hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?

[jprc10]

Good, so you agree that with the diet you talk about a lot of guys will also fail. 

Yes, typically by either, most of the times, still overeating or sometimes cutting calories too low too quick without any refeeds.

imo, the best diet is the one you can stick to without any problems for a long time and helps you reach your goals, but you can't deny that an energy deficit is what causes fat loss, at least if we're speaking from a drug free point of view. You can eat all the so called perfect foods all you want, if you're overeating you'll still get fat and if you're not in a deficit you probably won't lose any.

[Borracho]

You guys are guessing, that proves nothing. The guy was genetically chubby, and a diet like that just didn't work for him. IMO It would have worked for an ectomorph, althought it would be really hard for them to be that fat in the first place.

I don't get this arguing about diet stuff. I know what works for me after trying every single diet out there and I will stick to that. Most of these eat whatever you want guys look like shit cause when it comes to gaining mass they eat the same...just more of it.

[el numero uno]

Yes, typically by either, most of the times, still overeating or sometimes cutting calories too low too quick without any refeeds.

imo, the best diet is the one you can stick to without any problems for a long time and helps you reach your goals, but you can't deny that an energy deficit is what causes fat loss, at least if we're speaking from a drug free point of view. You can eat all the so called perfect foods all you want, if you're overeating you'll still get fat and if you're not in a deficit you probably won't lose any.

I agree with that, but I still think that it's more complicated that just calories in vs calories out.

[BigCyp]

I'll throw this out there also:

Dieting with 'clean' food, as opposed to the same number of calories per day of 'whatever goes/adonis principles' does more than just lose body fat, and help you acheive asthetical goals - you will GAIN discipline, you will GAIN mental and physical benefits from cutting out junk like HFCS and other refined shit!

You will GAIN a lesson on how to say no, which can run into other areas of your life.

[jprc10]

I'll throw this out there also:

Dieting with 'clean' food, as opposed to the same number of calories per day of 'whatever goes/adonis principles' does more than just lose body fat, and help you acheive asthetical goals - you will GAIN discipline, you will GAIN mental and physical benefits from cutting out junk like HFCS and other refined shit!

You will GAIN a lesson on how to say no, which can run into other areas of your life.

This makes no sense at all.

[Hulkotron]

This makes no sense at all.

Watch your whore mouth around Big Cyp.

[Rammstein]

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Controversial-Science/dp/1400033462

[Nails]

Will Brink Shits all over that guy

[Big Chiro Flex]

Watch your whore mouth around Big Cyp.

 

[Mr Nobody]

Will Brink Shits all over that guy

Clearly Will's methods stimulate ear growth.

[Twaddle]

I just watched this entire video.  His main point at the end is:  "A calorie is not a calorie."  He repeated it several times, and backed it up with science.  I guess I have to give up my Kit Kat diet now.   

[haider]

sounds like galeniko wants to do things of sexual nature's with Dr. Lustig

[Disgusted]

Adam is MIA.

[Twaddle]

thats a very short summary,lol, but you dont really have to give up anything.

but i know for sure know how ill handle sugar and fructose, its not suprising they make ppl fat, when one knows where it can be stored and how much, its easy to figure out that one will absolutely spill over.

he said though, that some bit sugar is ok for "athletes".

The real killer for me is what he said about alcohol.     Guess I need to cut back.  Or, I could cut out all sugars, and drink more.   

[haider]

I remember Alan Aragon debating this dude shortly after this clip came out and basically dismantled his whole argument. For example, he pointed out that Lustig's contention that the Japanese diet doesn't contain fructose is false, and that it varies from region to region.

I'm sure I could dig it up if I tried, this was like 2 years ago.

[Twaddle]

I remember Alan Aragon debating this dude shortly after this clip came out and basically dismantled his whole argument. For example, he pointed out that Lustig's contention that the Japanese diet doesn't contain fructose is false, and that it varies from region to region.

I'm sure I could dig it up if I tried, this was like 2 years ago.

Please do.  This Lustig fella is very compelling.  When I used to eat extremely clean (no added sugars), I was the healthiest, and felt the best I ever have.  The sugars play a role in the hormonal process for sure. 

[Twaddle]

Adam is MIA.

Maybe Avesher got to him.   

[Disgusted]

Maybe Avesher got to him.   

Or maybe he realizes all calories are not the same.

[haider]

Alan Aragon's response to the video:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

Summary of their debate:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/02/19/a-retrospective-of-the-fructose-alarmism-debate/

[haider]

ill be glad to check the links youve provided, but the video is newer than 2 years.

look, some ppl point out very minimal flaws in what he cited, but the overall message is very clear.

theres nothing upto debate on how fructose and sugar are metabolised.

and i mean, everyones free to try for themselves, live on mostly sugar based diet and see.

no, alan really gets to the meat of the argument regarding sugar and obesity epidemic rather than getting hung up on minor details.

sounds like haider is some fatso who likes his kitkats

lighten up a little 

[Jovo]

I used to be about this science bullshit a year back, and how it makes "dieting" easier and what not.

In reality it makes it harder. I think the only people who shuld be anal about dieting is the ones on steroids, i find eating 3  normal meals a day, with highish protein, high carbs and medium fat is pretty optimal and doesnt consume my life. Easier than sitting there and "calculating" how much food i have eaten just to be able to eat some sugary shit which gives me pimples. fuck that.

[Disgusted]

I used to be about this science bullshit a year back, and how it makes "dieting" easier and what not.

In reality it makes it harder. I think the only people who shuld be anal about dieting is the ones on steroids, i find eating 3  normal meals a day, with highish protein, high carbs and medium fat is pretty optimal and doesnt consume my life. Easier than sitting there and "calculating" how much food i have eaten just to be able to eat some sugary shit which gives me pimples. fuck that.

There is no calculating at all, just don't eat anything with sugar in it and for the people who whine about not being able to give up junk food then go ahead and eat it. These are the one's who will become diabetic later in life and be on tons of meds with health problems.

[The True Adonis]

Adam is MIA.

No point in debating this useless issue.  Aragon already did so and destroyed Lustig. I don`t really care to waste time on this anymore.  If people want to be miserable limiting themselves, so be it.  I won`t be in that crowd, thats for sure.

I will have my cake and I will eat it too.

[The True Adonis]

Please do.  This Lustig fella is very compelling.  When I used to eat extremely clean (no added sugars), I was the healthiest, and felt the best I ever have.  The sugars play a role in the hormonal process for sure. 

I have eaten "clean" before, year round for a few years and even dieted "clean".  I was the absolute weakest on those cuts.  Embarrassingly so.  It was awful and I looked worse than any other approach.  On MuscleMayhem I had a daily log and I was following Wes diet of carb cycling to the T with ZERO variations.  It was awful.

[King Shizzo]

I have eaten "clean" before, year round for a few years and even dieted "clean".  I was the absolute weakest on those cuts.  Embarrassingly so.  It was awful and I looked worse than any other approach.  On MuscleMayhem I had a daily log and I was following Wes diet of carb cycling to the T with ZERO variations.  It was awful.

Team Southern Gentlemen.