hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?

[Papper]

I find a great way to lose weight is to drink nothing all day but water.  If you cut out juice/milk/soda/beer that's a ton of calories.

I never understand people wanting to lose weight who goes on diets, but they still drink fruit juice. Fruit juice is the devil, concentrated sugar. Even if it's no added sugar, it is a hell of a lot sugar to gulp down breakfast, lunch etc.

I always drink water and never a whole glass of milk, juice or soda.

I do drink coffee and sometimes a zero carb soda like Pepsi Max to keep me from losing my mind 

[BigCyp]

Good points Disgusted re Sat fats.

It's taken me years to convince my wife that there is 0% health risks associated with eating full fat milk, cream, bacon fat, beef fat, yoghurt with fat lol!

Obviously if you have an unbalanced diet, the LACK of vital nutrients (not the slight SURPLUS) of macronutrients such as Sat Fat, will be the root issue of related health problems!

When dieting, if your goal is to lose bodyfat, you obviously dont want to be eating too much sat fat @ 9kcal per gram lol, but if you fancy a bit then fuck it! Just don't eat over your calorie deficit.

[FitnessFrenzy]

Waiting on Falcon's input.

first time we have heard that one.

[Hulkotron]

I never understand people wanting to lose weight who goes on diets, but they still drink fruit juice. Fruit juice is the devil, concentrated sugar. Even if it's no added sugar, it is a hell of a lot sugar to gulp down breakfast, lunch etc.

I always drink water and never a whole glass of milk, juice or soda.

I do drink coffee and sometimes a zero carb soda like Pepsi Max to keep me from losing my mind 

Yes x1000.  For example it's super-easy to suck down a big glass of orange juice for breakfast and a large soda at lunch.  That's probably near 600 calories.  Replace that with water and there's your caloric deficit for a day or two.

[dj181]

trying to think of an apropos Shitels tune here for this thread, maybe this will do....

[jprc10]

Cliff notes?
Don't need them really, as I can guess what nonsense the guy was spewing from all the posts here. There is no easier way to lose weight/fat drug free than with a calorie déficit, I'd dare say there is no other way. All this crap about eating "clean", "healthy", "keto" or any other nonsense is just that, nonsense. Try to eat in surplus or maintenance level of calories with all the "perfect" foods you can think of, let's see if you lose any weight. It may be required for elite competitive bodybuilding, but for anybody else just trying to look good it is a waste imo. There is nothing wrong with fruit or any other sugar either, if one is in a déficit, fat will be lost even while eating fructose or any other sugar.

I agree with dj in that genetics=health. And lol at using studies done on mice for a conclusión on humans.   Want to know about an experiment done on a human being that shows calorie déficit >>any diet, for fat loss, health, etc? Search for Twinkie Diet by Profess. Mark Haub...or better yet, search for Mcdonalds diet by Chazz Weaver.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Cliff notes?
Don't need them really, as I can guess what nonsense the guy was spewing from all the posts here. There is no easier way to lose weight/fat drug free than with a calorie déficit, I'd dare say there is no other way. All this crap about eating "clean", "healthy", "keto" or any other nonsense is just that, nonsense,,,it may be required for elite competitive bodybuilding, but for anybody else just trying to look good it is a waste imo. There is also nothing wrong with fruit or any other sugar, if one is in a déficit, fat will be lost even while eating fructose or any other sugar.

I agree with dj in that genetics=health. And lol at using studies done on mice for a conclusión on humans.   Want to know about an experiment done on a human being that shows calorie déficit >>any diet, for fat loss, health, etc? Search for Twinkie Diet by Profess. Mark Haub...or better yet, search for Mcdonalds diet by Chazz Weaver.

Yeah bro, but this is a bodybuilding board. By nature many of us want to use OPTIMAL methods for achieving the best results....not subpar results.  Hence why we watch vids done by boring Biochem professors. It's not nonsense, this isn't the Men's Health board.

[Borracho]

Want to know about an experiment done on a human being that shows calorie déficit >>any diet, for fat loss, health, etc? Search for Twinkie Diet by Profess. Mark Haub...or better yet, search for Mcdonalds diet by Chazz Weaver.

Curious what bf levels these guys made it to on these diets....

[dj181]

There is no easier way to lose weight/fat drug free than with a calorie déficit, I'd dare say there is no other way. All this crap about eating "clean", "healthy", "keto" or any other nonsense is just that, nonsense.

ex-fucking-actly

[jprc10]

Yeah bro, but this is a bodybuilding board. By nature many of us want to use OPTIMAL methods for achieving the best results....not subpar results.  Hence why we watch vids done by boring Biochem professors. It's not nonsense, this isn't the Men's Health board.

Was this doctor's lecture aimed at bodybuilders?

[Disgusted]

IMO

genetics=health

No genetics is the gun, diet is the trigger.

[jprc10]

Curious what bf levels these guys made it to on these diets....

I don't have the exact numbers (google them if you want to know), but the profesor lost quite a bit of weight, obviously he wasn't ripped as it wasn't his intention to. Chazz Weaver on the other hand got to be pretty lean with it, again google him if you want to know.

But if you really want proof about how any diet works or how one can eat anything and get ripped just using a calorie déficit, look no further than past bodybuilders like Mentzer or current drug free guys like Alberto Nunez or that guy Timberwolf.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Was this doctor's lecture aimed at bodybuilders?

Does not matter....enzyme kinetics are still constant.

[el numero uno]

I don't have the exact numbers (google them if you want to know), but the profesor lost quite a bit of weight, obviously he wasn't ripped as it wasn't his intention to. Chazz Weaver on the other hand got to be pretty lean with it, again google him if you want to know.

But if you really want proof about how any diet works or how one can eat anything and get ripped just using a calorie déficit, look no further than past bodybuilders like Mentzer or current drug free guys like Alberto Nunez or that guy Timberwolf.

 

[el numero uno]

I don't have the exact numbers (google them if you want to know), but the profesor lost quite a bit of weight, obviously he wasn't ripped as it wasn't his intention to. Chazz Weaver on the other hand got to be pretty lean with it, again google him if you want to know.

But if you really want proof about how any diet works or how one can eat anything and get ripped just using a calorie déficit, look no further than past bodybuilders like Mentzer or current drug free guys like Alberto Nunez or that guy Timberwolf.

Here's an example of a guy on a diet based on the principles you talk about.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=346726.0

Meal 1 = milk and protein powder = 275cals - 35p, 14c, 10f

Meal 2 = milk and protein powder = 275cals - 35p, 14c, 10f

Meal 3 = Chinese Style Chicken curry + egg fried rice = 556cals, 31p, 65c, 17f

Hiit cardio - 5 mins warmup /5 mins 20-10sec /5 mins cool down

Snack - 2 kitkats = 214cals - 2p, 26c, 10f

Meal 4 - Sweet and Sour Chicken + egg fried rice = 540cals, 32p, 84c, 7f

Daily Totals = 1991cals -140p, 212c, 61f

That pic is the "after", after 3-4 months of dieting.

[jprc10]

Does not matter....enzyme kinetics are still constant.

What do you mean it doesn't matter?   It matters if regular people or regular trainees listen to him since it will: 1. confuse them for no reason. 2. Be completely useless and pointless for them. 3. They could reach their physique goals without it.
You said so yourself and I agree, if we're talking about competitive bodybuilding, then it may be useful info.

[jprc10]

Here's an example of a guy on a diet based on the principles you talk about.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=346726.0

Lol, for one person that failed with it you'll have five that succeeded, same with all the other "diets".

[Big Chiro Flex]

What do you mean it doesn't matter?   It matters if regular people or regular trainees listen to him since it will: 1. confuse them for no reason. 2. Be completely useless and pointless for them. 3. They could reach their physique goals without it.
You said so yourself and I agree, if we're talking about competitive bodybuilding, then it may be useful info.

Hey fuck you pal!!!

JK   I dunno what we're arguing about. Yeah Im saying his principles are basic nutritional principles, they apply to everyone, so they are the BEST, or the most OPTIMAL. But, yah I agree that if someone doesn't care about the most optimal methods, use whatever hypocaloric deal you want. It's certainly easier to eat bad foods when dieting, but it won't achieve the most optimal results.

[el numero uno]

Lol, for one person that failed with it you'll have five that succeeded, same with all the other "diets".

Uhm, I don't think he's the only one that failed at getting ripped on hamburguers and candies.

[jprc10]

Hey fuck you pal!!!

JK   I dunno what we're arguing about. Yeah Im saying his principles are basic nutritional principles, they apply to everyone, so they are the BEST, or the most OPTIMAL. But, yah I agree that if someone doesn't care about the most optimal methods, use whatever hypocaloric deal you want. It's certainly easier to eat bad foods when dieting, but it won't achieve the most optimal results.

But here is the thing, what are optimal results? Wouldn't optimal be if a person reaches his particular goals? If someone is able to lose weight, get lean or even ripped while following their own "diet", then his way would be optimal. Who is to say what is optimal and what isn't?
Since you guys like using bodybuilders as examples of diet success, take a look at Shawn Ray, I remember watching a video of him showing that he ate fruit everyday during his contest preparation. Would you say his way was not optimal even if he got shredded with it?

[dj181]

Lol, for one person that failed with it you'll have five that succeeded, same with all the other "diets".

he might have "imagined" that he was following that "diet"

but i guar-goddamn-tee that he wasn't

he ate those cals plus lots extra that he "forgot" to mention

[jprc10]

Uhm, I don't think he's the only one that failed at getting ripped on hamburguers and candies.

Ok Ok, for every 10th person that failed you'll have another ten people that succeeded. Same as with any other diet.  

[el numero uno]

Ok Ok, for every 10th person that failed you'll have another ten people that succeeded. Same as with any other diet.  

Good, so you agree that with the diet you talk about a lot of guys will also fail. 

[jprc10]

he might have "imagined" that he was following that "diet"

but i guar-goddamn-tee that he wasn't

he ate those cals plus lots extra that he "forgot" to mention

I agree he was probably still overeating.

I also saw that midway and towards the end of his diet he was consuming almost 3000 calories, no wonder he didn't lose anymore, I think there is the answer.

[el numero uno]

You guys are guessing, that proves nothing. The guy was genetically chubby, and a diet like that just didn't work for him. IMO It would have worked for an ectomorph, althought it would be really hard for them to be that fat in the first place.