Driven Sports Craziness over Craze Discussion

[Van_Bilderass]

The wonderful world of the supplement industry  

http://patrickarnoldblog.com/craziness-over-craze/

"Well, in early February that suspicion reached a fever pitch when federal police in Australia announced that Craze (which has been a popular import there) was found to contain a methamphetamine analog. It appears from various sources that the analog they were referring to is N-alpha-diethyl-benzeneethanamine."

[Nails]

who is this douche bag trying to pass off as Patrick Schwarzenegger

[Big Chiro Flex]

Nothing new that these PWOs contain methamphetamine analogs. DMAA was one as well I thought? Hell of a training boost.

[Van_Bilderass]

Nothing new that these PWOs contain methamphetamine analogs. DMAA was one as well I thought? Hell of a training boost.

I'm not a chemist but I don't think DMAA is a meth analog.

The real problem from my point of view is the misbranding. I'd rather know what I was taking.

[Big Chiro Flex]

I'm not a chemist but I don't think DMAA is a meth analog.

The real problem from my point of view is the misbranding. I'd rather know what I was taking.

I dunno, thought I read that, that's why they discontinued it in the states.

Yeah, shady supp industry.

[Jovo]

I knew it from the start.

It doesn't take a scientific experiment to prove to me how similar the effects of the two are.

Just that craze doesnt last no where near as long

[Purge_WTF]

Yeah, I believe this--just like I believe that creatine causes cancer and that ephedra killed Steve Bechler.

[Van_Bilderass]

Yeah, I believe this--just like I believe that creatine causes cancer and that ephedra killed Steve Bechler.

Where's the similarity?

This isn't about health issues.

[Jovo]

Where's the similarity?

This isn't about health issues.

the crash can get terrible at times.

I think what is bad about this its not really "active" per say, its more pro drug with a substance that keeps it in liver longer.. so how well it will work depends on what you ate and how your body chemistry is that time of the day.

I remember I took it once and wanted to kill my self after the work out, Like literally just wanted to end it then and there. Come down is not worth the come up. IME.

[Purge_WTF]

Where's the similarity?

This isn't about health issues.

But I think it is about hasty reporting on the part of its perpetrators. Someone posted an article or study over at BB.com about how Craze was free of banned substances. The rumors seemed to have been started by Patrick Arnold-esque trolls who didn't like the competition.

[Van_Bilderass]

But I think it is about hasty reporting on the part of its perpetrators. Someone posted an article or study over at BB.com about how Craze was free of banned substances. The rumors seemed to have been started by Patrick Arnold-esque trolls who didn't like the competition.

If it's true that Australia stopped all imports then it's not a rumor.

If it's true that they put in a previously unknown designer drug, a meth analogue, in the product,
AND put a compound with the same molecular weight on the label to fool testers, then that is shady
indeed.

This company put out Superdrol first. The owner did time for selling DNP to a girl who died. So this
stuff isn't beyond them at all IMO. We'll see.

[Purge_WTF]

If it's true that Australia stopped all imports then it's not a rumor.

If it's true that they put in a previously unknown designer drug, a meth analogue, in the product,
AND put a compound with the same molecular weight on the label to fool testers, then that is shady
indeed.

This company put out Superdrol first. The owner did time for selling DNP to a girl who died. So this
stuff isn't beyond them at all IMO. We'll see.

I thought Anabolic Xtreme put out SD first. Craze is made by Driven Sports.

Also, I've tried Gaspari's Detonate and got the same effect that I get from Craze. It's the Dendrobium that causes the mental boost, not any kind of Angeldust derivative.

[mr.turbo]

They put meth in the product.  It must work pretty good. 

[BB]

I thought Anabolic Xtreme put out SD first. Craze is made by Driven Sports.

Also, I've tried Gaspari's Detonate and got the same effect that I get from Craze. It's the Dendrobium that causes the mental boost, not any kind of Angeldust derivative.

DS = Matt Cahill (Sledge is his well known nom de plume), who was one(if not the first) of the first to import bulk superdrol powder before it was even a known supplement.

[Van_Bilderass]

The Swedish National Lab for Forensic Science just found the same meth analogue in the product.

I knew it was more than a rumor.

http://patrickarnoldblog.com/more-craziness-over-craze/

[dustin]

Haha wow, eh. Designer meth! Awesome... I used to use Jacked and it was awesome, but I knew there was something funky in there.

Bought some DMAA capsules to see if that was in fact the distinguishing ingredient, and it was. Used to take them before cleaning my house, would blast electronic dance music and rip through everything so fast. But after reading the emerging health reports I tossed it in a cupboard and never used it again. Way too sketchy. At least traditional drugs have studies and familiarity. These designer drugs are something we know nothing about. It's crazy how long it takes to catch these things.

[Purge_WTF]

The Swedish National Lab for Forensic Science just found the same meth analogue in the product.

I knew it was more than a rumor.

http://patrickarnoldblog.com/more-craziness-over-craze/

Patrick Arnold is highlighting this bullsh*t. Shocker!

As I mentioned in my Dendrobium rundown thread in the supplement section, I get similar mental boosts from Detonate and Game Day that I get from Craze. Are all of these companies just happening to be spiking their products with the same illegal substance? Doubtful.

[Van_Bilderass]

Patrick Arnold is highlighting this bullsh*t. Shocker!

As I mentioned in my Dendrobium rundown thread in the supplement section, I get similar mental boosts from Detonate and Game Day that I get from Craze. Are all of these companies just happening to be spiking their products with the same illegal substance? Doubtful.

You think two government agencies  got it wrong?
I'm in Sweden and saw this shit on tv yesterday.

I don't know what the other companies put in their
products ... doesn't change anything. At least this product
is tainted.

[Kim Jong Bob]

The swedish companys that sell craze has stopped with it

[oliolioli]

In the blog Patrick Arnold says that the "fake" or dummy compound with the same molecular weight as the meth analog is N-N-diethyl-benzeneethanamine, and it's listed on the label.  However all the labels I've seen online at US retailers has N-N-diethyl-B-phenylethylamine listed, is there a different version with the meth analog for export out of the US and then a "safe" version without the methamphetamine analog for the US market?  Maybe the company is not so stupid after all and intentionally created a safe version for the US to avoid domestic prosecution?

[Van_Bilderass]

The company denies that the compound is in the
product at all, and that the tainted product is a fake.
However, the Swedish retailer ordered it directly from
DS.

I predict DS will blame China and it will be a lie.

[Kim Jong Bob]

Dont know if its is in my mind but i bought craze 2 times with 6 months apart..the first was really good but the second was not

[Cleanest Natural]

Van Bilderass, I am well aware about the muscle profiling cases .. is it a hassle to procure and use gear in Sweden? How about prices?

[nextgen]

Dont know if its is in my mind but i bought craze 2 times with 6 months apart..the first was really good but the second was not

craze has been heavily faked in recent months, you probably spent your money on chinese drywall powder 2nd time around

[Kim Jong Bob]

Van Bilderass, I am well aware about the muscle profiling cases .. is it a hassle to procure and use gear in Sweden? How about prices?

depends where you live ..like gothenburg they are raiding all the time.  Other citys may have no raids at all at the gym