »
everyone is fat due to excess cals homeslice

and it's got nothing to do with glucose, fructose, blucose or whatever other 'cose you can name

everyones fat cause they're too stupid to know what is what.

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2013, 05:34:40 PM »
you are a quarter educated fool and have no idea what youre talking about

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fyi, i'm sitting @ sub-7 right now with veins running up and down my ab wall ;)

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2013, 05:38:43 PM »
he says fruit are kinda ok for they have fiber and are nutritious, but yeah,damn, sugar and fructose,i had no idea it was that bad.and alcohol,i always wondered about how that is metabolized.

now i know :-X

this video alone is motivational enough for me to keep eating clean.the visceral fat and metabolic syndrom topic was interesting aswell.

the people are so dumb to think a can of coke isnt bad, or fruit juice is healthy, theyre so stupid and they dont realize why they get fat.

and precsely these ppl develop the metabolic syndrome.slowly but surely.

its also interesting what he says on working out and cardio.

its a travesty what mags are putting into print.
you are a quarter educated fool and have no idea what youre talking about

Yeah I was too extreme back then but I still won't eat fruit during a cut. And definitely all that stuff will have a more negative effect if you live a sedentary life style. We'd be ok but not optimal as you said before. I like to make every calorie count...
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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2013, 05:40:06 PM »
I didn't read. You will lose weight in a caloric deficit.

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2013, 05:47:52 PM »
;D ;D ;D

fyi, i'm sitting @ sub-7 right now with veins running up and down my ab wall ;)
How did you attain this?

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2013, 05:48:32 PM »
I find a great way to lose weight is to drink nothing all day but water.  If you cut out juice/milk/soda/beer that's a ton of calories.

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2013, 05:49:20 PM »
brother,do you even lift?

you know, your advice is for ppl who read fmh and want "lose some weight"

losing weight and losing fat isnt the same thing

and as for losing weight in calric deficit, well, lets see.have a generous carb up day,and then feed yourself nothing but beer and oreos,staying at maintainanc calorie intake for a week and see what hapens.
I will use the Adonis principles in that case.

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2013, 05:58:02 PM »
im not sure you even train, beyond lifting the booze to your mouth daily, so why would you worry about diet
Decent assesment. People have demons. I still look better then Pellius. Have you seen Hostel?

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2013, 06:01:40 PM »
How did you attain this?

cutting calories, that's how

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2013, 06:10:10 PM »
yeah seen hostel,why

lol pellius ;D
I picture you wearing an Addidas track suit 24/7. Hold on, I will gove you a compliment. You look good.

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2013, 06:14:40 PM »
cutting calories, that's how

Let's see some pics, champ. I'd like to see what your methods have produced.

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2013, 08:38:51 PM »
Being lean and being healthy are two entirely different things. Lots of lean guys who are the picture of health drop dead daily. The average American eats about 140 pounds of various sugars per year.

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2013, 10:23:42 PM »
So much for caloric deficit and fat loss.


“[Certain genetically obese mice] will fatten excessively regardless of how much they eat. The obesity is not dependent on the number of calories they consume… “These mice will make fat out of their food under the most unlikely circumstances, even when half starved,” [researcher Jean] Mayer had reported. And if starved sufficiently, these animals can be reduced to the same weight as lean mice, but they’ll still be fatter. They will consume the protein in their muscles and organs rather than surrender the fat in their [fat] tissue. Indeed, when these fat mice are starved, they do not become lean mice… they become emaciated versions of fat mice.

Francis Benedict reported this in 1936, when he fasted a strain of obese mice. They lost 60 percent of their body fat before they died of starvation, but still had five times as much body fat as lean mice (!!!!!!)* that were allowed to eat as much as they desired.”


“In 1981, M.R.C. Greenwood reported that if she restricted the diet of an obese strain of rats known as Zucker rats… and did it from birth onward, these rats would actually grow fatter by adulthood than their littermates who were allowed to eat to their hearts’ content. Clearly, the number of calories these rats consumed over the course of their life was not the critical factor in their obesity (unless we are prepared to argue that eating fewer calories induces greater obesity)… these semi-starved Zucker rats had 50% less muscle mass than genetically lean rats, and 30% less muscle mass than the Zucker rats that ate as much as they wanted. They, too, were sacrificing their muscles and organs to make fat.”

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2013, 11:36:58 PM »
Despite half a century of research there is still no evidence that natural saturated fat (like butter, eggs etc.) is anything but completely safe to eat.

Have a look at these recent reviews of all the evidence:

Insufficient evidence of association is present for intake of … saturated or polyunsaturated fatty acids; total fat … meat, eggs and milk.

Mente A, et al. A systematic review of the evidence supporting a causal link between dietary factors and coronary heart disease. Arch Intern Med. 2009 Apr 13;169(7):659-69.
There were no clear effects of dietary fat changes on total mortality or cardiovascular mortality…

Hooper L, et al. Reduced or modified dietary fat for preventing cardiovascular disease. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2011 Jul 6;(7):CD002137.
…no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD.

Siri-Tarino PW, et al. Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease. Am J Clin Nutr. 2010 Mar;91(3):535-46.
But wait, what about butter and other high fat dairy specifically? Well, actually people consuming it are if anything thinner and healthier than others:

The observational evidence does not support the hypothesis that dairy fat or high-fat dairy foods contribute to obesity or cardiometabolic risk…

Kratz M, et al. The relationship between high-fat dairy consumption and obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease. European Journal of Nutrition, Online First™, 18 July 2012
This means that the scientific foundation of the low fat dietary advice has fallen. The reasons for it today are mainly economical (low fat high sugar products are very lucrative and finances a lot of lobbying), combined with old-fashioned prestige and inertia.

The low fat dietary advice has become a house of cards with nothing to support it. It is just a question of time before it’s apparent to everybody.

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Re: hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2013, 12:40:34 AM »
Being lean and being healthy are two entirely different things. Lots of lean guys who are the picture of health drop dead daily. The average American eats about 140 pounds of various sugars per year.

IMO

genetics=health