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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #150 on: April 05, 2013, 08:41:15 PM »
WTC 7 was damaged by WTC 1 falling into it, causing structural damage.  Furthermore, it stored 6000 gallons of oil, which was burning.  The structural damage, plus the fact that it burned all day led to it's falling.  HTH.   :)
I guess that explains why it was the first skyscraper in history that due to fire collapsed pancake fashion into it's own footprint resembling a well executed controlled demolition.  WTC 1 never 'FELL' onto WTC 7, it was hit by debris from the building, but it hardly fell on WTC7
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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #151 on: April 05, 2013, 08:44:21 PM »
Well, the 110 stories came down in text book demo fashion. What are the chances that a controlled demolition would be less perfect than a natural collapse?

No they didn't.  They collapsed progressively, which is far from text book demolition.  The towers collapsed from the top down.  Progressive.  That would be the worst way to demo a building.   ::)

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #152 on: April 05, 2013, 08:45:44 PM »
Your government conspirators had no idea what would happen when those jets crashed into those building. What if the buildings fell over like trees in a hurricane and the debris was just laying there with all the demolition charges in place? They would all, ALL be executed for treason and mass murder. Do you think your brilliant goverment would try that?

This thread makes me stupid and I don't need any help being stupid.
I am not an expert on implosion however I would think that taking out the lower columns would be sufficient in tall structures over 50 stories to bring down the whole building pancake style.

"Generally speaking, blasters will explode the major support columns on the lower floors first and then a few upper stories. In a 20-story building, for example, the blasters might blow the columns on the first and second floor, as well as the 12th and 15th floors. In most cases, blowing the support structures on the lower floors is sufficient for collapsing the building, but loading columns on upper floors helps break the building material into smaller pieces as it falls. This makes for easier cleanup following the blast."

http://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/building-implosion.htm

So what makes you think they would have explosives rigged all over the building?

Also it was public knowledge that the towers were designed to withstand the impact of the airplanes flying into them which they did. You are not making a solid argument by trying to guess what the conspirators knew or didn't know.

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #153 on: April 05, 2013, 08:50:57 PM »
I guess that explains why it was the first skyscraper in history that due to fire collapsed pancake fashion into it's own footprint resembling a well executed controlled demolition.  WTC 1 never 'FELL' onto WTC 7, it was hit by debris from the building, but it hardly fell on WTC7

I didn't say fell WTC 1 fell onto WTC 7.  I said it fell into it.  The debris from WTC 1 caused structural damage to WTC 7.  No it was not the first skyscraper to multi layer collapse due to fire and structural damage from WTC 1.  It did not progressively collapse (pancake), it multi layer collapsed.  HTH.

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #154 on: April 05, 2013, 08:53:26 PM »
I guess that explains why it was the first skyscraper in history that due to fire collapsed pancake fashion into it's own footprint resembling a well executed controlled demolition.  WTC 1 never 'FELL' onto WTC 7, it was hit by debris from the building, but it hardly fell on WTC7

Yes sir! You've solved the mystery. Get one of those TV lawyers, prove what you're saying, and sue those guys for trillions.  First round of drinks are on you. Party!
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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #155 on: April 05, 2013, 08:54:08 PM »
No they didn't.  They collapsed progressively, which is far from text book demolition.  The towers collapsed from the top down.  Progressive.  That would be the worst way to demo a building.   ::)
They collapsed completely with minimal parts of the building left standing and no severe damage to structures outside of the WTC complex. Yes, the little structures below were destroyed but no other buildings - except for WTC 7 of course which Silverstein had an insurance policy for lol!

For 110 stories tall buildings that's impressive.

But the real text book implosion occurred with WTC 7.


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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #156 on: April 05, 2013, 08:55:34 PM »

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #157 on: April 05, 2013, 08:57:02 PM »
They collapsed completely with minimal parts of the building left standing and not severe damage to structures outside of the WTC complex. yes, the little structures below were destroyed but no other buildings - except for WTC 7 of course which Silverstein had an insurance policy for lol!

For 110 stories tall buildings that impressive.

But the real text book implosion occurred with WTC 7.




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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #158 on: April 05, 2013, 08:57:19 PM »
They collapsed completely with minimal parts of the building left standing and not severe damage to structures outside of the WTC complex. yes, the little structures below were destroyed but no other buildings - except for WTC 7 of course which Silverstein had an insurance policy for lol!

For 110 stories tall buildings that impressive.

But the real text book implosion occurred with WTC 7.



That's it!!  The golden bullet! Take that video, get a lawyer and sue everybody. You'll be rich by Arbor Day.
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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #159 on: April 05, 2013, 08:58:33 PM »
How hard would it have been for the Muslim world to call bullshit, if it was a conspiracy. You would have heard something to the effect of: "We didn't do that".

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #160 on: April 05, 2013, 09:06:38 PM »
What direction do you want it to collapse...sideways?....up ?  Perhaps in a circle ?

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #161 on: April 05, 2013, 09:11:40 PM »
What direction do you want it to collapse...sideways?....up ?  Perhaps in a circle ?

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #162 on: April 05, 2013, 09:12:20 PM »
How hard would it have been for the Muslim world to call bullshit, if it was a conspiracy. You would have heard something to the effect of: "We didn't do that".
Lol, they are!

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002/02/27/usat-poll.htm

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #163 on: April 05, 2013, 09:13:44 PM »
What direction do you want it to collapse...sideways?....up ?  Perhaps in a circle ?
Down on your mom  ;D

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #164 on: April 05, 2013, 09:16:05 PM »
That's it!!  The golden bullet! Take that video, get a lawyer and sue everybody. You'll be rich by Arbor Day.
Great!!

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #166 on: April 05, 2013, 09:18:14 PM »
There are still millions of people who are laboring under the delusion that "suicidal Arab hijackers" carried out the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center (WTC) and the Pentagon. This dwindling band of laggards are the 21st century equivalent of Second Lieutenant Hiroo Onoda who, until 9 March 1974, did not realise WWII had ended.
 
A Google search for the phrase "for 9/11 truth" demonstrates just how many groups are working to counter the deceptions and injustices: scientists, architects, engineers, scholars, pilots, fire-fighters, medical professionals, etc. More than 1,500 verified architectural and engineering professionals have called for a new investigation and cited evidence of controlled demolitions at all three collapsed WTC steel-framed high-rises: the Twin Towers and WTC7. Dozens of experts, from structural engineers to architects, physicists, mechanical engineers, metallurgical engineering graduates, PhD scientists, fire protection engineers, fire-fighters, electrical design engineers, explosives technicians, etc, may be seen on the ae911truth channel on YouTube, explaining why they know the 9/11 official conspiracy theory is a pack of lies.
 
A plethora of "smoking gun" evidence refuting the bogus claims of fire-induced collapses has been apparent for years. This includes numerous reports of molten steel and molten metal found in the debris pile - some of which was analyzed and found to be abundant in iron.

http://www.takeourworldback.com/911realitydeniers.htm

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #167 on: April 05, 2013, 09:24:16 PM »
do you mean at freefall speed?

the jumpers surely fell faster than the towers, how comes?


How do you know that? Did you see any jumpers fall while the towers collapsed?

Also, when you look at implosions you will notice the buildings start out falling slow as their structural columns give in and then gradually free fall at the speed of gravity. This is because it takes time for the columns and beams to give out and provide zero resistance.

A person jumping out of a building does not have to go through this structural collapse phase. They just fall from the get go. You really can't compare the two. It is physics 101.

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #168 on: April 05, 2013, 09:29:00 PM »
Cheney Admits that He Lied about 9/11
What Else Did He Lie About?


In a documentary soon to appear on Showtime, “The World According to Dick Cheney,” [Cheney said] “I got on the telephone with the president, who was in Florida, and told him not to be at one location where we could both be taken out.” Mr. Cheney kept W. flying aimlessly in the air on 9/11 while he and Lynn left on a helicopter for a secure undisclosed location, leaving Washington in a bleak, scared silence, with no one reassuring the nation in those first terrifying hours.

“I gave the instructions that we’d authorize our pilots to take it out,” he says, referring to the jet headed to Washington that crashed in a Pennsylvania field. He adds: “After I’d given the order, it was pretty quiet. Everybody had heard it, and it was obviously a significant moment.”


When they testified together before the 9/11 Commission, W. and Mr. Cheney kept up a pretense that in a previous call, the president had authorized the vice president to give a shoot-down order if needed. But the commission found “no documentary evidence for this call.”

 In other words, Cheney pretended that Bush had authorized a shoot-down order, but Cheney now admits that he never did. In fact, Cheney acted as if he was the president on 9/11. *

Cheney lied about numerous other facts related to 9/11 as well. For example, Cheney:

Falsely linked Iraq with 9/11 (indeed, the entire torture program was aimed at establishing such a false linkage; and Cheney is the guy who pushed for torture, pressured the Justice Department lawyers to write memos saying torture was legal, and made the pitch to Congress justifying torture. the former director of the CIA said Cheney of overseeing American torture policies)

Falsely claimed that spying on Americans, torture, the Patriot Act, the Afghanistan war, the Iraq war and the “war on terror” were all necessitated by 9/11 … when all of them started or were planned before 9/11

Falsely stated that an attack such as 9/11 was unforeseeable, when Al Qaeda flying planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon was something which American military and intelligence services – and our allies – knew could happen

Falsely pretended that he was out of the loop during the 9/11 attacks

Falsely blamed others for 9/11, when Cheney was in charge of all of America’s counter-terrorism exercises, activities and responses on 9/11. See this Department of State announcement and this CNN article …

… And when Cheney was apparently responsible for letting the Pentagon get hit by an airplane (confirmed here and here)

And was instrumental in squashing a real investigation into 9/11



http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34219.htm

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #169 on: April 05, 2013, 09:31:26 PM »

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #170 on: April 05, 2013, 09:33:32 PM »
the debris also fell faster.

also look this, how did they manage the top to break away like this?




the explosives started going off at the floor where the remote controled plane hit i guess
demo guys did a poor job the top of that building was supposed to fall straight down wasn't it?

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #171 on: April 05, 2013, 09:38:28 PM »
the debris also fell faster.

also look this, how did they manage the top to break away like this?




the explosives started going off at the floor where the remote controled plane hit i guess
I could guess that if the bottom columns were taken out and the building gradually started to collapse because of structural resistance going to zero that this upper part of the building was weakened from the airplane impact and fires. So it started toppling as the building started to come down. Even the Hudson tower demolition had parts of the building topple a little as it imploded

But for me the Twin Towers are not the real red flag. It is WTC 7

Anyway, the towers collapsed in less than 10 seconds and in this video below the debris actually lags behind - the opposite of what you claimed.


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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #172 on: April 05, 2013, 09:43:58 PM »
fuck that video is so stupid,my head is hurting.


What part of it is stupid? We know you are stupid but why is the video stupid? lol!

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #173 on: April 05, 2013, 09:44:59 PM »
demo guys did a poor job the top of that building was supposed to fall straight down wasn't it?
Hey they are gubment guys they are incompetent right?? HAHA

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Re: Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11
« Reply #174 on: April 05, 2013, 09:50:31 PM »
do you mean at freefall speed?

the jumpers surely fell faster than the towers, how comes?


I don't know that the jumpers fall much faster than the building, I am unsure if anyone ever counted the time it took.  But so they should, they didn't have 400,00 tonnes of steel and concrete support structure resisting their fall.
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