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Obamacare will kill off some existing health plans (exempt RATS knew all along)
MSN ^ | 4/03/13 | Jason Notte
Posted on April 3, 2013 7:00:03 PM EDT by Libloather

Cheap, no-frills insurance that doesn't cover medication, maternity or mental health services will get the scalpel in 2014.

Know that health care plan you just signed up for? Don't get too attached.

The Affordable Care Act mandate most commonly known as Obamacare has some tight stipulations that, CNN says, are forcing health care companies to rip up most of their current plans and draft new ones that comply. According to a University of Chicago study, just about half of the individual health care plans currently on the market won't cut it once key provisions of the Affordable Care Act kick in next year.

A handful of existing plans will be grandfathered in if members have been enrolled in the plan since before the ACA passed in 2010, and the plan has maintained steady co-pay, deductible and coverage rates. But plans that don't match that description are just going to flat-out disappear in 2014 when rules requiring enhanced coverage go into effect.

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2013, 05:26:31 AM »
Wait, wait, wait. I thought the moron in chief said we could keep our insurance coverage if we wanted.

He didn't say that?

Strange. This video shows him saying it. Starting at 1:22 of the video.
Seems like only union workers will be the only ones to keep their health care plans as is.


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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2013, 05:29:14 AM »
You can keep your doctor and health plan!!!



HAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!

And then the stupid leftists on this board wonder why Obama is criticized?
How can you fools act like there is nothing wrong with what he has done in the past 5 years?

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2013, 05:30:03 AM »
Because 33 told you so.

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2013, 06:44:23 AM »
On the bright side if you purchase your own, the rates will be much cheaper and the stupid pre existing and riders conditions will be done away with.

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2013, 07:05:21 AM »
On the bright side if you purchase your own, the rates will be much cheaper and the stupid pre existing and riders conditions will be done away with.

Not if you are a healthy man, and especially not if you are healthy, young man.

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2013, 07:09:01 AM »
Not if you are a healthy man, and especially not if you are healthy, young man.

Correct - rates for young healthy men are set to explode since the plans will now be forced to cover pregnancy, maternity, birth control, alcoholism treatment, eye, dental, depression, everything soup to nuts. 

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2013, 07:40:16 AM »
I just read something the other week that said the health insurance rates for men and women were going to be more in line with each other and about the same than they are now.

I will try to find it when I get home tonight.

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2013, 07:41:59 AM »
I just read something the other week that said the health insurance rates for men and women were going to be more in line with each other and about the same than they are now.

I will try to find it when I get home tonight.

Yes - rates for men are going way up to meet that for women and be forced to cover the same stuff even though you will never possibly use it. 

So the rates for women will go higher, but the rates for men will go WAY higher to match what women pay, both at a much higher rate. 

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2013, 08:26:27 AM »
I just read something the other week that said the health insurance rates for men and women were going to be more in line with each other and about the same than they are now.

I will try to find it when I get home tonight.
That would make sense since they're going to require that men and women both carry the same coverage, which makes no fucking sense. Sounds like they're trying to spin it to make people think that its a positive.

"Mens and womens rates are going to be the same now!"

Trying to cover up the fact that mens rates are going to go up to include all the shit that they dont need and will never use because it's specifically for women.

Who the fuck would think that it makes sense to force men to have maternity coverage? I mean really? Im sure there is shit that they're going to require women to carry that is men only.... only thing I can think of is that the insurance companies want this, it gives them higher premiums with next to zero risk of having to pay out on those things.

I fucking hate insurance companies, legal theivery.

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2013, 08:28:57 AM »
I just read something the other week that said the health insurance rates for men and women were going to be more in line with each other and about the same than they are now.

I will try to find it when I get home tonight.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:22pm EDT
By Jeff Mason and David Morgan

WASHINGTON, March 26 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama's top healthcare adviser acknowledged on Tuesday that costs could rise in the individual health insurance market, particularly for men and younger people, because of the landmark 2010 healthcare restructuring due to take effect next year.

U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said definitive data on costs will not be available until later this year when private health plans become authorized to sell federally subsidized coverage on new state-based online marketplaces, known as exchanges.

"Everything is speculation. I think there's likely to be some shifting in the markets," she told reporters at the White House.

The law, also known as "Obamacare," eliminates discriminatory market practices that have imposed higher rates on women and people with medical conditions.

It also limits how much insurers can charge older people. But while the changes are expected to lower costs for women, older beneficiaries and the sick, men and younger, healthier people will likely see higher rates as insurers try to hedge against continued risks.

"Women are going to see some lower costs, some men are going to see some higher costs. It's sort of a one to one shift ... some of the older customers may see a slight decline, and some of the younger ones are going to see a slight increase."

Insurance premiums could rise for some with individual plans, she said, as Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act enhances the level of coverage and either eliminates or reduces the rate of price discrimination against people who are older, female or have preexisting medical conditions.
 
"These folks will be moving into a really fully insured product for the first time, so there may be a higher cost associated with getting into that market," Sebelius said.

But those who qualify for federal subsidies through state healthcare exchanges would still get a better deal, she said.

Her remarks coincide with growing uneasiness about possible cost increases among lawmakers and executives in the $2.8 trillion U.S. healthcare industry.

A new study released on Tuesday by the nonpartisan Society of Actuaries estimates that individual premiums will rise 32 percent on average nationwide within three years, partly as a result of higher risk pools. Changes would vary by state, from an 80 percent hike in Wisconsin to a 14 percent reduction in New York.

Obama's healthcare restructuring, the signature domestic policy achievement of his first term, is expected to provide coverage to more than 30 million people beginning on Jan. 1, 2014, both through the state exchanges and a planned expansion of the government-run Medicaid program for the poor.

Subsidies in the form of premium tax credits, available on a sliding scale according to income, are expected to mitigate higher costs for many new beneficiaries.

But the insurance industry, which is set to gain millions of new customers under the law, is warning of soaring premium costs next year because of new regulations that include the need to offer a broader scale of health benefits than some insurers do now.

That has raised concerns about people with individual policies not subject to subsidies and the potential for cost spillovers into the market for employer-sponsored plans, which according to U.S. Census data, cover about half of U.S. workers.

'LITTLE IMPACT'

Sebelius dismissed the idea of significant change for employer plans, saying that market segment was "likely to see very little impact."

Separately, a Democratic U.S. senator on Tuesday said the federal government has limited scope to help millions of people likely to remain without affordable health insurance under the new law.

Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, a member of the Senate Finance Committee, released a report submitted to the panel by the administration that outlines an "employee choice" policy that would allow some employers to offer a wider range of coverage choices to their workers at reduced rates for 2014.

But Wyden said the approach would not help many of the nearly 4 million worker dependents who may have to forego subsidized private health coverage as a result of an IRS ruling.

"Even in the states that allow for employee choice, it will be limited to a small number of workers," Wyden said.

The law would have most people with employer insurance remain under their current plans. Workers can opt for subsidized coverage if their employer plan is unaffordable, but only according to a narrow definition of what is affordable.

The IRS ruled in January that the cost of insuring a worker's family will be considered unaffordable if the employee's contribution to an individual coverage plan exceeded 9.5 percent of that person's income. That rule ignores the fact that family coverage is far more expensive than individual coverage.

As a result, the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that 3.9 million family dependents could be left unable either to afford employer-sponsored family coverage or to obtain federally subsidized insurance through an exchange.


In its report to the Senate committee, Sebelius' department said some employers could claim a tax credit in 2014 to make coverage more affordable and offer workers a range of coverage plans through state-based exchanges. (Writing by David Morgan; Editing by Fred Barbash and Paul Simao)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/26/usa-healthcare-sebelius-idUSL2N0CI1BX20130326

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2013, 08:33:23 AM »
LOL - wait till these saps have to renew next year. 

FNg dopes

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2013, 09:53:52 AM »
Obamacare will kill off some existing health plans (exempt RATS knew all along)
MSN ^ | 4/03/13 | Jason Notte
Posted on April 3, 2013 7:00:03 PM EDT by Libloather

Cheap, no-frills insurance that doesn't cover medication, maternity or mental health services will get the scalpel in 2014.

Know that health care plan you just signed up for? Don't get too attached.

The Affordable Care Act mandate most commonly known as Obamacare has some tight stipulations that, CNN says, are forcing health care companies to rip up most of their current plans and draft new ones that comply. According to a University of Chicago study, just about half of the individual health care plans currently on the market won't cut it once key provisions of the Affordable Care Act kick in next year.

A handful of existing plans will be grandfathered in if members have been enrolled in the plan since before the ACA passed in 2010, and the plan has maintained steady co-pay, deductible and coverage rates. But plans that don't match that description are just going to flat-out disappear in 2014 when rules requiring enhanced coverage go into effect.

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stalking me again

what's wrong - did TBombz stop taking your calls

I don't have cheap/no frills insurance

I posted what I had on this board and even sent you a link so that you could try to get it yourself....remember

Your time is better spent searching for photos of TBombz on the interweb though it seems that Fury has a crush on you so maybe you should give him some attention


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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2013, 09:56:17 AM »
stalking me again

what's wrong - did TBombz stop taking your calls

I don't have cheap/no frills insurance

I posted what I had on this board and even sent you a link so that you could try to get it yourself....remember

Your time is better spent searching for photos of TBombz on the interweb though it seems that Fury has a crush on you so maybe you should give him some attention



Did you even read the article.   It wont be in compliance in 2014 and you are going to have to get a new plan. 

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2013, 10:04:09 AM »
Did you even read the article.   It wont be in compliance in 2014 and you are going to have to get a new plan. 

Of course I read it dipshit

it says the same thing that I've read before and I checked with my agent the first time you brought this up and he said (direct quote from email to me)

"It conforms to all the requirements under the act: maternity benefits, unlimited benefit and it is a permanent policy"

he also said that the plan may be slightly modified if necessary in 2014 but that there would be no major changes

Weren't you begging me to send you info on my plan a couple of months ago?

Now, why are you stalking me.

Aren't you the one who cries like a little bitch when I merely reply to your posts

Why are you starting threads about me ?

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2013, 10:27:21 AM »
Geez dude - just busting balls.   WTF

Of course I read it dipshit

it says the same thing that I've read before and I checked with my agent the first time you brought this up and he said (direct quote from email to me)

"It conforms to all the requirements under the act: maternity benefits, unlimited benefit and it is a permanent policy"

he also said that the plan may be slightly modified if necessary in 2014 but that there would be no major changes

Weren't you begging me to send you info on my plan a couple of months ago?

Now, why are you stalking me.

Aren't you the one who cries like a little bitch when I merely reply to your posts

Why are you starting threads about me ?

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Re: Straw Man - time to talk to your agent. ObamaCare ending your plan.
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2013, 10:41:34 AM »
Geez dude - just busting balls.   WTF


then stop pissing and moaning when I reply to your posts